Buying travel books that look favorably on homosexuality?

[yellowbird]

A block of text, a paragraph, a sentence, a phrase, or sometimes just a word, sprung on you when you least expect it. It can be very subtle so that you first think “that phrase was expressed in a strange way”, then you re-read it and realise exactly what it means.

Phrase? Sometimes a single word makes you feel like they are pushing the gay card? Can you give an example of a word that others may overlook but you, upon reading twice, recognize as a subtly woven gay theme?

 

[Seeker1961]

That is ridiculous. No travel guide would be vilified for not including information about gay life, except maybe by gay websites who are reviewing books with an eye toward LGBT content. Reviewers in general may comment on that omission, but it is not as if bookstores would not sell them for that reason.

Certainly not, since there seem to be an abundance of other travel guides that are just slopping over with information for gay travelers. Apparently nobody could say that the gay market is somehow not being served.

I know nothing about travel guides myself, I’m just basing my information on what I’m reading here.

 

[Moore11]

Here is from rick steves site. It is about gay traveling.

Bring a good guidebook. You can supplement your resources with gay-themed materials and research. Many publishers produce guidebooks specifically written for gay travelers, including Frommer’s and Damron. Other books routinely cover gay nightlife even if they’re not gay-themed, especially city guides like the Time Out series. For recommendations online, try websites such as OutTraveler and Purple Roofs. Lesbian couples can review Women Traveling Solo, since much of the same advice applies.

ricksteves.com/plan/tips/gay_travel.htm

So it would seem that some travel guides do specifically address this issue. Frommers is a huge travel guide publication probably second to Rick Steves himself.

 

[yellowbird]

Here is from rick steves site. It is about gay traveling.

ricksteves.com/plan/tips/gay_travel.htm

So it would seem that some travel guides do specifically address this issue. Frommers is a huge travel guide publication probably second to Rick Steves himself.

Nobody is disputing that the travel guides contain points of interest sections for gays. We discussed that - gays travel and want tips. I imagine the guides also contain points of interest for those traveling with children? The travel guides aren’t pushing homosexuality - or procreation - they are simply trying to appeal to as many travelers as possible to increase their circulation.

Those who don’t want to see the gay points of interest have a choice - skip those articles or boycot the travel guides. Wa-la - problem solved. Gays are part of our society and have every right to be included in the secular travel guides. Our choice is to either read it - or don’t.

 

[yellowbird]

Here is from rick steves site. It is about gay traveling.

ricksteves.com/plan/tips/gay_travel.htm

So it would seem that some travel guides do specifically address this issue. Frommers is a huge travel guide publication probably second to Rick Steves himself.

This article’s main theme is whether gay/lesbian travelers will have difficulity finding lodging in different parts of Europe. That is very basic - necessary information for the gay traveler. It’s not like they are giving locations for wild gay sex parties or anything.

Is that a typical example of the information regarding gays found in the travel guides? If so, what’s the big deal? Wouldn’t you want these folks to be able to find lodging - out of compassion and human kindness?

 

[yellowbird]

This article’s main theme is whether gay/lesbian travelers will have difficulity finding lodging in different parts of Europe. That is very basic - necessary information for the gay traveler. It’s not like they are giving locations for wild gay sex parties or anything.

Is that a typical example of the information regarding gays found in the travel guides? If so, what’s the big deal? Wouldn’t you want these folks to be able to find lodging - out of compassion and human kindness?

When I said “wouldn’t **YOU **want these folks…” I wasn’t refering to any poster in particular - but rather - all of us. Bad word choice.

 

[andrewstx]

These are not magazines the OP is talking about. These are travel guide books which many tourists have come to regard as almost essential. They are certainly extremely handy when travelling. And as far as I am aware there are only three or four brands of these guides and they all do this, so some of us would like an alternative to be available. But apparently we aren’t allowed to say that.

I iike San Franciso and have several travel guides about the place and have been there a few times. I enjoy Chinatown, Golden Gate park and a few other places.

That city has a few Places and neighborhoods that cater to hommosexuals, but as in most cities they stick to their own neighborhoods, and you seldom see them in other parts of town.

In the travel guides I have they usually have one page out like 2, 3 hundred dedicated to those places. Why not choose the locations you like and avoid the part of town the homosexuals habitutate?

 

[Petergee]

That is ridiculous. No travel guide would be vilified for not including information about gay life, except maybe by gay websites who are reviewing books with an eye toward LGBT content. Reviewers in general may comment on that omission, but it is not as if bookstores would not sell them for that reason.

They might get away with it if they could convince people it was an “accidental” ommisssion which will be “corrected” in the future titles and editions, but letting iot be known that they had deliberately omitted it would see them branded “homophobic” and calls for a boycott. Not just among the tiny gay subculture but among large numbers of people who wish to be seen as politically correct.

 

[Petergee]

Phrase? Sometimes a single word makes you feel like they are pushing the gay card? Can you give an example of a word that others may overlook but you, upon reading twice, recognize as a subtly woven gay theme?

Check out the usage of wiords like husband, wife, partner and even he and she.

 

[Do_Good_Then_Go]

This is getting a bit ridiculous. It’s not a sin to be homosexual. It’s not a sin to acknowledge that one is homosexual. It’s not a sin for homosexual people to travel or wish to meet other homosexual people, whether at home or when travelling. It’s not even a sin to go to a bar, whether the regulars are mostly homosexual or not.

Authors, editors, publishers, or whoever it is that puts travel guides together (or any books for that matter) are not required to include places or events that may be of interest to homosexuals. Equally they can include this information if they wish. They’re not going to be vilified if they don’t include the information.They might not sell as many guides though.

Can you give an example of the inappropriate use of pronouns or the inappropriate use of words like husband, wife and/or partner in the travel guides? I’m struggling to imagine just what exactly in the travel guides you find offensive but if there really are unexpected things cropping up that you feel is putting all of this ‘in your face’ when you least expect it, I’d suggest just avoiding the books altogether.

 

[yellowbird]

They might get away with it if they could convince people it was an “accidental” ommisssion which will be “corrected” in the future titles and editions, but letting iot be known that they had deliberately omitted it would see them branded “homophobic” and calls for a boycott. Not just among the tiny gay subculture but among large numbers of people who wish to be seen as politically correct.

What you call “wishing to politically correct” I call accepting my fellow human beings with compassion, respect and sensitivity, recognizing that they did not choose their homosexual condition and for most, it’s a trial.

If you have a problem with that - take it up with the Catechism of the Catholic Church (2358.)

 

[fix]

This is getting a bit ridiculous. It’s not a sin to be homosexual. It’s not a sin to acknowledge that one is homosexual. It’s not a sin for homosexual people to travel or wish to meet other homosexual people, whether at home or when travelling. It’s not even a sin to go to a bar, whether the regulars are mostly homosexual or not.

There is such a thing as the near occasion of sin. So, yes some of the descriptions you mention may very well be morally illicit.

 

[yellowbird]

There is such a thing as the near occasion of sin. So, yes some of the descriptions you mention may very well be morally illicit.

Catholic Answers have arranged cruises for Catholics who wanted to travel, and meet & hang with out with other Catholics. I’m guessing some of them hung out by the bar on the ship.

How are they different from the homosexuals who want to travel, meet and hang out with other homosexuals and sometimes go to bars?

Why is one group morally illicit and the other group isn’t?

Why assume the worst about the homosexuals? Last I checked, sin was a human condidition, not limited to any particular group.

 

[fix]

Catholic Answers have arranged cruises for Catholics who wanted to travel, and meet & hang with out with other Catholics. I’m guessing some of them hung out by the bar on the ship.

How are they different from the homosexuals who want to travel, meet and hang out with other homosexuals and sometimes go to bars?

Why is one group morally illicit and the other group isn’t?

Why assume the worst about the homosexuals? Last I checked, sin was a human condidition, not limited to any particular group.

Alcohol consumption is is not intrinsically disordered. If one is an alcoholic then going to bar may be a near occasion of sin.

What is the point of a bar dedicated to homosexual persons? Is it to grow in being chaste? For support? If it is not then yes it would be wrong.

There is a marked moral difference in catering to Catholics in a Catholic event and catering to homosexual persons that wish to engage in a “Gay” lifestyle. This really should not need to be pointed out.

 

[yellowbird]

There is a marked moral difference in catering to Catholics in a Catholic event and catering to homosexual persons that wish to engage in a “Gay” lifestyle. This really should not need to be pointed out.

What is this “gay” lifestyle? The homosexuals I know go to work, come home, cook dinner, watch some TV and go to bed. On the weekends they do yard work, play with their dog in the park and at night, take in dinner and movie.

Not so different from my lifestyle.

 

[yellowbird]

Alcohol consumption is is not intrinsically disordered. If one is an alcoholic then going to bar may be a near occasion of sin.

**What is the point of a bar dedicated to homosexual persons? Is it to grow in being chaste? For support? If it is not then yes it would be wrong.**There is a marked moral difference in catering to Catholics in a Catholic event and catering to homosexual persons that wish to engage in a “Gay” lifestyle. This really should not need to be pointed out.

That’s funny. Is that why heterosexuals go to bars? To grow in being chaste???

Maybe the homosexuals just like hanging out with each other? In Chicago there are bars for Cubs fans - bars for Whitesox fans. People generally like to hang out & socialize with people like themselves. Where is the sin in that?

There isn’t.

There is ZERO sin in being gay. Just as there is ZERO sin in being a Cubs fan.

Now a Whitesox fan on the other hand…

 

[fix]

What is this “gay” lifestyle? The homosexuals I know go to work, come home, cook dinner, watch some TV and go to bed. On the weekends they do yard work, play with their dog in the park and at night, take in dinner and movie.

Not so different from my lifestyle.

Is this a genuine question? I find it hard to believe anyone would wonder what the Gay lifestyle refers to.

 

[fix]

That’s funny. Is that why heterosexuals go to bars? To grow in being chaste???

Is heterosexuality a disordered inclination?

Maybe the homosexuals just like hanging out with each other?

So, “gay” bars are acceptable in your understanding of morality?

In Chicago there are bars for Cubs fans - bars for Whitesox fans. People generally like to hang out & socialize with people like themselves. Where is the sin in that?[/qupte]

Is sports interest a moral issue?

[qupte]There isn’t.

There is ZERO sin in being gay. Just as there is ZERO sin in being a Cubs fan.

Now a Whitesox fan on the other hand…

Using the word “gay” to identify oneself involves a political agenda. Having a homosexual inclination is not a sin, although the inclination is not ordered correctly.

If you want to pretend “gay” culture is innocuous you are free to do so.

 

[Moore11]

Catholic Answers have arranged cruises for Catholics who wanted to travel, and meet & hang with out with other Catholics. I’m guessing some of them hung out by the bar on the ship.

How are they different from the homosexuals who want to travel, meet and hang out with other homosexuals and sometimes go to bars?

Why is one group morally illicit and the other group isn’t?

Why assume the worst about the homosexuals? Last I checked, sin was a human condidition, not limited to any particular group.

Why is one group morally licit and the other not!?

That shows that you do not have a good grasp on what the Church teaches.
It also smacks of relativism. One is NOT the same as the other. That is ludacris to think so.

You also do not have a good grasp on what homosexual cruises would consist of. It is not “Fellowship” or like minded individuals trying to defeat their sin we are talking about.

The gay community has done a wonderful job of sanitizing the reality of the lifestyle. We picture a funny person on a sitcom we like. Or a person that picked out a great wedding dress. They have done this with such success that when some people hear about a “gaycation” or a gay cruise we picture the couple from Modern Family cracking witty funny jokes with Jack from “Will and Grace” and helping some sassy bride find a dress. All while forgetting the whole purpose is to find or be with other people who intend to live an unholy lifestyle with unholy and unsanitary actions (I’m sorry if that is uncomfortable but the success of the sanitation of the media on the homosexual lifestyle makes it sadly necessary to point out that a spade is indeed a spade.)
The actual gay lifestyle of these cruises or gay bars is dark, seedy, messy, dangerous, unhealthy, and most importantly satanic in as far as it is directly opposed to God.

 

[yellowbird]

You talk is if gays have a monopoly on sexual sins. Spend spring break in Cancun or South Padre Island and you’ll witness the same things you’ve described here. The mechanics may not be the same - but the sin is the same and every bit as unsanitary, dark, seedy, messy, dangerous, unheathy and most importantly directly oposed to God. Can’t wait for Spring Break? Not a problem - check out a large public college campus. There’s all sorts of hetero unholiness going on there.

Make no mistake - my point is that BOTH groups sin - homosexuals and heterosexuals. BOTH have members who live unholy lives. So don’t be tossing stones across the fence at the gay community - we have enough problems in our own backyard.