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Well, first of all a Christian liberal arts college teaches all the things a secular college would. We are interested in all knowledge–we just try to relate everything to our faith in Christ!
LOL, I understand. There are Buddhist colleges this way too, such as Bukkyo University which has an extension in L.A. and which is a Jodo Shu (Japanese Pure Land) college that offers degrees in many diverse fields.
I have joked that the World Religions class at my college is like the Defense Against the Dark Arts class at Hogwarts (not because I think other religions are Dark Arts, though some of the students may think this!). It keeps getting shuffled around from one professor to another, because we don’t really have a specialist in the field. We have recently hired an Asian historian in the history department, and I had hoped that we might hire someone with expertise in one of the Asian religious traditions. However, the professor we hired is an expert in modern international relations having to do with Southeast Asia. . . .
LOL again. I know you don’t necessarily think other religions are dark arts. But even if you did that is understandable and I wouldn’t take offense. Not that I would agree with that 😛 but I know where the students are coming from. I was a missionary minded Christian who shared Christ with all those who would listen to me before. At one point we considered going to the mission field with Operation Mobilization.
I enjoy teaching the class, although beyond one class in Judaism I really have no academic credentials to teach non-Christian religions. I have, however, done a lot of reading over the years. The past semester was not a success–I enjoyed it and learned a lot, but didn’t do a good job of digesting the material and presenting it to the students in an accessible way. I dumped way too much info on them because I was sorting it out myself. Furthermore, as a historian (of Christianity) I approach the study of religion historically. Most of the people who taught the class before me were theologians or philosophers, and they taught it in a more abstract way than I do. The students generally want to be told “this is what Jews believe” or “this is what Buddhists believe,” and I don’t think it’s that simple. (Hence my questioning of the blanket statement “Buddhists don’t worship Buddha,” because I wanted to be sure that this was reflecting a variety of Buddhist perspectives.) Unfortunately, it’s hard to teach the historical development of four major religious traditions (I focused on Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism, though I touched on Jainism, Sikhism, Confucianism, Daoism, and Shintoism as well!) in one semester without overwhelming the students. . .
Yes, it’s a lot to take in. Once you step out of the traditional Western religions and move into the East there is so much to learn. I had to laugh because as a Christian I would buy these evangelistic books (I can’t remember the author) that were single booklets on everything from Mormonism, JW’s, Satanists, you name it. And I had all of them :o They also had other religions.

As far as a good, simple and excellent scholarly work, I would recommend the book, “What the Buddha Taught” by Walpola Rahula which “notself” has already pointed out. I was so impressed with this book and you will be too.
A further problem, which you can guess, is that many of the students are primarily interested in how to refute other religions or evangelize them–many of the students want to be missionaries. I have no problem with evangelization of non-Christians in principle (though I have huge problems with the way it is often done), but I want the students to be curious about what other people believe because they are people made in God’s image whose ideas and practices are intrinsically worthy of our consideration. That can be a hard sell–but this is true of any of the liberal arts. The number of people getting a “liberal arts” education these days is much greater than the number of people really interested in the liberal arts for their own sake.

Yours truly,

Edwin Tait
Oh yes, I understand.

I have some good materials for my faith that are works by scholars in the field and I would be glad to share them with you should you need them. They are historical and philosophical works that detail not only the Pure Land faith only, but tells of the culture surrounding the advent of the faith in China, Japan and Korea.

Of course, I have no intent to evangelize. I just thought I would offer assistance should you need or desire it. I always seek to work with other religions whenever I can. Although there will always be differences, we can still share peace and friendship. My wish is that we can all live peacefully with each other with mutual appreciation as an ideal.

Peace and blessings to you…

Fa Chan
 
I have some good materials for my faith that are works by scholars in the field and I would be glad to share them with you should you need them. They are historical and philosophical works that detail not only the Pure Land faith only, but tells of the culture surrounding the advent of the faith in China, Japan and Korea.

Fa Chan
Fa Chan,

I would be interested in knowing more about Pure Land. Are there any really good on line sources?

Of course there is Access to Insight for Theravada.

accesstoinsight.org/index.html

This site has an excellent index where you can look up a topic and find a relevant teaching from the Pali Canon.
 
Fa Chan,

I would be interested in knowing more about Pure Land. Are there any really good on line sources?
notself,

I have a website that isn’t extensive, but could be helpful. I created an educational organization for educating Iowans and others about the Pure Land school. There are links and teachings available there, including a link to my blog which has many links also. Most of the links and info on the website are about the Jodo Shu (Japanese) school, such as:

jodo.org

and the Jodo Shu Research Institute (extremely good, scholarly site) in Tokyo here:

jsri.jp/English/Main.html

But there are other links that are extremely helpful for the Chinese school, which I am providing here:

amtbweb.org

amitabha-gallery.org/

These links are related to the Amitabha Retreat Centre in Australia who has Venerable Shi Wu Ling as the resident teacher and who is an American Pure Land nun in the Chinese tradition.

If there is anything else I can offer, please let me know.

Oh, I love the Access to Insight site. I’ve researched that site many times and think it’s probably the most beneficial site on the internet, along with Buddhanet. I would encourage anyone to go there too. Definitely an authoritative site worthy of attention.

Peace and blessings to you…

Fa Chan
 
Hi

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, the PromisedMessiahImamMahdi continues presenting evidences that Jesus came to India from Buddhist/Tibetan historic resources:
alislam.org/library/books…india/ch4.html
Evidence from books on Buddhism

I now mentions the books/characters/references used in this thread by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the Promised Messiah 1835-1908.
This may also be termed as **Bibliography
** of the essay in the thread:

which in Sanskrit means Light.1
called the Master2 in the gospel
See Buddhism by T. W. Rhys Davids3; and Buddhism by Sir Monier Monier Williams4.
ascribed them to the Buddha.5
the teaching of the Buddha6
this doctrine’ (Mahavagga 1.11.1)7.
the birth of both being without father8
I shall be delivered9
it is a Treasure which is the Source of all Knowledge and all Perfection.9
This prophecy is contained in Laggawati Sutatta – a Buddhist record. It is mentioned on page 142 of Oldenberg’s book. The prophecy reads10:
He will be the leader of a band of disciples numbering hundreds of thousands, as I am now the leader of bands of disciples, numbering hundreds.

the word ‘Messiah’. In the book, Tibet, Tartary, Mongolia, by H. T. Prinsep, on page 1411
it was recently translated by a Japanese, G. Takakusu by name, and published by Clarendon Press, Oxford12
Professor Max Muller in The Nineteenth Century13,
on page 419 of Buddhism by Oldenberg14.
Buddhism is the Christianity of the East, and Christianity the Buddhism of the West15.
reality he was born without a father16
Footnotes to Chapter 4
  1. In the Torah there was a promise to the Jews, that if they believed in the ‘last’ prophet they would be given after passing through much suffering, kingship and rulership. That promise was fulfilled by the ten tribes of Israel adopting Islam. That is why there have been great kings among Afghans as well as among Kashmiris.
    There is a letter in the 14th section of the first chapter of the history in Greek of the ‘Creed of Eusebeus’, translated by a Londoner, Heinmer by name, in 1650 A.D., which shows that a king, Abgerus by name, invited Jesus from the land beyond the Euphrates, to his court. The letter sent by Abgerus to Jesus, and the reply to it, are full of much falsehood and exaggeration. This much, however, seems to be true, that the king having been apprised of the cruelties of the Jews invited Jesus to his court to give him a refuge. The king probably believed that he was a true prophet.
  2. Sir M. M. Williams’s Buddhism, page 23.
  3. See Appendix.
  4. Also see Chinese Buddhism by Edkins; Buddha by Oldenberg, translated by W. Hoey; Life of Buddha, translated by Rickhill.
  5. We cannot deny that the Buddhistic Faith, from ancient times, has had considerable moral teaching in it; but at the same time I maintain that that part which is merely the teaching of the gospel – the parables and other reproductions from the Bible – was undoubtedly added to the Buddhistic books at the time Jesus was in this country.
  6. See Appendix.
  7. Buddhism by Sir Monier Monier Williams (John Murray, London, 1889) page 45.
  8. See Appendix.
  9. Sir. M. M. Williams, Buddhism, p. 51.
  10. Dr. Herman Oldenberg, Buddha.
  11. See Appendix.
  12. See pages 169 and 223 Of Tsing’s book (See Appendix).
    13-27. See Appendix.
To be continued.

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Hi

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, the PromisedMessiahImamMahdi continues presenting evidences that Jesus came to India from Buddhist/Tibetan historic resources:
alislam.org/library/books…india/ch4.html
Evidence from books on Buddhism

I now mentions the books/characters/references used in this thread by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, **the Promised Messiah **1835-1908, update later.
This may also be termed as Bibliography
of the essay in the thread:
(Continued from the previous post)

APPENDIX

T. W. Rhys Davids, M.A. Ph.D. Buddhism (Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge, London, 1887).
Buddha’s mother is said to be a virgin. Page 183. His mother was the best and purest of the daughters of men.
Note: At the bottom of page 183, Davids quotes St. Jerome.
St. Jerome says (Contra Sovian bk. I): It is handed down as a tradition among the Gymnososophists of India that Buddha, the founder of their system, was brought forth by a virgin from her side.

The Hibbert Lectures - 1831. Indian Buddhism, by T. W. Rhys Davids, 2nd Edition (the Hibbert Lectures, 1831), (Williams & Norgate, London, 1891).

Page 147. All this is of peculiar interest from the comparative point of view. It is an expression from the Buddhist standpoint which excludes the theory of a supreme deity, of an idea very similar to that which is expressed in civilisation writings, when Christ is represented as the Manifestation of God to man, the Logos, the word of God made flesh, the Bread of Life, and it is not a mere chance that heterodox followers of the two religions have afterwards used the Buddha and the Logos conceptions as bases of their emanation theories.

It is only a fresh instance of the way in which similar ideas in similarly constituted minds come to be modified in very similar ways. The Chakka-Vatti Buddha was to the early Buddhists what the Messiah Logos was to the early Christians. In both cases the two ideas overlap one another, run into one another, supplement one another.

In both cases the two combined cover as nearly the same ground as the different foundations of the two teachings will permit. It is the Chakka-Vatti Buddha circle of ideas in the one case, and the Messiah Logos in the other, that has the principal influence in determining that the opinion of the early Christian biographies of their respective masters was the same, and led to similar results; though the details are in no particular quite identical in the two cases.

**Sir M. M. Williams, Buddhism (John Murray, London 1889) page 135.
**He said of himself (Mahe-vagga 1.6.8.) I am all subduer (Sabbabhibha) the all wise; I have no stains, through myself I possess knowledge; I have no rival (Patipuggalo); I am the chief Arhat - the highest teacher. I alone am the absolutely wise (Sambuddha); I am the conqueror (Jina); all the fires of desire are quenched (Sitibhuto) in me; I have Nirvana (Nibbuto). Page 126. ‘Kill not any living thing. 2. Steal not. 3. Commit not adultery. 4. Lie not. 5. Drink not too strong drink. 6. Eat no food except at stated times. 7. Use no wreaths, ornaments or perfumes. 8. Use no high or broad bed, but only a mat on the ground, 9. Abstain from dancing, singing, music or worldly spectacles. 10. Own no gold or silver of any kind and accept none. (Haha-vagga 1.5.6). This Buddhist Decalogue may be contracted from the Mosaic Decalogue.’

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Hi

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, the PromisedMessiahImamMahdi continues presenting evidences that Jesus came to India from Buddhist/Tibetan historic resources:
alislam.org/library/books…india/ch4.html
Evidence from books on Buddhism

I now mentions the books/characters/references used in this thread by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the Promised Messiah 1835-1908, updated later.
This may also be termed as Bibliography
of the essay in the thread:
(Continued from the previous post)

H. T. Prinsep. Tibet, Tartary and Mongolia.
The earliest travels in Tibet proper which have been transmitted to us, are those of Jesuit Fathers, Grueber and Dorville, who returned from China by that route in A.D. 1661, just four hundred years after Marco Polo’s journey westward. They were the first Christians of Europe who are known to have penetrated into the populous parts of Tibet, for Marco Polo’s journey was, as we have stated, to the north west by the sources of Oxus. Father Grueber was much struck with the extraordinary similitude he found, as well in the doctrine as in the rituals of Buddhists of Lassa to those of his own Romish Faith. He noticed, 1st: that the dress of Lamas corresponded with that handed down to us in ancient paintings, as the dress of the Apostles. 2nd: that the discipline of monasteries and of the different orders of Lamas or priests bore the same resemblance to that of the Romish Church. 3rd: that the notion of an incarnation was common to both, as also the belief in paradise and purgatory. 4th: he remarked that they made suffrages, alms, prayers and sacrifices for the dead, like the Roman Catholics. 5th: that they had convents, filled with monks and friars to the number of 30,000, near Lassa. who all made their vows of poverty, obedience and chastity, like Roman monks, besides other vows. And 6th: they had confessors, licensed by the superior Lamas or bishops; and so empowered to receive confessions and to impose penances, and give absolution. Besides all this, there was found the practice of using holy water, of singing service in alternation, of praying for the dead, and a perfect similarity in the costumes of the great and the superior Lamas to those of different orders of Romish hierarchy. These early missionaries further were led to conclude from what they saw and heard, that the ancient books of the Lamas contained traces of the Christian religion, which must, they thought, have been preached in Tibet in the time of Apostles. (Pages 12-14).
Then concerning the advent of a Saviour, the author H. T. Prinsep writes in the same book (Tibet, Tartary and Mongolia) on page 171:
The general expectation of the birth of a great prophet, Redeemer or Saviour, which is alluded to even by Tacitus, as prevailing at the period when the founder of the Christian religion appeared, was, there can be no doubt, of Buddhist origin, and not all confined to the Jews, or based only on the prophecies of their scriptures.
As a foot note on page 171 the author further wrote:
The advent of another Boodh a thousand years after Gotama or Sakhya Muni, is distinctly prophesied in the Pitakattayan and Atha-Katha. Gotama declares himself to be the twenty-fifth Boodh, and says, 'Bagawa Metteyo is yet to come. The name Metteyo bears an extraordinary resemblance to Messiah.
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I have contentment and I have joy.🙂

Just wondering what the name of that Parocial School you went to? If is the best in Nation what went wrong? They didn’t happen to have you read Thomas Merton did they?
What’s wrong with reading Thomas Merton? I have read several of his books and they have inspired me and helped me to further deepen my faith. Please explain your concerns.

Thanks,

Bucky
 
This is a very interesting thread!

May I ask how Buddhists believe the world was created since they do not believe in a Supreme Creator? What about Darwinism?

Also, how would a Buddhist know for sure what actions are negative and would not help him or her reach nirvana? For example, do Buddhists see abortion as a “bad” action?
 
This is a very interesting thread!

May I ask how Buddhists believe the world was created since they do not believe in a Supreme Creator? What about Darwinism?

Also, how would a Buddhist know for sure what actions are negative and would not help him or her reach nirvana? For example, do Buddhists see abortion as a “bad” action?
Let me say that I practice Theravada Buddhism and am speaking from that tradition.

Buddhists don’t care how the universe came to be or whether existence always existed. The Buddha taught that there is stress and the way to overcome stress.

Evolution makes sense to Buddhists. Buddhists are comfortable with science since we are instructed not to just believe something because we are told, but to think about it and test it for ourselves.

All Buddhists follow 5 Precepts although monks and nuns follow more, these five are the key precepts.

I undertake the precept to refrain from killing living creatures.
I undertake the precept to refrain from taking what is not freely given.
I undertake the precept to refrain from sexual misconduct.
I undertake the precept to refrain from incorrect speech.
I undertake the precept to refrain from intoxicating drinks and drugs which lead to carelessness.

Abortion would fall under the first precept. Buddhists are Pro-Life.

In a recent poll on a Buddhist forum, the precept that people found the most difficult to keep was the precept to refrain from incorrect speech. It certainly is the one I have most difficulty with. :rolleyes: The standard is a high one.😉
 
Let me say that I practice Theravada Buddhism and am speaking from that tradition.

Buddhists don’t care how the universe came to be or whether existence always existed. The Buddha taught that there is stress and the way to overcome stress.

Evolution makes sense to Buddhists. Buddhists are comfortable with science since we are instructed not to just believe something because we are told, but to think about it and test it for ourselves.

All Buddhists follow 5 Precepts although monks and nuns follow more, these five are the key precepts.

I undertake the precept to refrain from killing living creatures.
I undertake the precept to refrain from taking what is not freely given.
I undertake the precept to refrain from sexual misconduct.
I undertake the precept to refrain from incorrect speech.
I undertake the precept to refrain from intoxicating drinks and drugs which lead to carelessness.

Abortion would fall under the first precept. Buddhists are Pro-Life.

In a recent poll on a Buddhist forum, the precept that people found the most difficult to keep was the precept to refrain from incorrect speech. It certainly is the one I have most difficulty with. :rolleyes: The standard is a high one.😉
That would be the most difficult for me, too! :o

So, just out of curiosity, why is it easier for you to believe that there isn’t a Supreme Creator? I just look around and can’t imagine this planet becoming what it is (with all its beauty and individuality) all by itself!

Also, how do you believe miracles (things science can’t explain) happen, if no God exists to make them happen? And do you believe evil forces exist (similar to the Christian definition of demons)?
 
I think it is just as easy to believe that existence always was, just as it is easy for you to think that God always was. If you want to think of existence itself as God, I could go along with that.

What I could not go along with is a God that needed to be worshipped. That never made sense to me.

As for how beautiful everything is, that is only because our esthetic sense developed based on our surroundings. If we developed on the Moon, we would consider that environment beautiful.

I find that the processes of science to be beautiful but since existence contains and is part of these processes, the beauty is just part of that existence.

Miracles. Well, a great many of them can be explained by understanding the mind and how it works. Recently scientist produced Near Death Experiences (NED) in the laboratory.

A well focused mind in meditation can produce states of transcendent joy and peace. These states are called jhanas. I think that some people could misinterpret these states to be from a divine being. The thing about miracles is they never happen in a controlled environment. Meditators have been hooked up to MRI’s and CAT scans and jhana states have been observed.

Science is just beginning to explore the workings of the brain and no scientists can really explain the mind. Just because science cannot explain something does not mean that it never will. I think people greatly underestimate the power of their own minds.
 
Our local Catholic Priest in the next parish is Buddhist. Our Bishop does not have a problem with it. He is respected all over for being a very traditionalist Catholic Priest, devotion to the Blessed Sacrament, Zen Buddhist and I can tell you: an inspiration to all who meet him.

His homilies are incredible. He brings in a Zen theme and one never fails to be absolutely awestruck by the profound mysteries of Christ which he unravels and explains in laymans terms.

He is a great one to preach Christ and His forgiveness: in the words of St Augustine [is is often heard to say]: LOVE AND DO WHAT YOU WILL 🙂
 
Our local Catholic Priest in the next parish is Buddhist. Our Bishop does not have a problem with it. He is respected all over for being a very traditionalist Catholic Priest, devotion to the Blessed Sacrament, Zen Buddhist and I can tell you: an inspiration to all who meet him.

His homilies are incredible. He brings in a Zen theme and one never fails to be absolutely awestruck by the profound mysteries of Christ which he unravels and explains in laymans terms.

He is a great one to preach Christ and His forgiveness: in the words of St Augustine [is is often heard to say]: LOVE AND DO WHAT YOU WILL 🙂
Reincarnation and Christianity are incompatible, so how does that work?? :confused:
 
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