C&E are over, has your parish finally gotten the new translation down?

[ProVobis]

“And also with you” is still a problem

As it is used outside the English Mass, for example at baptisms and even in the Eastern and Protestant liturgies and secular events, I think this will continue to be a problem. The phrase is just too ingrained in our culture.

 

[Brendan]

1. At the early morning Mass on Easter the Gloria was recited. People didn’t seem to be able to follow it…

We use the Latin Gloria in our parish, so that didn’t change. ( I’d probably be lost on that one too if I went to a different parish)

 

[maryjk]

1. At the early morning Mass on Easter the Gloria was recited. People didn’t seem to be able to follow it.

After we recited it, my neighbor looked at me and said, “that was awkward.” And she was right.

It didn’t help that the choir didn’t know it either. So they are there mumbling and we are trying to figure out what to say next.

 

[Jamietw]

Our Parish are dong quite well apart from when the Priest can’t navigste the new Altar Missal. But our Deacon usually fixes it for him.

 

[LoyalViews]

After we recited it, my neighbor looked at me and said, “that was awkward.” And she was right.

It didn’t help that the choir didn’t know it either. So they are there mumbling and we are trying to figure out what to say next.

Glory to God in the HIGHEST! And on Earth, peace, to pepol foof goowill weee prayzyuand bless adore what you HOSANNA to Earth, peace togoowill?

We have that as well.

 

[maryjk]

Glory to God in the HIGHEST! And on Earth, peace, to pepol foof goowill weee prayzyuand bless adore what you HOSANNA to Earth, peace togoowill?

We have that as well.

You were there!!

 

[markomalley]

We’ve had many feasts in the past months and two major solemnities, as well as the Triduum itself. So is your parish finally getting the new translation down? Musically? Spoken?

The problem with my parish continues to be (as it was with the old translation) that the choir doesn’t sing loudly enough. It’s very bad when no one sings the Ordinary of the Mass except the choir, and they sing-speak it in a medium voice. They want us to sing, but no one will because there is no support from the choir itself.

But as far as acclimatizing to the new words themselves, people pretty much have that down. There were some funny looks from people yesterday, those who had not been to Mass in a long time and were browsing the handouts, but even they basically got it together.

How about your parish now that we’ve been a few months and a few holidays in?

Additionally, there were a few new/changed rubrics for the Triduum. How well did your parish adapt to these?

I just try to say the parts in Latin. Seems to work better.

 

[LilyM]

Ok - we do have a lot of older folks in this area, so they’re not all totally smooth with the responses, but not bad even so.

Still haven’t got the Nicene Creed down pat myself - we tend to alternate with the Apostle’s Creed (why why why was the substitution permitted?) which makes it more difficult.

 

[ProVobis]

… we tend to alternate with the Apostle’s Creed (why why why was the substitution permitted?) which makes it more difficult.

Perhaps it’s a carryover from the days the Apostle’s Creed was taught (read, had to be memorized) in English and the Nicene Creed in Latin, though the latter was generally set to music. There were always questions on the Nicene Creed (filioque, consubstantialem, natus est, etc) to discourage any set translations, not that they haven’t tried. (Just saying.) And as I understand it, the Apostles Creed has now reverted (back) to the more familiar pre-ICEL English translation, as has been almost always used in rosaries and such. Point is that it’s not an easy substitution for most IMO.

 

[JugglingReferee]

You could tell that the Easter Catholics were out because there was a noticeable “and also with you” heard.

 

[Imperial_Guard]

My parish has a lot of CEO (Christmas and Easter only) Catholics, so the Easter Mass was a bit jumbled as the old responses and the new mixed together. At the college chapel, the old people who show up for daily Mass often slip up.

 

[Thomas_Francis]

The only thing that I can’t get down for the life of me is the Sanctus when its just spoken in English. Sung, I’m gravy, but I always start to say power instead of hosts when we just say it.

 

[CatholicZ09]

The only thing that I can’t get down for the life of me is the Sanctus when its just spoken in English. Sung, I’m gravy, but I always start to say power instead of hosts when we just say it.

I have the same problem when the “Our Father” is chanted. I always know what to say when we recite it, but whenever we chant it, I actually have to think about what comes next.

 

[LoyalViews]

I have the same problem when the “Our Father” is chanted. I always know what to say when we recite it, but whenever we chant it, I actually have to think about what comes next.

He who sings, prays twice - St Augustine

That’s why singing is praying twice, I suppose, because you have to think harder and do mini-meditations on almost every word. Which is different than just saying it, I gather!

 

[SMHW]

He who sings, prays twice - St Augustine

That’s why singing is praying twice, I suppose, because you have to think harder and do mini-meditations on almost every word. Which is different than just saying it, I gather!

Huh. It’s just the opposite for me. I don’t have to think when singing/chanting. (Unless I don’t know the notes/tones. )

 

[LilyM]

The only thing that I can’t get down for the life of me is the Sanctus when its just spoken in English. Sung, I’m gravy, but I always start to say power instead of hosts when we just say it.

I’m the same with the Gloria - ‘Lord Jesus Christ, only-begotten Son’ comes easily when we sing it, but saying it I find it aged not to revert to ‘Lord Jesus Christ, only Son of the Father …’

 

[ProVobis]

He who sings, prays twice - St Augustine

That’s why singing is praying twice, I suppose, because you have to think harder and do mini-meditations on almost every word. Which is different than just saying it, I gather!

Actually the phrase is bis orat qui bene cantat… “he who sings well prays twice.”

What St. Augustine did say:

*Qui enim cantat laudem, non solum laudat, sed etiam hilariter laudat; qui cantat laudem, non solum cantat, sed et amat eum quem cantat. In laude confitentis est praedicatio, in cantico amantis affectio…*For he who sings praise, does not only praise, but also praises joyously; he who sings praise, is not only singing, but also loving Him whom he is singing about/to/for. There is a praise-filled public proclamation (praedicatio) in the praise of someone who is confessing/acknowledging (God), in the song of the lover (there is) there is deep love.

wdtprs.com/blog/2006/06/who-sings-well-prays-twice-not/

 

[marytk]

He who sings, prays twice - St Augustine

That’s why singing is praying twice, I suppose, because you have to think harder and do mini-meditations on almost every word. Which is different than just saying it, I gather!

I think it depends on what you are use to. I had to use the “cheat sheets” this week to SAY the Gloria. I do ok when we sing it. Even with the old translation I had to think about it when we said it and I could coast singing. But, it is the other way for the Our Father. When we sing (VERY rare) I have to think more about it. I realize now that is true for some of the responses. as well. I actually like it when I have to think about what I say more.

 

[LoyalViews]

Huh. It’s just the opposite for me. I don’t have to think when singing/chanting. (Unless I don’t know the notes/tones. )

Well then it doesn’t apply to you

Actually the phrase is bis orat qui bene cantat… “he who sings well prays twice.”

What St. Augustine did say:

*Qui enim cantat laudem, non solum laudat, sed etiam hilariter laudat; qui cantat laudem, non solum cantat, sed et amat eum quem cantat. In laude confitentis est praedicatio, in cantico amantis affectio…*For he who sings praise, does not only praise, but also praises joyously; he who sings praise, is not only singing, but also loving Him whom he is singing about/to/for. There is a praise-filled public proclamation (praedicatio) in the praise of someone who is confessing/acknowledging (God), in the song of the lover (there is) there is deep love.

wdtprs.com/blog/2006/06/who-sings-well-prays-twice-not/

He who sings well prays twice.

That doesn’t apply to me then either. I can’t sing a note if it were one I wrote.

 

[kwitz]

I realized today that my own parish actually has the responses down pretty well. Today we went to Mass at my DFIL’s nursing home. Talk about mumbled chaos. For obvious reasons, many of the residents don’t have a clue about the changes. Combine this with the fact that the nursing home is the retirement center for the order of nuns who run the place where many of the nuns won’t say “Him” or “He” in reference to God the Father and it was almost entertaining in a sad sort of way.

Kris