Cain Surges in Latest Gallup

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purplesunshine said:
The idea of flat tax has brought countries from the brink of disaster to ecomomic boom. Infact, some of the only fiscally solvent countries have a flat tax and they all have low unemployment.
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The current percentage structure of the corporate income tax in the U.S. is the highest in the industrialized world.

Cutting it sharply … like to 9% would be an excellent idea. Hampering the job creation sector with an income tax defies logic.

Actually, the corporate income tax should be zero.

You really don’t want to tax economic growth in the name of “fairness” … makes no sense. Might as well tax breathing … in the name of “fairness”.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Again his 999 plan is unproven, there is no guarentee, and no-one is “slamming” him. Sorry you interpret opinion as insult.

I’m not sure who I will vote for. The only one I see with a solid financial plan is Paul. I’m not sure the best candidate has even come foward yet. Its a pick your poison situation as I have stated.

Peace
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Gary, we all express opinion here, some of us state it as fact. Cain’s plan is not proven, but then we elected a president in 2008 that was not proven and look where we are now. Cain backs the fair tax and I think (opinion) that is a good idea and I think he is headed in that direction. The fair tax would bring in funds from those who do not now pay income taxes, including illegals. It would also gather taxes from those who are paid under the table. Not a bad idea, in my mind. Again, an opinion. Rep. Paul has some good ideas, but he has less of a chance of getting the nomination than Cain. He does not connect with the majority of the electorate.
 
Personanongrata said:
I just watched him on MEET THE PRESS. When it comes to abortion, his exception is when it comes to saving a mother’s life. He said, if that were the situation, then the FAMILY would have to make the decision. So he is not completely pro life, if you believe there is such a thing.

Also, he finally tried to further explain his 999 plan. He had to admit that taxes will go up for some, but he insisted not for all. By the time he finished, it was clear that the middle class and the poor will suffer under his tax plan. For that reason, he will not get the GOP nomination.

He’s giving it a good try though. But it still looks like the GOP is stuck with Romney.

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It’s just terrible, how are the Republicans going to manage with Romney; he has only got executive experience in the business and private sector as well as being a governor. He has a strong pro life record. He has the ability to reach Independents too. To top it all off he is a great debater. He has a national organization, he knows how to create jobs. * What a truly mediocre candidate. *
 
_Abyssinia said:
It’s just terrible, how are the Republicans going to manage with Romney; he has only got executive experience in the business and private sector as well as being a governor. He has a strong pro life record. He has the ability to reach Independents too. To top it all off he is a great debater. He has a national organization, he knows how to create jobs. * What a truly mediocre candidate. *
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He is also a MAJOR flip-flopper, the author of that monstrosity known as “RomneyCare,” which both directly inspired ObamaCare and looks like he would also try to ram through as law when the American people was not looking, not “trustworthy” enough to the staunch conservative wing of his own party, and yes, “attractive” to the very moderate, independent sector of the population. Which some folks say IS a problem. And he also has tendency to “adapt” himself to whatever situation presents itself to him politically---------to many (rightly or wrongly), that looks like he does “not have any true convictions.”

I have had three people in my church say to me-----“I will vote for him even though he is not really a Christian and we need to get Obama out of the White House-----but I just DON’T trust him.” And these are strong conservative Eastern Catholics here, not “cafeteria catholics.”

Yep, he is an excellent candidate. 👍🤷
 
bbarrick8383 said:
Which party would do that?

Cain’s plan get’s rid of income taxes, it does away with hidden taxes that you already purchase and places a tax that is transparent so everyone knows exactly what they are paying.

Not that I believe he could get it passed, but I like the idea better than income taxes.
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What part of 9-9-9 gets rid of income taxes? The first 9 is the income tax.

I’m for a flat tax, but not for a flat tax and a sales tax. He also insists the plan is “revenue neutral” which is terrible. We need LOWER taxes, not equal taxes to today, no matter how it is collected.

And Cain still has not proposed anything that he would cut in the government. Our problem is SPENDING, not revenue.
 
Cain has given no opinion on whether he believes outsourcing jobs is a good or bad thing for America…

Mitt Romney believes that outsourcing is both good and bad - “We’re seeing jobs leave our state [Massachusetts] and go to Asia. It’s a wonderful thing in some respects, but a little frightening in others. We’ve had jobs go from our state in the past. Textile came here [South Carolina], and ultimately left here and went off to Asia. We’ve had low end jobs leave our country before… But now we are seeing some high end jobs also leave our country… This is great news that they [developing countries] are getting into the world economy… They’ll be able to buy our products and services from this country. So it’s good news, but it’s also a challenge because we want to make sure that this country always remains the superpower economically and militarily of this planet.”. 2008election.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=1658

…But how can Romney believe this when those in the East tend to save most of their money and buy very little imports if any at all… They’re just not “consumers” like those of us in the West. Our dollars are basically just feeding the governments of those countries. 🤷
 
Ron Paul is clearly aware of the problem with outsourcing…

“Outsourcing is a reflection of a bad economic environment domestically. If you fix that, you fix outsourcing. Our primary export is paper money, and that should change if you change the monetary policy. We should drop the Overseas Investment Protection Corporation – which makes taxpayers cover losses for US companies doing business in foreign countries”. 2008election.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=1658
 
SwordofLight said:
What part of 9-9-9 gets rid of income taxes? The first 9 is the income tax.

I’m for a flat tax, but not for a flat tax and a sales tax. He also insists the plan is “revenue neutral” which is terrible. We need LOWER taxes, not equal taxes to today, no matter how it is collected.

And Cain still has not proposed anything that he would cut in the government. Our problem is SPENDING, not revenue.
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It’s still an income tax per se, I may be wrong on this and probably am, what I understood was that it does away with the current income tax system as in it will no longer be withheld from your paycheck whether you like it or not. Instead, you pay it as you would pay any other bill and you know exactly what you owe. Would it get rid of April 15th? I dunno, would be nice if it did though.

I can’t remember half of what I heard on the radio the other day, but I really enjoyed the conversation Cain’s guy had on the radio. They talked about everything, including real estate and foreign trade.

If I remember right, he said something about a real estate transaction would not be taxed but the service of selling the real estate would.

I agree with you that the problem is spending, but this plan would make all taxes more apparent and spread the weight around so that the 47 percent who pay nothing will pay some.

That includes myself who get’s paid to file my income taxes every year. Call me stupid if you want but I’m advocating a system where I would go from profiting every year when I file my taxes to contributing.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Best is “subjective” his 999 financial proposal is a disaster which has zero indication of working, and it places enormous tax on guess who…the Middle Class.🤷
Also as far as campaign funding Cain is going to have to raise more funds or he won’t even be a viable candidate. Of Course Obama has the most funding followed by Perry, Romney. Some where below comes Paul.
I like his Pro-Life message, however Heath as we spoke about on many thread here, is but one aspect of Government control. There are Seven. Religion is another he is in line with. The most important today is “economy”. Yes we all want Pro-Life and a Christian based society, its gonna happen regardless who gets in. I doubt you could get in otherwise. We would all love to see a devote Christian. But we must turn the economy around “correctly” not with some half-cocked plan one “thinks” might works. There’s a well paved, proven path to success in this country. All you have do is follow it with a 100% effort.
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If you think out of the box and do the math, the 9-9-9 Plan works. Everyone takes responsibility and shares equally according to income and personal spending.
The currrent economic plan used in the USA by Obama and his appointees and Congress, obviously does not work.
Cutting government spending and waste goes a long way is important. In one of the earlier debates, this was covered by Cain (about 9/23/11).

It is naive to assume that a moral Christian with good family values will automatically get into office. - Look at the mess we have right now with immoral Obama.

Only the old-line ‘Party politicians’ (same old, same old) do not think Cain can beat Obama.
The Liberal Media does not want Cain because he can beat Obama.

Following the Constitution is important. Cain also covered this in a debate in latter Sept.
 
Herman Cain certainly has a future in politics. I really like him. He is the only one that I half way trust so far other than Michele Bachmann. All the others EXCEPT for Romney I would vote for. I don’t trust him at all. He of course would at least be better than Obama…anyone would, so if it came down do it, of course he would get my vote. I think once in Office however, he would fly by the seat of his pants. Way too flip floppy. Cain is MUCH more solid, and much more trustworthy. The only thing I would worry about with him would be his lack of foreign policy experience. A BIG WORRY, but like Cain himself said in one of the debates…how is the present administration’s foreign policy workin for us? Even with Cain’s lack of experience, he would be better.

I try to keep in mind that campaigning is a completely different animal than actually sitting behind the desk in the Oval Office. Character is everything. Once you actually have to call the shots, your true character comes through. Look at Obama! How many flip flops have we seen? Let me count the ways! And yes, I do believe the MSM is wrong…Cain could definitely beat Obama in '12. Obama has been the worst President that I have lived through in my lifetime. We can’t get him out of Office fast enough.
 
SwordofLight said:
What is to stop the 9-9-9 plan from becoming the 20-20-20 plan over a future Pelosi?

You either have an income tax or a sales tax, you can’t have both.

This plan also comes from the guy who didn’t recognize the Housing Bubble ([ronpaul2012.com/2011/10/13/ca(name removed by moderator)aul-on-the-housing-bubble/](http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2011/10/13/ca(name removed by moderator)aul-on-the-housing-bubble/)) (ronpaul2012.com/2011/10/13/video-paulcain-comparison-on-housing-bubble/) and thought the economy was on “sound footing” ONE WEEK before it crashed.
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What stops income tax from being 55% to 90% today? What stops sales taxes from being 15%?
 
SalesianSDB said:
“Mitt Romney” on SNL last night said, "Before going home with Mitt Romney, [voters] are going to take one last lap around the bar to see if there’s anyone better than me, and I’m okay with that.”
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The guy who does Romney is pretty good!!!
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Just FYI: I believe the same article is being discussed in the World News forum and is already up to 3 pages.
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Editing to correct self: Same subject, but perhaps different article. (Same news source; that’s what threw me off.)
 
juliee said:
Herman Cain Presses No Compromise Pro-Life View on Abortion

Washington, DC – Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain pressed a no compromise pro-life view on abortion during a weekend interview with Meet The Press, and told host David Gregory he would not support abortion, including in cases of rape or incest.

lifenews.com/2011/10/17/herman-cain-presses-no-compromise-pro-life-view-on-abortion/
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O goody goody:clapping:

Now all he has to do is win the GOP nomination. Does he have enough money.:rolleyes:

He will also need a majority of anti-abortion voters in the House, and 60 anti-abortion voters in the Senate. :hmmm:

Then he will need one of the Supreme Court members to retire, so he can push an anti-abortion Judge through the Senate. Very very important to have 60 votes here. :slapfight:

Then, as was the case with Prohibition, he will have to figure out how to enforce the Law.:coffeeread:

We have an interesting year of campaigning ahead of us:popcorn:
 
TEPO said:
Mitt Romney believes that outsourcing is both good and bad - “But now we are seeing some high end jobs also leave our country… This is great news that they [developing countries] are getting into the world economy… They’ll be able to buy our products and services from this country…”
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They’ll be able to buy our goods and services?

What good and services, Mitt? We don’t make goods and services here any more, they all went overseas, remember?

Hel-lo! McFly!
 
Wolseley said:
They’ll be able to buy our goods and services?

What good and services, Mitt? We don’t make goods and services here any more, they all went overseas, remember?

Hel-lo! McFly!
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Rich_Olszewski said:
Not quite.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44673674/ns/business-careers/t/states-losing-most-jobs-china/
“nearly half a million jobs were lost or displaced from 2008 to 2010 alone. The joblessness problem in the U.S. is so severe that any added erosion of employment opportunities from forces outside the country will make a recovery of the American economy all the more difficult.”

"EPI research does not make an exact forecast of how many more American jobs may be lost"

I personally believe that while “outsourcing” may not be the root cause of the economic crisis, it appears evident that it is anchoring the economy down and preventing recovery.

You see, there is a huge, huge difference between import/export issues and outsourcing issues, and the problem is outsourcing… That’s why the new “Chinese Currency Bill” is junk. It only serves to add-in currency manipulation charges onto U.S Tariffs of Chinese imports that are tied to illegal trade practices such as copyright type infringes… But that makes no sense. It won’t help.

We need bi-partisan teamwork to solve this one. Lower Corporate taxes and regulations… Increased corporate taxes on the outsourcers, not the rich.
 
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