BYU celebrates 400 years of KJB with an Anti Catholic hit piece.

[zaffiroborant]

I see the Mormon church propaganda that is still anti-Catholic without naming the our church, the latest being this past week’s “King James Bible”.

I saw one episode of the “King James Bible.” I thought it was quite informative. I didn’t think it was anti-Catholic. However, I have come to realize since particitating in the Catholic forum that some feel that the very existance of the LDS Church is anti-Catholic.

You can see the BYU “celebration” of the 400 year anniversary KJB here. Like Kathleen I find it to be anti-Catholic, it is filled with loaded language and the re-enactments were filled with grim imagery. So far I’ve watched the first fifteen minutes, and like Kathleen I find it to be anti-Catholic, relentlessly so with statements like:

The Catholic church felt the need to keep control of the bible because it was this source of immense authority. And one of the ways to do this was to dispense the Word of God through the structures of the church, see if you control the bible you control power you control society.

I will watch the rest of it but I find I have trouble watching it in one sitting both from the content and the balkiness of my computer. The first installment is 52 minutes, if you have the time and the inclination watch it and respond to it’s content.

Is it anti-Catholic, or fair balanced and informative?

 

[Khalid]

Mormons are as anti-Catholic (and racist) as it comes outside of Seventh Day Adventism, but have been toning it down in recent years to try to minimize their differences with Christianity, and have toned down many of their crazier doctrines and practices (e.g. those taken wholesale from Masonic ceremonies, the Heavenly Mother, the Adam-God doctrine, the Eternal Progression) while just “not commenting” on some, so they can be plausibly denied while the parishioners still believe in them (such as the belief that God the Father has a physical body and came down and committed adultery with the Blessed Virgin while she was betrothed to Joseph in order to conceive Jesus, anti-Catholicism), and weaselling around on others (Tritheism).

Just check out any original copy of the “Book of Mormon” with the original “Book of Covenants” (new editions are altered to remove racist and anti-Catholic overtones, but even modern BoMs and Doctrines and Covenants and Books of Abraham aren’t lacking in that department), changes in the Temple endowment ceremony (which used to show a Protestant pastor and a Catholic priest as agents of the Devil and Whore of Babylon, and are drawn straight from Masonism), or a copy of Mormon Doctrine by former General Authority Bruce McConkie, who’s just about as revered as anyone beyond Joseph Smith, Jr. (the “Prophet” who has so many parallels to the other false prophet, Muhammad, that it’s beyond ironic), Brigham Young or Joseph Fielding Smith gets in Mormonism (McConkie is the guy who edited the KJV “Mormon Edition” published by the LDS).

It’s even more ironic that the Mormon church is apostate by its own criteria, but changes slowly enough to attempt to keep its rank-and-file from realizing it and becoming Christians.

On topic: the film is anti-Catholic by repeating constant tropes of falsehood about the Church and the Bible, etc. that are used as mainstays by Jack Chick types.

 

[Sherry_G]

Of course they are anti-Catholic. How else can they every hope to retain their membership? Since the biggest splits occured in the 16th century, the perpetuation of cherrypicked events and instances of certain evil men doing wrong while under the cloak of Caholicism and exaggeration of all events prior, is their only hope of survival. As we can all witness, one or two schisms have now morphed into thousands of various forms of so called Christianity and other forms of beliefs that are not even Christian. The huge lie about the Bible is the foundation of thier premises. Many ministry students and theologians are coming home to the Catholic Church, exactly because they are studying true historical facts that can be documented. BYU and other schools like them must continue to perpetuate the lies, else their livelihood will die out. Of course, most non Catholics would never dare to study actual historical facts. Once they do, they become Catholic. Christ started the Catholic Church around 33 AD. All other religions have a human being as their founder.

 

[bz5]

I think a lot of religions are anti-Catholic because, to justify not being in the church that has demonstrably existed since Jesus’s time and claims to be Jesus’s church, you must tear it down. I don’t know that a lot of modern LDS are personally hateful to Catholics, but I was recently told that the Catholic church “fought tooth and nail” to keep the Bible out of the hands of the people. I find that very ironic. What really kept the Bible out of the hands of the many was that moveable type (an efficient printing press) was not invented until the 1500s. Therefore, books were copied by hand and incredibly expensive. Therefore, almost no one owned any, and the vast majority of the population was illiterate. Meanwhile, where COULD one find the Bible? In the Catholic churches, perhaps being chained there to keep it safe, as books were chained in libraries. You could find it being copied by Catholic monks. The few who could read were often taught at monastery schools. The beautiful cathedrals built in the Middle Ages were Bibles in stone, the paintings, windows, statuary helping tell the Bible stories to the illiterate.

 

[bz5]

To Khalid: I too have been very struck by the similarity between the stories of Muhammad and Joseph Smith. But when Jesus started his church, he gave the founders the power to do many miracles. Both Smith and Muhammad gave as their “miracle” the new book they claimed to be from God.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Can I just comment on the production quality? It isn’t good.

Other than that, of course it is anti-Catholic, that is the foundation of Mormonism. This production is just more Mormon propaganda.

First five minutes alone…William Tyndale had nothing to do with the KJV. He was executed in 1536, the KJV was published 1611.

 

[Bran_Stark]

First five minutes alone…William Tyndale had nothing to do with the KJV. He was executed in 1536, the KJV was published 1611.

Um that’s a pretty shallow criticism… Tyndale was the first in a long line of translations which eventually produced the KJV. They’re just showing the historical context.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Um that’s a pretty shallow criticism… Tyndale was the first in a long line of translations which eventually produced the KJV. They’re just showing the historical context.

Shallow is the word for opening this production with the execution of Tyndale. Pure rhetoric, and nothing more.

Tyndale has nothing to do with King James’ intent for a new Bible translation.

 

[Khalid]

Actually, King James’ Bible is about 60% verbatim Tyndale in the New Testament. It had much more of an influence than did translations such as the Great and Bishops’ Bibles.

 

[RebeccaJ]

The intent of King James translations was not the Mormon idea of “translated correctly”. But that is what they want to convey in this production.

Tyndale did not have this intent and neither did King James. They both wanted translations that conformed to their beliefs. King James wanted changes made that suited his purposes as the leader of the Church of England.

Tyndale has nothing to do with this. The Mormons want to present their belief, that the KJV is the only English translation perfect enough, because God, over time, created this translation just for the purposes of their so-called restoration.

If anyone here believes Mormons would present an accurate view of history, I have a bridge I’d like to sell, let me know if you’re interested. Just look at what they do to Catholic history, and their historical claims for a Book of Mormom. Both indicators they are not purveyors of truth but manipulators.

This production is a Mormon manipulation put to film. Half truths, is what Mormons deal in.

So you have a half truth with Tyndale. A Mormon manipulation, to prop up belief. For Mormons history is not fact but belief.

You can believe along with Mormons if you like. I’ll call them on their lies.

 

[KathleenGee]

I am relieved others saw the same anti-Catholic bias. It is there. Very much there. Thanks for bringing out the quote…I could only watch 15 minutes of it. Then it was on again on another day, and I came in to watch the last 15 minutes of it, then they taking a quote from Scriptures how Christianity is meant to study the Word of God, and how in response to Tyndale, the martyrs who are now robed in white in Revelations…it upset me.

We are instructed not to change one word of Scripture. There is dispute about Martin Luther changing Scripture…and look at the dismantling that has come about of Christianity. Tyndale changed much of Scripture. There is great emphasis on the beauty of language and phrases…but nothing referring back to the Apostolic teachings that are preserved through the Holy Spirit.

I am wondering about writing to the LDS Church to file a complaint against this program…how they go so far and then stop before the name, ‘Catholic’.

Then again, it is being said that the Mormon Church is loosing many members here in the USA. I feel those in Europe and elsewhere are potential victims because they do not know of the damage control this belief system is doing to hide their original teachings and behaviors and extenuating circumstances of their leaders and internal practices.

Pray and do penance for the Mormon people so that some day they may share with us the true restoration…that we can have today and not some day in the future and in other ways of thinking…

Yes, they are withdrawing from previous teachings…and those adamant about wanting to become gods…from Adam and Eve’s disobedience, while ignoring the Tree of Life among those they were permitted to eat…the deceit is reflective of that choice.

The devil was a liar and a thief from the beginning.

I prayed for the M

 

[zaffiroborant]

Another snippet from the video, showing the use of the “deeply misleading” strategy of leaving out information that shows your assertion false.

Nevertheless Jerome’s Latin Vulgate would dominate the Catholic canon for almost 1200 years until the Catholic church adopted a more positive stance toward non Latin bibles in it’s Vatican II proclamation of 1962.

Pretty deceptive that, ignoring 300 and some odd years of a published version of the Bible in English.

 

[KathleenGee]

Yes…there were misinformation and disinformation in this film that contradicts this very nice outward appearance of Mormonism.

I made friends with a Mormon woman recently. When we were talking about life and things, out of habit, she mentioned The Temple, and then caught herself, like knowing I am a Catholic…‘woops…oh oh…’ like I don’t know what is going on in there…trying to get Catholic sacramental records to re baptize people…

These good people are institutionally being taught to hide and cover up; I like her very much and we get along very well…and I share with her what we have in common. But I don’t get into discussing religion as such, considering it inappropriate in our work.

 

[Tony888]

I have not seen it yet, but from what I’ve read in this thread, it is accurately reflecting the roots of Protestantism. It would be a poor piece on history if it pretended everyone was holding hands and singing Kumbaya

Please cite the historical inaccuracies, bearing in mind the period dissatisfaction with the RCC

 

[Khalid]

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Surprise of the Century: A Mormon Defends Mormonism

I think the inculcated (I’ll shy away from saying “indoctrinated”) reasons for one doing so are touched on in this thread. There’s more historical and spiritual truth in Santa Claus than there is in the Book of Mormon (because, you know, there actually have been Saints named Nicholas - Former-Day Saints, so I’m not mistaken), and I daresay that Freemasonry (you know, the source of the Temple ceremonies?) contains greater cosmological and religious truth than the Book of Abraham. I can’t think of anything that sinks to the level of the Doctrine & Covenants except for, maybe, “Gospel Principles”, “Mormon Doctrine”, or even a copy of “Ensign” - or this film (and anything published by the Zion’s Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, i.e. Jehovah’s Witnesses). Actually, FARMS is much more devious and full of more lies than all of the above put together. No other Western religion is on such a level so consistently, relying on obfuscation, miseducation, misinformation, lies, indoctrination, and half-truths so thoroughly (although one religion that loves to call itself peaceful is).

When I play a game of CS Lewis - that is, Lunatic, Liar, or Lord - I always have a hard time deciding which two of Muhammad, Joseph Smith Jr, and Brigham Young should fill the “Lunatic” and “Liar” positions; the homicidal racist Book of Mormon Jesus is in the running too, now that I consider it.

Mormonism is probably the fastest-growing religion in America (and many other areas, especially post-Communist ones) by number of converts - each missionary converts about 70 people on average in a two-year tour. However, the retention rates for converts are terrible (once the newly-“baptized” as exposed to the doctrines of Mormonism taught to Mormons instead of the sanitized “missionary lessons”, which are self-contradictory: the “Word of Wisdom” is “a principle with a purpose, not to be enforced as law”, but actually is enforced as law… huh?), and the retention rate for cradle Mormons is about 35%, and that’s counting “cultural Mormons”.

Mormonism is well suited to a relational, Web 2.0 Facebook-Twitter age, where truth doesn’t matter, but the interpersonal relationships and postmodern dialectics do! It’s hard to not form an interpersonal relationship when the missionaries wont stop knocking on your door five times a week at all hours of the day after you’ve told them to leave, and every Book of Mormon comes with two of them!

Many people collect false religious writings: why else would The Urantia Book and the entire 29-volume Sacred Books of the East series even exist?

 

[TexanKnight]

I have not seen it yet, but from what I’ve read in this thread, it is accurately reflecting the roots of Protestantism. It would be a poor piece on history if it pretended everyone was holding hands and singing Kumbaya

Please cite the historical inaccuracies, bearing in mind the period dissatisfaction with the RCC

Watching it reminded me of watching an RLDS film and the folks kept saying how the LDS Church violated this and messed up that and that the LDS Church lost its authority and the LDS Church stopped following God, and that the LDS Church did not follow the correct line of authority, etc.

Wonder if you would have thought the film was anti LDS?

 

[Amun_Re]

Guys! At least one of the experts in that documentary is Catholic.

First video, 3:52. That’s Brad Gregory, Notre Dame professor.
history.nd.edu/faculty/directory/brad-s-gregory/

I like what he has to say.

 

[Khalid]

Two Mormons defending Mormonism! Oh, my Three Gods and Heavenly Mother!

It just goes to show that an overenthusiastic ecumenical spirit can have negative side-effects!

 

[Amun_Re]

Two Mormons defending Mormonism! Oh, my Three Gods and Heavenly Mother!

It just goes to show that an overenthusiastic ecumenical spirit can have negative side-effects!

Now there’re at least two Notre Dame professors. Anyone know Lawrence Cunningham’s (11:48, 1st video) religious affiliation?

Another one: John Cavadini (18:03, 1st video). Notre Dame theologian.

 

[RebeccaJ]

As I said, nothing but rhetoric…now we have an “appeal to authority”.