Bush: The First Catholic President?

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BamaRider said:
C’mon Ivan, don’t ya think you’re being a little hard on the lady?

M’am I know you and your folks don’t want a genocide, I’m sure your dad didn’t mean it literally.
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You are absolutly correct, I was much to rude.

I apologize to the poster I was a prick to

And thank you BamaRider for your correction which was much more civil than my rudeness deserved
 
Okay, I STRONGLY disagree with the idea that JFK wasn’t the first Catholic President.

Since when does Moral failings make someone not Catholic? Heck there were Popes that had JFK’s moral failings. And who knows where JFK was at during the end of his life to.

I could be wrong, but I don’t recall JFK publically taking stands against the Church’s moral teachings…(One of his appointees made the brilliant dissent against Roe v Wade) So JFK was the first Catholic President. Period. So he wasn’t perfect, nobody here knows President Bush’s private life either.
 
bekalc said:
Okay, I STRONGLY disagree with the idea that JFK wasn’t the first Catholic President.

Since when does Moral failings make someone not Catholic? Heck there were Popes that had JFK’s moral failings. And who knows where JFK was at during the end of his life to.

I could be wrong, but I don’t recall JFK publically taking stands against the Church’s moral teachings…(One of his appointees made the brilliant dissent against Roe v Wade) So JFK was the first Catholic President. Period. So he wasn’t perfect, nobody here knows President Bush’s private life either.
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Well said, bekalc.
 
bcuster said:
I may be mistaken, but I think the President’s brother Jeb Bush is Catholic–the Governor of Florida. It doesn’t surprize me that George would read a book by the Holy Father.
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But… he didn’t finish reading it, he even said so. Yes, Jeb converted when he married his Catholic wife.
 
goofyjim said:
All this is speculation. He is not Catholic. He just agres with alot of Catholci principles.
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And does a lot of things that are contrary to Catholic principles too. I said to someone rather light-heartedly that it’s too bad he’s not a Catholic because then the pope could rightfully admonish him for going against many of those Catholic principles.
 
rosebudsal said:
And does a lot of things that are contrary to Catholic principles too. I said to someone rather light-heartedly that it’s too bad he’s not a Catholic because then the pope could rightfully admonish him for going against many of those Catholic principles.
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Yeah, but first I’d like to see him call all those openly Catholic politicians (whose names shall go unmentioned) who support abortion rights, who have sponsored and openly professed the slaughter of MILLIONS of unborns through unfettered abortion to find out what’s goin on with them.
 
rosebudsal said:
But… he didn’t finish reading it, he even said so. Yes, Jeb converted when he married his Catholic wife.
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Most Catholics have not read the Pope’s book. The Pope is brilliant and I would not hold it against Mr Bush if he did not read it. BUT, I would hold it against any Catholic who is more anti-catholic and refuses to see the beauty of the Spirit working through this Holy Pope.
 
Shoshana said:
Most Catholics have not read the Pope’s book. The Pope is brilliant and I would not hold it against Mr Bush if he did not read it. BUT, I would hold it against any Catholic who is more anti-catholic and refuses to see the beauty of the Spirit working through this Holy Pope.
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I am i no way antiCatholic. I am Catholic but have not read the book and probably won’t because I don’t have enough time. Does this make me less of a Catholic?
 
goofyjim said:
I am i no way antiCatholic. I am Catholic but have not read the book and probably won’t because I don’t have enough time. Does this make me less of a Catholic?
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i wasn’t speaking of anyone on this thread. If you have time to be on the internet, you have time to read.🙂 But not reading does not make you any less catholic.
 
Jimbo put this out-
I am i no way antiCatholic. I am Catholic but have not read the book and probably won’t because I don’t have enough time. Does this make me less of a Catholic?
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So Shoshana responded with-
i wasn’t speaking of anyone on this thread. If you have time to be on the internet, you have time to read.
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Well I reckon she told us, I’ve not read it, but I’m goin to the bookstore soon. :o
 
SoCalRC posted an older article in another thread that gives some credence to the assertions of the author:
insidethevatican.com/newsflash/2007/newsflash-jun10-07.htm%between%
The Vatican Secretary of State’s comments reflect the major themes in the relationship between the Bush administration and the Holy See during Bush’s six and a half years at the White House and with two different pontiffs. **Speaking in general terms, there has been agreement and collaboration to an unprecedented level for a U.S. president and the Pope of Rome, **but only on particular issues. On the other hand, the relationship has been marked by persistent tension because of the decision to go to war in Iraq, which the Vatican took many steps to prevent through diplomatic initiatives, as well as on the role and supremacy of international law. On the fight against terrorism in general, both John Paul II and Benedict XVI often lent their support in speeches condemning this “modern scourge,” as John Paul described it, but in large terms.
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In addition to life and family issues, there were grounds for agreement on some of Bush’s immigration initiatives, praised by the U.S. bishops’ council, and on the collaboration between Church and state in charitable activities, which President Bush termed the Faith-Based Initiative. On Saturday, Bush highlighted his accomplishments regarding humanitarian aid through faith based organizations and programs (such as the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, or PEPFAR) in both his meeting with Benedict and in his meeting with the Community of Sant’Egidio, who run a successful AIDS treatment program in Africa.
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It is an irony not likely to be lost on Bush, who, as an ecumenically-minded “born again” Christian, sought out and surrounded himself with Catholic strategists like Deal Hudson, Catholic thinkers like Fr. Richard John Neuhaus, and Catholic staff like Jim Towey (former director of the White House Office of Faith Based and Community Initiatives). **Bush also expressed a level of affection for the Holy Father and the Catholic Church uncommon for a U.S. president in a country with a historic bias against “papists.” **At his last meeting with John Paul II in 2004, Bush presented the pontiff with the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest honor awarded to a civilian, for his role in the defeat of communism and the spread of freedom internationally.

Since the establishment of full diplomatic relations between the Holy See and the United States in 1984 under the pontificate of John Paul II and the administration of President Ronald Reagan – as much a symbol of the final acceptance of Catholics in U.S. politics as it was a symbol of a Cold War alliance – no U.S. president passes through Rome without a visit to the Vatican. President Bush, however, seems to have gone out of his way to pay his respects to the previous Holy Father, with three visits to John Paul II and a personal appearance – along with his wife and several staff members – at the papal funeral, where he first met then-Cardinal Ratzinger.
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I will say with respect to Kennedy, the first actually Catholic president, it was a different time. He had to distance himself from the Vatican to be elected. Should he have…people can debate that, but I think there is no doubt that his election helped with Church acceptance.

Just my :twocents:
 
BamaRider said:
Jimbo put this out-

So Shoshana responded with-

Well I reckon she told us, I’ve not read it, but I’m goin to the bookstore soon. :o
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It was not my motivation to embarrass anyone. The comment I made can apply to me as well. I am reading the Pope’s book…but one must take time to assimilate. Nevertheless, it is taking more time than anticipated. I read a book by Groeschel in one day (something I haven’t done for s-o-o-o long!)

Our Pope is brilliant and his depth is something else. But worth the read though…👍 So, I , too must take time away from the internet…😊:eek:
 
I just don’t have an interest inbuying the book. Guess what? I’m still Catholic.
 
I’m not about to judge his soul and say he’s hellbound but simply agreeing with Catholic principles does not make one Catholic. So cease and desist. He is not a Catholic president.
 
KatieD said:
I am very impressed by the President’s respectful treatment of our Church - including his meeting the Pope at Andrews Air Force Base. How can one not be touched by that? And I will always be grateful to him for the justices he has nominated to the Supreme Court and his firmness on the issues of embyonic stem cell research and the partial birth abortion ban. You can criticize him if you like, but he has been a staunch defender of life, and that is our most basic right of all.
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Well its the protocol for the leaders of a nation to meet the Pope, when he visits.

On the issue of Supreme Court appointees, in fairness, it wasn’t Bush who selected them. He was given a list of candidates, by the GOP leadership. On his own, Bush picked Harriet Myers. :eek:

Jim
 
I didn’t go back and read all the posts (kinda lazy) so if this has been answered don’t get upset, but what is the President’s current Church address? Episcopal?
 
BamaRider said:
I didn’t go back and read all the posts (kinda lazy) so if this has been answered don’t get upset, but what is the President’s current Church address? Episcopal?
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He is Methodist, but his “current Church address” (i.e. the one he currently attends) is Episcopalian.
 
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