Bus Driver Refuses To Drive Atheist Bus!

[Sam_777]

for that bus driver.

 

[Sam_777]

This man is a good man. This bus company is not a good bus company – they were kind to the man, but they still offend God by putting up such advertising.

They try to disclaim responsibility for the content of their advertising. That does not fly. You are responsible for the content of what you put on your busses, you get to choose which advertisements you accept and reject.

Prayers and kudos to this upstanding man!

** Shin**.

:hug1:

 

[zerinus]

I think you are wrong here. Jesus said:
Matthew 10:32-33

** 32Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. **
** 33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.**

If I were that man, I also would refuse to drive those buses. Better to lose some money than to lose my soul.

Matthew 16:26
**For what is a ****man ****profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or ****what shall a **man give in exchange for his soul?

Sincerely,

De Maria

This man is a good man. This bus company is not a good bus company – they were kind to the man, but they still offend God by putting up such advertising.

They try to disclaim responsibility for the content of their advertising. That does not fly. You are responsible for the content of what you put on your busses, you get to choose which advertisements you accept and reject.

Prayers and kudos to this upstanding man!

for that bus driver.

I agree with the above posts. But focusing away from the driver to the actual message for a moment, I think it begins to become more interesting. The advert is by an atheist organization, but the message is an agnostic one! The atheists believe that there is no God. The advert says “There’s probably no God”! That is an odd message from an atheist. Aren’t they sure then? If they aren’t sure, aren’t they taking a bit of a risk, saying “Stop worrying, and enjoy life”? I would want to be pretty darn sure, before taking such an advice!

Why do you think they have expressed their message in that way? Do you think they were afraid of something?

And what do you think that says about atheism vs. agnosticism? Do you think they are basically the same thing?

What are your thoughts?

zerinus

 

[AnthonyM2]

If you honestly think that an ad that reads “enjoy your life” is in any way endorsing murder, then that says a lot more about you than it does about any “philosophy.”

I’m just saying, the ad does not specify, does it? Enjoying life without God can be defined many different ways by different people. That’s all.

 

[MegaTherion]

I’m just saying, the ad does not specify, does it? Enjoying life without God can be defined many different ways by different people. That’s all.

Enjoying your life with God can be defined in many ways, too – witness the polygamist sects, wild religious cults, and people who’ve committed murder in the name of their religion.

I think it’s fair to say that the phrase presumes that an individual “enjoying” life will be sane and law-abiding. I mean, when I say, “have a nice day,” I certainly don’t intend the other party to go out and kill – nor do I approve of it – regarless of how “nice day” can be defined.

 

[MegaTherion]

Why do you think they have expressed their message in that way? Do you think they were afraid of something?

And what do you think that says about atheism vs. agnosticism? Do you think they are basically the same thing?

What are your thoughts?

As an atheist, I can tell you that under the definitions used by most modern atheists, atheism and agnosticism are compatible.

Agnosticism and gnosticism deal with what you know.

Atheism and theism deal with what you believe.

So if you claim not to know whether there is a god (or gods) and do not have a belief in any of them, you would be an agnostic atheist.

Human knowledge doesn’t consist of certainty. It might be impossible to know anything 100% for sure, so we generally have to deal in what is likely to be true. Since I have never heard a god claim (for any god or any religion) that is supported by evidence (independently verifiable and confirmable – the same kind we use to discover anything that exists outside of our minds), I do not have a belief in any gods.

I don’t claim to know this for a fact or to be 100% certain, just like I don’t know for a fact that the Hindu gods don’t exist or that leprechauns don’t exist.

But I feel confident in saying that there’s probably no Hindu gods, probably no leprechauns, and…probably no [insert your god here] either.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Why do you think they have expressed their message in that way? Do you think they were afraid of something?

And what do you think that says about atheism vs. agnosticism? Do you think they are basically the same thing?

What are your thoughts?

zerinus

zerinus, “there is no God” is an unprovable statement. To get around the fact that you can’t prove a negative, they used the word probably.

I agree it comes across as lacking in conviction. But then, atheism has no set belief (or disbelief) that any one person must have convictions of, or to. As a group, “probably” is probably the best that they could do.

 

[De_Maria]

Again, though, this ad doesn’t specify any god - it’s denying the entire concept of deity.

Thereby denying God.

I guess the bus driver could be worried that by driving the bus, he could be held as holding the opinion of the ad,

Not only that, but in driving the message throughout the town, in spreading an anti-Christian message. He would involuntarily be spreading a message against his faith. Essentially becoming a pawn of Satan.

but me personally, I’d call that excess scrupulosity.

I can’t argue with personal opinion. I am however of the opposite opinion. I believe the person who would submit to spreading this advertisement is going against the teaching of the Catholic Church. We have very recently been warned that we aren’t just Christians in Church. We must uphold our faith in every aspect of our lives.

As for me and my family, we will follow the Lord. I would also refuse to drive that bus UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

Sincerely,

De Maria

 

[De_Maria]

If you honestly think that an ad that reads “enjoy your life” is in any way endorsing murder, then that says a lot more about you than it does about any “philosophy.”

So you think that an ad that endorses atheism is somehow endorsing our faith in Christ? Or what are you talking about?

 

[De_Maria]

Enjoying your life with God can be defined in many ways, too – witness the polygamist sects, wild religious cults, and people who’ve committed murder in the name of their religion.

I think it’s fair to say that the phrase presumes that an individual “enjoying” life will be sane and law-abiding. I mean, when I say, “have a nice day,” I certainly don’t intend the other party to go out and kill – nor do I approve of it – regarless of how “nice day” can be defined.

Is this in any way related to an ad that says that God probably does not exist? How?

 

[RebeccaJ]

To deny God, don’t you have to have first Faith? A knowledge of the Truth? I think it is an error in judgment to lump all atheists as people who once had Faith and now deny God. Perhaps there are many atheists who deny the god they were taught to believe in, and perhaps that god is indeed a false god.

The driver though, I can see how he would not want to drive around all day with a slogan that denies his Faith.

 

[MegaTherion]

Is this in any way related to an ad that says that God probably does not exist? How?

I was responding to AnthonyM2’s assertion that murder would be “fine” with this ad’s philosophy (presumably he means atheism).

I was pointing out that he’s wrong. My correction of AnthonyM2’s point has little to do with the ad on the bus, but only because his point had little to do with ad on the bus to begin with.

Edit:

RebeccaJ:

To deny God, don’t you have to have first Faith? A knowledge of the Truth?

No, you do not. Atheism isn’t a position of faith. It is a lack of belief based on the lack of evidence for any god (including yours).

I find there is insufficient evidence to justify a belief in any god – I don’t claim to know this or to have faith in this. It’s exactly the same as my perception that there is insufficient evidence to justify a belief in the Hindu gods or Bigfoot.

 

[De_Maria]

Well, that wasn’t very nice of the bus driver… they’re just atheists.

Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood

I don’t see the irony which you presume is there.

Perhaps you are missing the big picture. It is neither about being nice nor about atheists. The bus driver chose a course of action to protect his own soul. It is about his soul and those who might be negatively affected by the ad. The man is safeguarding his soul by not doing anything which can be perceived as anti-Christian.

 

[De_Maria]

I agree with the above posts. But focusing away from the driver to the actual message for a moment, I think it begins to become more interesting. The advert is by an atheist organization, but the message is an agnostic one! The atheists believe that there is no God. The advert says “There’s probably no God”! That is an odd message from an atheist. Aren’t they sure then? If they aren’t sure, aren’t they taking a bit of a risk, saying “Stop worrying, and enjoy life”? I would want to be pretty darn sure, before taking such an advice!

Why do you think they have expressed their message in that way?

To tap into the doubts of believers and into the agnostic segment of the population.

Do you think they were afraid of something?

Backlash. They know they can’t prove the absolute statement that God doesn’t exist.

And what do you think that says about atheism vs. agnosticism? Do you think they are basically the same thing?

Yes.

What are your thoughts?

The ad is against our faith whether it is an absolute statement or a statement of probablity. Therefore we should not uphold it in any way shape or form.

Christian drivers should refuse to drive it and Chrisitan riders should ride it. Let your dollars do the talking and soon those ads will disappear all together.

Sincerely,

De Maria

 

[grampben]

Let your dollars do the talking and soon those ads will disappear all together.

Sincerely,

De Maria

We use the pound in the UK.
If christians are allowed to advertise, atheists can too. When people look at an ad on the side of a bus, they don’t immediately think of the bus driver.

 

[RebeccaJ]

No, you do not. Atheism isn’t a position of faith. It is a lack of belief based on the lack of evidence for any god (including yours).

Hi, I was an atheist for many years myself. I know what an atheist is.

I find there is insufficient evidence to justify a belief in any god – I don’t claim to know this or to have faith in this. It’s exactly the same as my perception that there is insufficient evidence to justify a belief in the Hindu gods or Bigfoot.

Yes, I understand this view, as I had it once.

Problem is, you have to hold certain assumptions to come to this conclusion. I found the assumptions to be problematic, and illogical.

But I know that many atheists believe the position is solid. I am not here to convince you or any other atheist otherwise.

 

[De_Maria]

We use the pound in the UK.
If christians are allowed to advertise, atheists can too. When people look at an ad on the side of a bus, they don’t immediately think of the bus driver.

You speak for all the people?

 

[grampben]

You speak for all the people?

Well I don’t know how different the culture is across the pond, but when I see an ad for a new chanel fragrance, I don’t automatically wonder if the bus driver wears it, and I highly doubt most people would.

 

[ibkc]

You speak for all the people?

Do you automatically assume that the driver of a bus has anything at all to do with what ads are on the bus? If so, why do you do that? The ads are sold and placed by people working for the bus company who are specifically hired to do that job. Bus drivers are hired to drive the buses. Holding a bus driver responsible for what is on the bus he’s driving that day is beyond irrational.

 

[De_Maria]

Well I don’t know how different the culture is across the pond, but when I see an ad for a new chanel fragrance, I don’t automatically wonder if the bus driver wears it, and I highly doubt most people would.

But that is your own personal and unsupported opinion. Thanks.

And when you see an ad for the Bible on a Bus, do you consider its implications for your life? Do you think an ad for the Bible on a bus or a billboard might make a difference in your life?

And do you think that the people who spend money for these ads believe that they make a difference in people’s lives? Or why do you believe they spend this money? For funsies?

As for me, I think these people have studied whether these ads have effects on people’s behaviour and they are banking on affecting the lives of many. Otherwise, I don’t think they would be spending their money in that manner.