CAF Bible Study - The Gospel of John

[franny33]

Hold on there churchmilitant. Some of us may be able to copy as good as you. But I think you are going too fast. You copied all those verses and we dont know what your opinion is.
So I’ll go back for you to verse 35: And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger: and he that beleivith on me shall never thirst. I beleive again that St John was emphasizing the bread & water / Body & Blood. Already preparing for the Last Supper & so on…I myself have been trying to spot all the places in the Bible which make notion of the Eucharist. I really dont want anyone’s help doing it. I have the Holy Spirit. What a beautiful verse. Sincerely, Franny

 

[Indyann]

I just don’t understand how anyone can read these words and deny the Eucharist. It is just as plain as the nose on your face!

(oh oh. No noses on these faces)

 

[maryj]

Threadus interuptus…After a year long battle, I lost my mother yesterday morning at 4 a.m. She died peacefully in my arms. And though it is overwhelmingly sad, I am comforted by the fact that she no longer suffers here with us. She has eaten The Bread of Life, she has taught me to eat of this bread, and I am joyous that she is now with our Lord. As His promise told us, she will not hunger or thirst again. I chose the readings for her funeral from John, it was always her favorite Gospel. For communion we will sing “I am the Bread of Life”
“Whomever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink.” Thank you merciful saviour for taking her to paradise. Amen.

 

[NotWorthy]

Amen, maryj!

May your mother rest in peace!

 

[Nordar]

I don’t post on here but I read all the posts, Mary my prayers are with you. I want to thank you all for this thread I really love it!

 

[vern_humphrey]

I am not sure where this took place, but often public speakers would use a hill or cliff or other natural feature behind the crowd to help the speaker’s voice be heard.

A technique often used by professional speakers in those days was to station repeaters in the crowd. The speaker would say a sentence or two, and wait while the repeaters repeated it to those beyond them.

 

[katy]

Mary, I am sorry for your loss, but I am so thankful you have the Christian comfort of knowing our Lord will take tender care of your mom.

 

[franny33]

maryj, I am so sorry for your loss. The Lord blessed you if you’ve had this last year together no matter how troublesome it might have been at times. Now have some quiet times with the rest of your family. Peace be with you. Sincerely, Franny

 

[Church_Militant]

Threadus interuptus…After a year long battle, I lost my mother yesterday morning at 4 a.m. She died peacefully in my arms. And though it is overwhelmingly sad, I am comforted by the fact that she no longer suffers here with us. She has eaten The Bread of Life, she has taught me to eat of this bread, and I am joyous that she is now with our Lord. As His promise told us, she will not hunger or thirst again. I chose the readings for her funeral from John, it was always her favorite Gospel. For communion we will sing “I am the Bread of Life”
“Whomever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink.” Thank you merciful saviour for taking her to paradise. Amen.

Mary,
I’m really sorry for your loss. My own sainted Mother finished her race into the arms of Our Lord a couple of years ago and like yours she was a major factor in my journey of faith.

May Our Lord send you the Holy Spirit, the Comforter and may He grant her eternal rest and may perpetual light shine upon her.

 

[Church_Militant]

Hold on there churchmilitant. Some of us may be able to copy as good as you. But I think you are going too fast. You copied all those verses and we don’t know what your opinion is.
So I’ll go back for you to verse 35: And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger: and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. I believe again that St John was emphasizing the bread & water / Body & Blood. Already preparing for the Last Supper & so on…I myself have been trying to spot all the places in the Bible which make notion of the Eucharist. I really don’t want anyone’s help doing it. I have the Holy Spirit. What a beautiful verse. Sincerely, Franny

I have an opinion? When did that happen?

Verses 23-31 seem to show just how weird people are. They just came from a miraculous feeding, and now they want to finagle a permanent arrangement to get fed all the time.

They even hint that they may be privy to how the Lord got there and want to see “tricks” and “signs”. What is with us human beings anyway?

I guess this also goes to show us how the crowd could actually miss his meaning. Still, (as this account goes on…) I think we can get into this more.

 

[maryj]

Thank you all Maryj

 

[Church_Militant]

 

[maryj]

Please let us continue… hit it CM.

 

[franny33]

I just don’t understand how anyone can read these words and deny the Eucharist. It is just as plain as the nose on your face!

Indyann, Yes, I agree again, there are so many places in the Bible where there is Jesus and is the Eucharist; One and the Same.
I love the Eucharist. I have a specail time with Jesus when I receive the Eucharist at Mass. My hands are trembling and my heart is throbbing right now, just trying to put my feelings in words.
I only started reading the Bible seriously 5 yrs ago, when all my other responsibilities ended. And I had more free time. Thank God, He gave me more time to learn how to be a better Catholic and to adore Him. (I’m a cradle Catholic age 57)
In the Book of John, I especailly feel as if I am right there walking with Jesus, when I read. Almost every time, I feel as if the Holy Spirit comes down upon me. And I am full of love and joy for Jesus. Before I know it, my face is full of tears. Some are tears of Joy, some are crying tears. Many of these times I have felt totally exhausted, and/or emotionally sorrowfull. But I continue to read for hours. I am full of emotions of ups & downs. I dont want to expound any deeper on this unless others want to talk. I have read thru so many threads about the Bible, but no-one talks about how they feel when reading. Does anyone have similar feeings that they might want to share?
Sincerely, Franny

 

[Huiou_Theou]

Hi Church Militant!

25 When they found him on the other side of the sea, they said to him, “Rabbi, when did you come here?”

funny how the don’t ask the question the obvious way – HOW did you get here? They pretend he slipped out when they weren’t looking… But then again, they would have to admit a miracle – and then how could they ask for a sign to fill the belly today?

26 Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, you seek me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves.

yep – thaaats it! Do it again. (This people’s God is their belly.)

27 Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of man will give to you; for on him has God the Father set his seal."

Pure bread – GOD inspected. Do the WORK of God to get it.

28 Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?”

How do we make wonderbread?

29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

The work YOU DO is faith. Faith is a work.
(Not going to tell you.)



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What an interesting passage…

 

[Church_Militant]

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh."
52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;
54 he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me.
58 This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live for ever.” 59 This he said in the synagogue, as he taught at Caperna-um.
60 Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?”

This is an amazing passage!

In the context of all the miracles that Jesus used to display His power, and they can’t accept this?

I sure don’t see anything figurative here, and it’s clear that the crowd and even the apostles didn’t either.

One of the most telling things I think of in relation to this is St. Ignatius of Antioch’s letter to the Smyrna Church which says;

They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer,(7) because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again. Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death(11) in the midst of their disputes. But it were better for them to treat it with respect,(13) that they also might rise again. It is fitting, therefore, that ye should keep aloof from such persons, and not to speak of(15) them either in private or in public, but to give heed to the prophets, and above all, to the Gospel, in which the passion[of Christ] has been revealed to us, and the resurrection has been fully proved.(16) But avoid all divisions, as the beginning of evils. …It is fitting, therefore, that ye should keep aloof from such persons, and neither in private nor in public to talk with(15) them; but to give heed to the law, and the prophets, and to those who have preached to you the word of salvation. But flee from all abominable heresies, and those that cause schisms, as the beginning of evils.

(Chapter 7)

 

[mgrfin]

All I can say is that the first 18 lines of this Gospel, the Prologue, is packed with more Catholic Doctrine than any other 18 verses of the Bible. …!

The Prologue was called the Last Gospel in the Tridentine Mass, and it was said everyday during the Liturgy.
It was a very powerful reading, which it still is today:

In principio erat Verbum et Verbum erat apud Deum, et Deus erat Verbum. Hoc erat in principio apud Deum. Omnia per ipsum facta sunt, et sine ipso factum est nihil quod factum est; in ipso vita erat, et vita erat lux hominum; et lux in tenebris lucet, et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt
Fuit homo missus a Deo cui nomen erat Joannes. Hic venit in testimonium, ut testimonium perhiberet de lumine, ut omnes crederent per illum. Non erat ille lux, sed ut testimonium perhiberet de lumine. Erat lux vera quae illuminat omnem hominem venientem in hunc mundum. In mundo erat, et mundus per ipsum factus est et mundus eum non cognovit. In propria venit, et sui eum non receperunt. Quotquot autem receperunt eum, dedit eis potestatem filios Dei fieri; his qui credunt in nomine ejus, qui non ex sanguinibus, neque ex voluntate viri, sed ex deo nati sunt. (Genuflectit dicens ET VERBUM CARO FACTUM EST (et surgens prosequitur et habitabit in nobis; et vidimus gloriam ejus gloriam quasi Unigenti a Patre, plenum gratiae et veritatis

 

[katy]

This is on the top of the list of my favorite Bible sections. We are fortunate to have both a reverent NO and the TLM at my parish. One of the things I love about the TLM is the opportunity to hear this section of the Gospel proclaimed again. I wish it was in the NO as well; English or Latin doesn’t matter to me. It says so much so well in such a short space.

 

[Church_Militant]

The Prologue was called the Last Gospel in the Tridentine Mass, and it was said everyday during the Liturgy.
It was a very powerful reading, which it still is today:

In principio erat Verbum et Verbum erat apud Deum, et Deus erat Verbum. Hoc erat in principio apud Deum. Omnia per ipsum facta sunt, et sine ipso factum est nihil quod factum est; in ipso vita erat, et vita erat lux hominum; et lux in tenebris lucet, et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt
Fuit homo missus a Deo cui nomen erat Joannes. Hic venit in testimonium, ut testimonium perhiberet de lumine, ut omnes crederent per illum. Non erat ille lux, sed ut testimonium perhiberet de lumine. Erat lux vera quae illuminat omnem hominem venientem in hunc mundum. In mundo erat, et mundus per ipsum factus est et mundus eum non cognovit. In propria venit, et sui eum non receperunt. Quotquot autem receperunt eum, dedit eis potestatem filios Dei fieri; his qui credunt in nomine ejus, qui non ex sanguinibus, neque ex voluntate viri, sed ex deo nati sunt. (Genuflectit dicens ET VERBUM CARO FACTUM EST (et surgens prosequitur et habitabit in nobis; et vidimus gloriam ejus gloriam quasi Unigenti a Patre, plenum gratiae et veritatis

For those whose Latin isn’t very good, that is John 1:1-15.

Someone is a bit behind (6 chapters to be exact.) in the study.

 

[NotWorthy]

For those whose Latin isn’t very good, that is John 1:1-15.

Someone is a bit behind (6 chapters to be exact.) in the study.

That’s all right!!! Good News is Good News! Just as Gospel is Gospel! But, I repeat myself!

Welcome mgrfin!!!