BYU celebrates 400 years of KJB with an Anti Catholic hit piece.

[KathleenGee]

The Mormon leadership and their sophists study the Catholic Church most intensely…appearing to me to look for something within us, to hook on to, and then throw us over onto the mat, and then say, see we are Christ’s Church.

That is an 1830 year time gap before coming to the wrestling match to see who is the Church established by Christ. The Apostles didn’t do a very good job then either.

 

[Tony888]

Here is a link to all the episodes
Watch all three episodes of Fires of Faith

 

[KathleenGee]

Tony…

Thanks for the films.

For most time since Christ’s life, most people couldn’t read. To say the Church was withholding the reading of Sacred Scripture because of power and control is false.

Catholicism is based on the Oral Tradition. But the ancient liturgies – of course – had the Gospels and Letters recited and taught at the Mass. It was impossible to make bibles, when they finally came about, for every Christian. And as we all see here day in and day out are interpretations of Sacred Scripture that tear the Body of Christ apart.

The Holy Spirit with the Oral Tradition of Jesus Christ passed down through the Apostles and their successors to all believers, to ensure our common unity of communion.

Our faith has never been devoid of the Word of God, and we have been nurtured on the Word of God always…and see Sacred Scriptures itself as the Jesus Christ, Eternal Word.

To promote the Catholic Church as preventing Christianity from reflecting on the Word of God sounds like another one of the spins coming out on the tracts…Mormons aren’t using tracts but films.

Films are much more powerful than tracts, a picture being worth a thousand words.

Jesus Christ alone is Truth. He will come to those who seek the fullness of Truth.

 

[Tony888]

Tony…

Thanks for the films.

For most time since Christ’s life, most people couldn’t read. To say the Church was withholding the reading of Sacred Scripture because of power and control is false.

Katherine,
The first episode made it clear French and German bibles were available much earlier in their resxpective countries. I find the episode claim credible that the english bible was banned by both church and state because of the unrest following the peasants revolt in England. It was local politics at play, not doctrine.

What did you think of the priests called lollards. who would walk the country reading the Wycliffe Bible in english. The local church authorities did burn them at the stake as heretics?

 

[SteveVH]

Katherine,
The first episode made it clear French and German bibles were available much earlier in their resxpective countries. I find the episode claim credible that the english bible was banned by both church and state because of the unrest following the peasants revolt in England. It was local politics at play, not doctrine.

What did you think of the priests called lollards. who would walk the country reading the Wycliffe Bible in english. The local church authorities did burn them at the stake as heretics?

I would advise you to read the book “Where We Got the Bible”, by Henry G. Graham. He points out that the the Catholic Church had translations in Spanish, Italian, Danish, French, Norwegian, Polish, Bohemiam, and Hungarian before the printing press was invented. As far as English translations, there is a copy of the work of Caedmon (a monk) at the end of the 7th century in the English tongue of that period. In the 8th century we find the translations of Venerable Bede, Eadhelm (Bishop of Sherborne), of Guthlac (a hermit), and of Egbert (Bishop of Holy Island). These were in all in Saxon, the common language at that time in England. After the Norman conquest in 1066, Anglo-Norman, also known and Middle English was the language of England and the next translations found are in that language; the paraphrase of Orm (1150 A.D.) and the Salus Animae (1250 A.D.) and the translations of William Shoreham and Richard Rolle, hermit of Hampole who died in 1349.

Thomas More, the Chancelor of England under Henry VIII says: “The whole Bible, long before Wycliff’s day was by virtuous and well-learned men translated into the English tongue, and by good and godly people with devotion and soberness well and reverently read.” (Dialogues III)

When one considers the time and expense involved in writing, by hand, Bibles in the vernacular, this is quite an accomplishment and proves the charges against the Catholic Church as to vernacular translations, false.

 

[KathleenGee]

Yes, and the expense of the Bibles…it took 340 or so sheep to make one bible made of sheepskin…Consider the Irish monks and all the work they did in protecting the texts of Sacred Scripture…

What was rising in some parts of Europe was a desire for their own jurisdiction, something akin to the Orthodox patriarchs having their own jurisdiction. The Orthodox had their own patriarchs and jurisdiction because their churches were founded by the Apostles.

Those times were most complex. I have been reading an seminary prescribed history given me by my pastor, and it would take pages of information describing the events leading to the Reformation, as well as the characters and modes of communication in those times.

That is why it is very troubling that brand new religions such as Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventist and the Jehovah Witnesses have a particular perception and invalidation of anything Catholic because of what little they understood, as well as falling for compromised leaders.

The more ecclesial break away from the Church based on the 7 sacraments…they as well lose more and more of authentic Christian roots. Our history of Christianity is most massive, especially when you look at countries, regions, and dioceses, the documentation, the issues. Subsequently, these types of religions have a very difficult time even getting to a baseline to properly understand Christianity, its history and practices, as well as the nature and mission of the Church.

What is most amazing is how the Catholic Church continues to survive in almost ongoing trevail.

So there is wisdom in the saying, ‘fools jump in where angels fear to tread’…

The safe ground, and I say this in response to these video ‘tracts’ being put out by the Mormons, is that it would help itself alot to report factually and not with prejudice and irony–the caricature of the priest was particularly offensive, and making Tyndale a martyr who rewrote so much of Scripture…what the Apostles told us was forbidden.

Sola Scriptura was essentially the beginning of the dismantling of Christianity, which in turn led to secular humanism, which in turn led to the fruition of the forbidden fruit…to be as gods…people deciding today who can live and who can die…be it abortion, or euthanasia, pogroms, transferring of wealth to countries with very poor tract records of human rights, 54 million slaughtered by their own people in one country alone.

We are living in the time of the Great Apostasy…the entire world’s great falling away from God and faith, not the Great Apostasy insinuating this apostasy created by mainly the Catholic Church.

Instead of creating caricatures and spreading disinformation…which only adds to the Great Apostasy, the Mormon religion should instead study Catholicism with an open, non-adversarial approach.

 

[KathleenGee]

Tony and the Mormons here on CAF…

This fall, PBS will be showing the ‘Catholicism Project’ in 70% of its stations, a program that took Fr Robert Barron many years to put together. The program is filmed in many places throughout the world, and the ‘dark side’ of the Church is explored – the Crusades, Inquisition, slavery. Four episodes will be shown.

You can get 10 DVD’s at Wordonfire.org…I am looking forward to it…and it will focus on the Catholic Church and its origins— the early martyrs included.

So I hope you all can watch it in your area.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

To Khalid: I too have been very struck by the similarity between the stories of Muhammad and Joseph Smith. But when Jesus started his church, he gave the founders the power to do many miracles. Both Smith and Muhammad gave as their “miracle” the new book they claimed to be from God.

Joseph Smith supposedly admired Muhammad very much.

Good thread.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

Mormons are as anti-Catholic (and racist) as it comes outside of Seventh Day Adventism, but have been toning it down in recent years to try to minimize their differences with Christianity, and have toned down many of their crazier doctrines and practices (e.g. those taken wholesale from Masonic ceremonies, the Heavenly Mother, the Adam-God doctrine, the Eternal Progression) while just “not commenting” on some, so they can be plausibly denied while the parishioners still believe in them (such as the belief that God the Father has a physical body and came down and committed adultery with the Blessed Virgin while she was betrothed to Joseph in order to conceive Jesus, anti-Catholicism), and weaselling around on others (Tritheism).

Just check out any original copy of the “Book of Mormon” with the original “Book of Covenants” (new editions are altered to remove racist and anti-Catholic overtones, but even modern BoMs and Doctrines and Covenants and Books of Abraham aren’t lacking in that department), changes in the Temple endowment ceremony (which used to show a Protestant pastor and a Catholic priest as agents of the Devil and Whore of Babylon, and are drawn straight from Masonism), or a copy of Mormon Doctrine by former General Authority Bruce McConkie, who’s just about as revered as anyone beyond Joseph Smith, Jr. (the “Prophet” who has so many parallels to the other false prophet, Muhammad, that it’s beyond ironic), Brigham Young or Joseph Fielding Smith gets in Mormonism (McConkie is the guy who edited the KJV “Mormon Edition” published by the LDS).

It’s even more ironic that the Mormon church is apostate by its own criteria, but changes slowly enough to attempt to keep its rank-and-file from realizing it and becoming Christians.

On topic: the film is anti-Catholic by repeating constant tropes of falsehood about the Church and the Bible, etc. that are used as mainstays by Jack Chick types.

You mention the Masonic ceremonies in Mormonism…

As a matter of fact, Joseph Smith was a failed Mason.

Yes, indeed.

 

[Ohana]

Tony and the Mormons here on CAF…

This fall, PBS will be showing the ‘Catholicism Project’ in 70% of its stations, a program that took Fr Robert Barron many years to put together. The program is filmed in many places throughout the world, and the ‘dark side’ of the Church is explored – the Crusades, Inquisition, slavery. Four episodes will be shown.

You can get 10 DVD’s at Wordonfire.org…I am looking forward to it…and it will focus on the Catholic Church and its origins— the early martyrs included.

So I hope you all can watch it in your area.

EWTN is showing 6 episodes starting 11/16. On East coast they are broadcast about 11 pm.

 

[KathleenGee]

Thanks for letting us know.

I go to visit the Mormon show, two channels down TV land from the Catholic one. So I hope that the Mormons around here will come down and take time to watch ‘Catholicism’ to learn about our faith objectively, without the filters, etc., and the whatever’s.

 

[bz5]

Tony and the Mormons here on CAF…

This fall, PBS will be showing the ‘Catholicism Project’ in 70% of its stations, a program that took Fr Robert Barron many years to put together. The program is filmed in many places throughout the world, and the ‘dark side’ of the Church is explored – the Crusades, Inquisition, slavery. Four episodes will be shown.

You can get 10 DVD’s at Wordonfire.org…I am looking forward to it…and it will focus on the Catholic Church and its origins— the early martyrs included.

So I hope you all can watch it in your area.

I’ve got the DVR set up. I also noticed that several episodes were going to play, one after another, on EWTN, usually available, I think, with basic cable

 

[KathleenGee]

Thanks…

I hope the Mormons will view this program…from atleast the viewpoint of sociology, anthropolgy, culture and history from the ‘inside line’.

My hope is that they will atleast begin to ‘Catholicism’ as not holders or victims of corrupt doctrine and dominating, power hungry clerics…but a universal class of people enduring in Christ through history from Christianity’s beginning.

You cannot isolate ‘corrupt doctrines’ from its people, without labelling the former.

The Mormons would take a great step forward by not labelling Christian doctrine as corrupt, but different than theirs. Otherwise it is the invalidation of the Christian people themselves.