"But it's my body!"

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After spending some time at a GAP event (Genocide Awareness Project) for CBR (center for bioethical reform). I learned the proper response to this stupid response.

Pro-Abort: “my body my choice”

Me (prolifer): “Oh really? So you can grow another head, two more arms/legs and potentially a penis?”

Pro-Abort: “…”🤷

Me: “Then it’s not your body is it?” 👍

Pro-Abort: :mad:
 
Rand_Al_Thor said:
And speaking of pro-death, I will have the privilage of working as a police officer at a university on Tuesday, January 23rd. Yep, that means that as a state employee I cannot express any political views or opinions when all the pro-abort student groups and the women’s resource center are out celebrating.:mad: Although, if they do use their “5,000 deaths a year before 1973” sign again, I will point out to them that they are lying to our student body.

In Christ,
Rand
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That’s terrible. No wonder we call it the culture of death.
 
puzzleannie said:
No, it is not your body. It is the body of an independent, separate human being whom you invited into your body when you had sex.
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While I personally find it somewhat persuasive that someone “invited” that second body by having sex, it’s not relevant to the sanctity of human life. First, egg release is automatic, not invited, and second, even the “uninvited” children of rape merit protection under Church teachings.

Anyway, I’ve known enough of them to tell you that the issue for the “it’s my body” people is: should government in a free society have the power to force women’s bodies to remain pregnant against their will and despite the circumstances? The government doesn’t force women to raise their children, and it doesn’t force them to keep their reproductive organs functioning… should it force pregnancy to be a legally irrevocable commitment?

Granted, these are strongly worded rhetorical questions, but if you’re really all about human life, be prepared to admit that you would answer “yes” to the above. It’s a lot easier to be pro-life when the questions are phrased in sympathetic ways that talk about babies. My pro-choice friends respect my arguments a lot more when I use their framework.

It doesn’t matter how somebody got pregnant unless you’re (1) in favor of a rape exception or (2) sexist. Most people don’t get all tied up in knots ensuring that men suffer dramatic consequences for promiscuity and carelessness, after all.

If there were some way to transplant a pregnancy without terminating it, that would give rise to an interesting set of moral issues indeed.
 
convert31 said:
While I personally find it somewhat persuasive that someone “invited” that second body by having sex, it’s not relevant to the sanctity of human life. First, egg release is automatic, not invited, and second, even the “uninvited” children of rape merit protection under Church teachings.

Anyway, I’ve known enough of them to tell you that the issue for the “it’s my body” people is: should government in a free society have the power to force women’s bodies to remain pregnant against their will and despite the circumstances? The government doesn’t force women to raise their children, and it doesn’t force them to keep their reproductive organs functioning… should it force pregnancy to be a legally irrevocable commitment?
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Again, if the person can explain what the baby did to deserve the death penalty, then that’s one thing…

But babies are viewed in this society as property, not people, so the above is not convenient.
If there were some way to transplant a pregnancy without terminating it, that would give rise to an interesting set of moral issues indeed.
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Indeed.
 
Hey if she wants to kill her own body, more power to her. Unfortunately, she only wants to destroy the baby and that’s not hers.
 
markomalley said:
Again, if the person can explain what the baby did to deserve the death penalty, then that’s one thing…

But babies are viewed in this society as property, not people, so the above is not convenient…
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Agreed, but I think it’s more accurate to say that, if abortion were illegal, pregnancy would be the only inescapable responsibility in our entire society. Ever since slavery was abolished and no-fault divorce became widespread, Americans can terminate a commitment to anything–a job, a marriage, even parenting–and do little more than pay damages. With pregnancy there’s no way to pass the buck or pay someone else to do it, so people struggle as to whether to make it the one thing in all of society that you can’t walk away from.

I personally struggle more with what the penalties would be if abortion were made illegal, but that’s a topic for another thread.
 
convert31 said:
Agreed, but I think it’s more accurate to say that, if abortion were illegal, pregnancy would be the only inescapable responsibility in our entire society. Ever since slavery was abolished and no-fault divorce became widespread, Americans can terminate a commitment to anything–a job, a marriage, even parenting–and do little more than pay damages. With pregnancy there’s no way to pass the buck or pay someone else to do it, so people struggle as to whether to make it the one thing in all of society that you can’t walk away from.

I personally struggle more with what the penalties would be if abortion were made illegal, but that’s a topic for another thread.
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You have just stated the disease of civilized society. And in all fairness I think we are next. I’ve never read of a society that overcame the lack of responsibility.

Corruption from within.

The other two trademarmks are pride and hypocracy…hmmmm
 
I’ve been involved in some of these arguments, they aren’t pleasant in the least. I don’t try to water it down, it simple to me:
  1. Abortion is murder.
  2. Abortion is not just about the woman, it is about 3 people: child, mother, AND father.
More often than not people forget about the murder part, and are more upset that my views “offend” their civil liberties, rather than the fact I am talking about murder. Pro-Choice is a guise to divert attention from the murder part…

It is true that without abortion pregnancy is the only engagement where you can’t pass the buck…

Just keep on praying for all those who have abortion, and all the aborted…

-revelations
 
I agree abortion = murder

The Twelve Apostles were agains abortion and simply stated it in the Didache (The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles). In the book The Faith of the Early Fathers volume 1 by William A. Jurgens states, “You shall no procure abortion, nor destroy a new-born child.”
 
Hahaha, I had this conversation once. Other posters are right…someone making this claim is someone to walk away from!

She was 2 months pregnant with a boy at the time, so I just looked her right in the eyes and started laughing. She asked “what?”

I told her it cracked me up that she was now a he. 😃

It made her steaming mad. Or maybe she was already steaming mad. I mean, it takes a lot of madness to kill something kicking inside you. We risk our lives to save itty turtles in the street. Surely you can’t just switch off the same lovey sensitivity…especially when you feel it from within. 🤷
 
“But it’s my body” is as silly as it sounds.

If a woman is poised on a bridge,planning to leap to her death do the poleice oficers, fire and rescue folks and passers-by simply ignore her because “it is her body”.

In the abortion procedure it is not her body that is killed. She knows it, the immoral practitioners know it and all of society knows it.

“But it is my body” is as silly as it sounds.
 
Jordan_Francis said:
I continue to be frustrated in conversations with pro-abortionists who seem to think “a woman’s body is her own” is quite a legitimate excuse for abortion.

My house is my own, the law nor any rational person would deny that, yet the law does not stop at my front door. I am still obligated to respect the personhood of all within my home.

Its highly ironic that students on my university campus all over will refrain from eating meat because they disagree with how we treat cows in farms. No one is concerned about the problem of abortion. When the the Catholic students, with our Chaplaincy, try establish a pro-life presence there has been nothing but trouble!

A near by univeristy in Ontario also denied the pro-life group official club status, denying it the ability to set up on campus or put up posters of any kind.

Anyways…just venting.
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I share your frustration. The caveat that blows holes into the “this is my body” response is that a woman’s body IS hers, but her actions in abortion affect another living creation. Nearly all forms of life begin as being a “host necessary” organism, meaning that they cannot survive outside the confines of the mother’s body. Ask pro-aborts this question: “would you abort your dog’s puppies or your cat’s kittens?” Just see what sort of reactions and responses there are.

No one could ever get away with performing similar actions on animals - no matter whether domesticated pets or wild creatures. The animal rights activists would be apoplectic! Sadly, many of these same activists think nothing of violating a human life by aborting it. :mad:
 
Rand_Al_Thor said:
I usually answer this argument by saying something like,

“Oh, really? So your body has two heartbeats, two sets of brainwaves, two unique DNA patterns, and possibly two genders? I didn’t know all that was possible.”

Simple fact of the matter is it is NOT their body. The child may be inside their body for the time being, but that does not give the woman ownership over it. It is its own body and its own life. I hate the whole “my body, my choice” slogan of the pro-death crowd.

And speaking of pro-death, I will have the privilage of working as a police officer at a university on Tuesday, January 23rd. Yep, that means that as a state employee I cannot express any political views or opinions when all the pro-abort student groups and the women’s resource center are out celebrating.:mad: Although, if they do use their “5,000 deaths a year before 1973” sign again, I will point out to them that they are lying to our student body.

In Christ,
Rand
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I’m not sure they mean that the baby is their body when they use that argument, but that it is their body that has to be used to make the kid survive.They think they have the right to not support the baby, even though that means the baby dies.😦
 
It is still silly.

More than silly this is obscene. If this woman, who chose not to use her body to provide necessary temporaty assistance to her baby, is a physician does she have a right to refuse to treat a person?

Can she say, “But it is my body” and I choose not to extend temporary assistance to this patient? If she tries to use this defence for killing the patient I’ll bet you a saltine cracker the family of the dead patient will be able to find any number of ‘pro-abortion’ lawyers to file suit against her.
 
maxaugret said:
It is still silly.

More than silly this is obscene. If this woman, who chose not to use her body to provide necessary temporaty assistance to her baby, is a physician does she have a right to refuse to treat a person?

Can she say, “But it is my body” and I choose not to extend temporary assistance to this patient? If she tries to use this defence for killing the patient I’ll bet you a saltine cracker the family of the dead patient will be able to find any number of ‘pro-abortion’ lawyers to file suit against her.
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It’s almost as if they view the fetus as a mole that has to be removed… ick. It is obscene. Even for those who don’t think that the infant is human yet (which the baby most certainly is) should realize that it will live as a human. So it’s pre-premeditated murder (if you look at it that way.)
 
The evil of legalized abortion is that good people let it happen and lets it continue.
 
As a project Rachel counselor who has counseled many women who have had abortions and suffered severely after believing the lie that it was their body and they could do what they want with it, I simply tell them it is not their body I worry about as much as their sanity and their soul. I share with them the results I see for the women who drink or drug to cover up the horror they feel for having murdered their own child…even if the horror is subconscious for years. I work in a women’s overflow facility for a state prison. I do substance abuse counseling there and a high percentage of the women have had abortions. If these women who think it is there body to do with what they please cannot find it within themself to care about the innocent life within them, maybe they can be enlightened to give the baby up for adoption for their own self-interest.
 
Prior to performing an abortion, the abortionist (or assistant) performs an ultrasound to determine where in the uterus the baby is located. During this procedure, the ultrasound monitor/screen is turned away from the woman lying on the table. Why? Because if the mother was able to see her baby, and the little blip of her baby’s heartbeat, on the screen, she would very likely refuse to go any further with the abortion. Why? Because she would see that this was her baby’s body, complete with its own little heartbeat, and not “her body.”
 
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