Bush signs increase to Planned Parenthood funding

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:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: I will not comment at the moment for fear of what I may say:mad:
 
In the tradition of Lisa4Catholics, my reply:

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I’m extremely skeptical of the source. It is extremely anti-Bush and in spots anti-Democracy. There are some off the wall articles. Provide another source to verify.
 
Title X is one of two major federal government funding sources for Planned Parenthood Federation of America, the nation’s largest chain of abortion centers (murdering over 244,000 unborn human beings per year by surgical abortion alone).
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The above paragraph is deceitful. It makes it sound like President Bush is signing legislation to fund abortions. Title X does a great more than fund Planned Parenthood, and none of the funds appropriated under this title shall be used in programs where abortion is a method of family planning.

The Office of Population Affairs does have several troubling aspects, but it does a great deal of good and does not fund abortions.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
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mlchance:
The above paragraph is deceitful. It makes it sound like President Bush is signing legislation to fund abortions. Title X does a great more than fund Planned Parenthood, and none of the funds appropriated under this title shall be used in programs where abortion is a method of family planning.

The Office of Population Affairs does have several troubling aspects, but it does a great deal of good and does not fund abortions.
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Thanks, Mark.

I ammend my reply to :hmmm: .
 
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mlchance:
The above paragraph is deceitful. It makes it sound like President Bush is signing legislation to fund abortions. Title X does a great more than fund Planned Parenthood, and none of the funds appropriated under this title shall be used in programs where abortion is a method of family planning.

The Office of Population Affairs does have several troubling aspects, but it does a great deal of good and does not fund abortions.

– Mark L. Chance.
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Thankyou as well Mark,it appears another brilliant scheme to divide and cause divisions.:nope:
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
Thankyou as well Mark,it appears another brilliant scheme to divide and cause divisions.
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Not necessarily a scheme. It could be an honest mistake. I mean, I had to invest something on the order of 10 whole minutes to research whether Title X funds can be used to pay for abortions. Not everyone can be expected to show this level of dedication, especially in our new era of “fake but accurate” reporting about President Bush.

It is also worth nothing that, if you go to covenantnews.com/lefemine050208.htm and scroll down to see the text of H.R. 4818, this particular piece of legislation is a consolidated appropriations act. Without a line item veto, President Bush could not refuse funding to Title X without at the same time refusing funding to several other programs.

And let’s not forget that even if President Bush had refused to sign H. R. 4818, there were sufficient votes in Congress to override his veto.

But, despite all of these facts, President Bush is signing legislation to fund abortions.

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– Mark L. Chance.
 
i can’t believe the loyalty people have to bush and the republican party on this web site. they believe that he can do no wrong. makes me sick…

first off, while title X does fund number of preventive health services, it also “***is designed to provide access to contraceptive supplies and information to all who want and need them with priority given to low-income persons.” ***
further, bush has increased the budget on title x from $245 million in FY01 to $288 million in FY05 -an increase in 43 million dollars!!! the bottom line is more of our tax money is going to be spent on contraception - a mortal sin - which will further the culture of death by encouraging the separation of sex from its procreative and unitive function and indirectly cause abortions.
 
oat soda:
i can’t believe the loyalty people have to bush and the republican party on this web site. they believe that he can do no wrong. makes me sick…

first off, while title X does fund number of preventive health services, it also “***is designed to provide access to contraceptive supplies and information to all who want and need them with priority given to low-income persons.” ***

further, bush has increased the budget on title x from $245 million in FY01 to $288 million in FY05 -an increase in 43 million dollars!!! the bottom line is more of our tax money is going to be spent on contraception - a mortal sin - which will further the culture of death by encouraging the separation of sex from its procreative and unitive function and indirectly cause abortions.
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Hey, I don’t like it one bit, but government is far from a cut-n-dry clean business. It sucks, actually.
 
oat soda:
i can’t believe the loyalty people have to bush and the republican party on this web site. they believe that he can do no wrong. makes me sick…
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Real quick: Quote anyone here who has said President Bush and/or the Republic Party can do no wrong. Seriously. I want a direct quote, including link.

I only insist on this because the only time I ever read anyone noting that President Bush and/or the Republicans can do no wrong is when the claim is used as part of an ad hominem attack against President Bush and/or Republicans.
oat soda:
first off, while title X does fund number of preventive health services, it also “***is designed to provide access to contraceptive supplies and information to all who want and need them with priority given to low-income persons.” ***
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No one has denied this. In fact, I admit that Title X has morally troubling aspects. But it is interesting that now you’ve gone from President-Bush-funds-abortions innuendos to Title-X-funds-many-services-some-of-which-are-bad.
oat soda:
further, bush has increased the budget on title x from $245 million in FY01 to $288 million in FY05 -an increase in 43 million dollars!!! the bottom line is more of our tax money is going to be spent on contraception - a mortal sin - which will further the culture of death by encouraging the separation of sex from its procreative and unitive function and indirectly cause abortions.
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And more of our tax money is going to be spent on pelvic exams and Pap tests for early detection of cervical cancer; breast exams and instruction on breast self-examination; testing for high blood pressure, anemia, and diabetes; screening and appropriate treatment for sexually transmitted infections; and basic infertility screening.

It’s also interesting that it’s all President Bush’s fault despite the fact that:
  1. Not all Title X funds (or even the majority of those funds) are used for contraceptive services.
  2. No Title X funds are used to pay for abortions (contrary to the implication of the original post).
  3. H. R. 4818 is a consolidated appropriations act which funds a great deal more than just Title X.
  4. President Bush couldn’t veto the Title X funding without simultaneously vetoing all of the other funding provisions in H. R. 4818.
  5. Even if President Bush had vetoed H. R. 4818, it would have still passed into law since Congress had sufficient votes to override a presidential veto.
– Mark L. Chance.
 
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mlchance:
Real quick: Quote anyone here who has said President Bush and/or the Republic Party can do no wrong. Seriously. I want a direct quote, including link.
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I doubt that anyone has made such a direct statement, but there have been inferences that might make one come to such a conclusion. As an example, consider the numerous posts that have challenged the notion that George Bush has ever lied.
 
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Richardols:
I doubt that anyone has made such a direct statement, but there have been inferences that might make one come to such a conclusion. As an example, consider the numerous posts that have challenged the notion that George Bush has ever lied.
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Shame there has never been any clear concise evidence to the fact. Now, if you were to proclaim that Bush made statements that were found later to be inaccurate or false, then you would have no argument. But just because someone makes statements that are found later to be inaccurate/false does not mean they were lying. It just means they were wrong.
 
Real quick: Quote anyone here who has said President Bush and/or the Republic Party can do no wrong. Seriously. I want a direct quote, including link.
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i think republican catholics are hypocritical. they can spot all things wrong with the left but when their boys contradict the teachings of the church, they turn their head or make excuses like you do.

good examples are deal hudson crisis magazine and the natl cath register. they always show the republicans in a positive light and dismiss the cries from the vatican for peace in the iraq war which they considered unjust. just recently, the republican party is recieving support from the porn-industry at a GOP convention.

what republicans are devolving into are fiscal conservatives that are liberal in morals. good examples are: patacki, mccain, schwartzenegger, giuliani, whitman, cheney, …etc.
No one has denied this. In fact, I admit that Title X has morally troubling aspects. But it is interesting that now you’ve gone from President-Bush-funds-abortions innuendos to Title-X-funds-many-services-some-of-which-are-bad.
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i never said anything about abortions. why don’t you read more carefully. but actually, contraception -the pill -causes untold abortions.
if you admit that title X is intrinsically evil, then why are you getting so defenisive about bush? the fact is he did sign it which means he approves more money being spent on contraception. he could have vetoed the bill and at least saved face with traditional conservatives.

i think it’s extremely important to point out all of these evils so that the catholic voter will be more informed and so that we can demand more from our politicians.
 
oat soda:
i never said anything about abortions. why don’t you read more carefully. but actually, contraception -the pill -causes untold abortions.
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Why don’t you read your opening quote. You will notice that the quote says that PP gets money, and then describes PP as the largest abortion provider. Which individually is true, but when put together in the quote makes it look like the funding is available for abortions, when it is not. You know what it looks like, but you apparently don’t care. I suppose you could have admitted that it could have been much worse, and them lambasted them for providing contraception, which you did not get any arguement about. Has Bush ever made any statements about contraception? Has he ever even noted that the pill is abortifacent? As he is protestant, I doubt his view coincides with Catholocism on this, which is indeed a shame.

We do need to hold our reps to a higher standard, especially the Catholic ones. And maybe you should first be lambasting each and every Congressman for this first, democrat and republican. They created this, right?
 
oat soda,

WE…LIVE…IN…THE…WORLD. It is not perfect. It is against us.

AND, given the rough and tumble world of domestic politics and national security, if we want to move the ball in a Catholic direction, we must at times certainly take an emphatic stand, and sometimes we have to meet the world where it’s at and get 3/4 of a loaf instead of the whole.

I am Catholic. I am faithful. I am pro-life. I am pro-freedom. I am pro-dignity-of-every-human-person. I have a lukewarm respect for the death penalty and after initial angst, a wholehearted supporter of Iraq War policy, despite the obvious negative aspects of war.

I realize that bringing the world to a pro-life, pro-human-dignity, peaceful reality isn’t going to happen without quite a bit of pragmatism thrown in with my idealism.
 
I was glad to hear that President Bush did not give money to Planned Parenthood to support abortions. Unfortunately, after I read the link provided, I zipped out an e-mail to both President Bush, Senator Frist, the Tennessee Right to Life President, and my local senator, Senator Finney. I was not too nice and told them that if what that article said was true, I have been let down by the party I supported because of its stand on abortion, euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research, human cloning, and marriage. It seems to me, and I may be wrong, that Oat Soda is actively trying to discredit the Republican Party, especially President Bush and is applying relativism to voting – as clearly the leaders of the Church spoke out regarding electing and supporting people who would contribute to these specific evils.

Catholics should be principled, not partisan – Catholic FIRST and everything else secondary when voting.

Bob
 
Glad I read the rest of these posts before I shot that email off. All I had to do was hit send. WHEW Thx mlchance.
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mlchance:
The above paragraph is deceitful. It makes it sound like President Bush is signing legislation to fund abortions. Title X does a great more than fund Planned Parenthood, and none of the funds appropriated under this title shall be used in programs where abortion is a method of family planning.

The Office of Population Affairs does have several troubling aspects, but it does a great deal of good and does not fund abortions.

– Mark L. Chance.
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