Buddhism and Hegel

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"Lo! Death has reared himself a throne
In a strange city lying alone
Far down within the dim West,
Where the good and the bad and the worst and the best
Have gone to their eternal rest.
There shrines and palaces and towers
(Time-eaten towers that tremble not!)
Resemble nothing that is ours.
Around, by lifting winds forgot,
Resignedly beneath the sky
The melancholy waters lie.
No rays from the holy heaven come down
On the long night-time of that town;
But light from out the lurid sea
Streams up the turrets silently-
Gleams up the pinnacles far and free-
Up domes- up spires- up kingly halls-
Up fanes- up Babylon-like walls-
Up shadowy long-forgotten bowers
Of sculptured ivy and stone flowers-
Up many and many a marvellous shrine
Whose wreathed friezes intertwine
The viol, the violet, and the vine.
Resignedly beneath the sky
The melancholy waters lie.
So blend the turrets and shadows there
That all seem pendulous in air,
While from a proud tower in the town
Death looks gigantically down.

There open fanes and gaping graves
Yawn level with the luminous waves;
But not the riches there that lie
In each idol’s diamond eye-
Not the gaily-jewelled dead
Tempt the waters from their bed;
For no ripples curl, alas!
Along that wilderness of glass-
No swellings tell that winds may be
Upon some far-off happier sea-
No heavings hint that winds have been
On seas less hideously serene.

But lo, a stir is in the air!
The wave- there is a movement there!
As if the towers had thrust aside,
In slightly sinking, the dull tide-
As if their tops had feebly given
A void within the filmy Heaven.
The waves have now a redder glow-
The hours are breathing faint and low-
And when, amid no earthly moans,
Down, down that town shall settle hence,
Hell, rising from a thousand thrones,
Shall do it reverence." Edgar Poe, poet
 
I was thinking about meditation in the Buddhist sense… Do they transcend thought in the sense that the feeling of

thinking is absent? Is the feeling of thinking strictly a soul activity, or is it interacting with the body??
 
I was thinking about meditation in the Buddhist sense… Do they transcend thought in the sense that the feeling of

thinking is absent? Is the feeling of thinking strictly a soul activity, or is it interacting with the body??
There are many meditation practices in Buddhism, but I would say meditation involves the absence of thought. It is not that the feeling of thought is absent but that thinking itself is absent, though any feeling of it would also be absent. This is not so easy to accomplish, or it wasn’t for me anyway, when I began practicing meditation years ago. Any feeling of thinking is surely an interaction with the body if it indeed is a feeling. An awareness of this feeling in one’s consciousness would be a hinderance, I would say.

I suppose ‘soul’ could be considered as consciousness, but I don’t think the term is generally used in this context–it really isn’t. It is consciousness that is operative here.
 
When Aquinas talks about “mental phantasms” is he simply referring to images in the imagination? It seems near impossible to think without them, and surely impossible in our present state to think without the feeling of thinking in the brain
 
When Aquinas talks about “mental phantasms” is he simply referring to images in the imagination? It seems near impossible to think without them, and surely impossible in our present state to think without the feeling of thinking in the brain
Yes. In the phantasm of Aquinas, the eye sees an object and there is a medium between object and eye where this sense representation is experienced by the eye as sight. Once the object is gone, the representation remains in the mind, or imagination. Aquinas describes this as a phantasm. The intellect is what makes it able to be understood, or known, and it is also what knows and understands it. Heidegger much more recently delves into this with respect to Being.
 
Reincarnation is strange. If your grandparent die before you are born, how do you know you not him/or her??
 
Reincarnation is strange. If your grandparent die before you are born, how do you know you not him/or her??
Today’s readings include from Genesis:
So the LORD God cast a deep sleep on the man,
and while he was asleep,
he took out one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh.
The LORD God then built up into a woman the rib
that he had taken from the man.
When he brought her to the man, the man said:
"This one, at last, is bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
One point of this being that all humanity stems from one human being,
who was transformed into a “self-other” (two actually),
we might do well to consider each of us,
with all our individual diversity,
as “reincarnations” of oneself.
 
Reincarnation is strange. If your grandparent die before you are born, how do you know you not him/or her??
In Buddhist teaching, or at least in the Vajrahana practice of Tibet, a Buddha, an enlightened one who has attained Nirvana, knows the fullness of all past lives. For others at various stages, this realization can be glimpsed. There are many, many past lives for a human and at every stage of development. This is said to be how a spirituality advanced person knows compassion–been there, done that and understand the suffering of other sentient beings (empathy). The destination for every sentient being is Buddhahood.
 
The Old Catholic Encyclopedia says “Though Free Will is not entirely ignored in Buddhism, it is, at any rate, practically suppressed. According to this system, 'Man acts”, says St-Hilaire, “during the whole of his life under the weight, not precisely of fatality, but of an incalculable series of former existences’ (The Buddha and his Religion, v 126).”

But man can only find freedom from rebirth through one’s free will in Buddhism. The Old Catholic Encyclopedia was written long before interreligious dialogue
 
Is anyone out there still interested in this thread? I’ve been out of town for a couple of months so I haven’t been back -

God bless Annem
 
I gave up reading Hegel’s Phenomenology of Spirit. He kept saying that same thing over and over and over again. He could have written all of what the book says in like 20 pages. Someone on this thread was going to offer arguments against the religions of India, but I don’t think the discussion got under way
 
Stick a knife in your side and you’ll know that the world is not simply ideas, but has true material existence
 
thinkandmull
Stick a knife in your side and you’ll know that the world is not simply ideas, but has true material existence
Hey, somebody responded! I’m so glad!

Yes, every time I stick a knife in my side I do notice that I have a true material existence.

God bless Annem
 
The Old Catholic Encyclopedia says “Though Free Will is not entirely ignored in Buddhism, it is, at any rate, practically suppressed. According to this system, 'Man acts”, says St-Hilaire, “during the whole of his life under the weight, not precisely of fatality, but of an incalculable series of former existences’ (The Buddha and his Religion, v 126).”

But man can only find freedom from rebirth through one’s free will in Buddhism. The Old Catholic Encyclopedia was written long before interreligious dialogue
I’ve thought the verse from Galatians 6:7 that says, “What you sow so shall you reap” sounds quite a bit like Karma. The verse continues this way: “For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.”

I think this could be interpreted in a way that is not so different from Buddhist teaching.
 
Thomas White
I think this could be interpreted in a way that is not so different from Buddhist teaching.
Hi Thomas, I guess it could be interpreted that way, minus the reincarnation.

God bless Annem
 
… Any feeling of thinking is surely an interaction with the body if it indeed is a feeling. An awareness of this feeling in one’s consciousness would be a hinderance, I would say. …
A lot of people evidently don’t and its absence is a hindrance.
 
Why do Eastern religions emphasize consciouness. I recently saw a George Harrison interview in which he speaks of a religious experience. He speaks of the awareness of pure consciousness. Why not beauty or moral good? Why consciousness? Consciousness of what? Consciousness of consciousness?
 
Why do Eastern religions emphasize consciouness. I recently saw a George Harrison interview in which he speaks of a religious experience. He speaks of the awareness of pure consciousness. Why not beauty or moral good? Why consciousness? Consciousness of what? Consciousness of consciousness?
Pure being…existing…awareness. Not conceptual thought with its dualities.
 
Thomas White

Hi Thomas, I guess it could be interpreted that way, minus the reincarnation.

God bless Annem
I would say reincarnation would have to be interpreted differently–maybe as stages of consciousness during one lifetime, or in some fashion. I still think genetic memory is possible.
 
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