Cain Surges in Latest Gallup

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As long as Cain makes his position ambiguous enough, be certain that the well lobbied republican catholics will stand by and defend him or Romney over Obama. They will say that since Obama is adamantly pro-choice that you MUST vote for the lesser of two evilsā€“Cain or Romney. To support a 3rd party is wrong.

There is a flip side to the catholic democrats who put politics over religion, itā€™s the catholic republicans who do the same. Mostly because of greed.
 
Pork_Roll said:
As long as Cain makes his position ambiguous enough, be certain that the well lobbied republican catholics will stand by and defend him or Romney over Obama. They will say that since Obama is adamantly pro-choice that you MUST vote for the lesser of two evilsā€“Cain or Romney. To support a 3rd party is wrong.

There is a flip side to the catholic democrats who put politics over religion, itā€™s the catholic republicans who do the same. Mostly because of greed.
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Donā€™t forget the other group: the ā€œtrue believersā€ who sacrifice the good (and possible) for the perfect (and impossible). It makes them ā€œfeelā€ good that they are voting for the perfect candidate who has absolutely no chance of winning. Often the result of their votes is for evil to prevail. I truly hope that in 2012 they will wise up.

Ishii
 
Personanongrata said:
In my opinion, if he has NO chance of getting the nomination, then heā€™s on a book tour. But it could turn into a FOX show a la Palin.
I am also convinced that he is pro-life. But he does not want to be involved in personal family decisions. Abortion is a personal family decision. He believes that the decision to have an abortion is a family matter. Therefore, he is not ā€œreallyā€ pro-life according to the platform of the so-called Republican party.
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I am personally opposed to rape but wouldnā€™t want to interfere with someone elseā€™s decision to rape.

Ishii
 
mary_bobo said:
Donā€™t think Cain is just on a book tour. He left an almost 7 figure opportunity to join the campaign, so please donā€™t be so quick to negate him. He probably will not get the nomination, but to say he would not sign a bill abolishing or restricting abortion if it hit his desk is simply supposition and not correct. I have heard him speak many times before he ever thought about running for president and I am absolutely convinced that he is pro-life.
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I agree somewhat with Charles Krauthammer. Cainā€™s performance in this interview was weak - he seemed to be incoherent and ā€œwinging it.ā€ Is he ready for prime time? I have been saying all along that we need a good communicator to challenge Obama and this interview (along with his 999 plan) has me wondering about Cainā€™s effectiveness as a nominee. I would still vote for him of course.

realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/21/krauthammer_cain_is_incoherent_and_winging_it.html

Ishii
 
Donā€™t forget the other group: the ā€œtrue believersā€ who sacrifice the good (and possible) for the perfect (and impossible). It makes them ā€œfeelā€ good that they are voting for the perfect candidate who has absolutely no chance of winning. Often the result of their votes is for evil to prevail. I truly hope that in 2012 they will wise up.
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This is a good point and voting republican may be the best option, but what Iā€™m objecting to is that sometimes catholics believe that you are not a good catholic unless you vote for the republican because he is more pro-life than the democrat. The 3rd option is to vote your conscience and vote for the best candidate. If we always vote for the lesser of two evils, that is all we will get.

There is a lot of room for debate on this subject.
 
Pork_Roll said:
This is a good point and voting republican may be the best option, but what Iā€™m objecting to is that sometimes catholics believe that you are not a good catholic unless you vote for the republican because he is more pro-life than the democrat. The 3rd option is to vote your conscience and vote for the best candidate. If we always vote for the lesser of two evils, that is all we will get.

There is a lot of room for debate on this subject.
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Itā€™s not choosing a ā€œlesser evilā€. We can never choose to do evil, or vote for it. Rather by voting for Obamaā€™s rival we choose to limit the evil the president will do by voting for a candidate who, although imperfect, will not do as much harm. I would say that a fully informed Catholic is not being a ā€œgood Catholicā€ if he votes for a president who has done everything in his power to promote and spread abortion.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Why do you care whether Cain is pro life or not, when I believe you have said on another thread you will vote for Obama?
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Oops, Iā€™m sorry. Yes, I am supporting Obama, but I didnā€™t know that meant I couldnā€™t comment on any of the Republican candidates. Is that a new CAF rule??? I must have missed it.

Mybad.

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Pork_Roll said:
This is a good point and voting republican may be the best option, but what Iā€™m objecting to is that sometimes catholics believe that you are not a good catholic unless you vote for the republican because he is more pro-life than the democrat. The 3rd option is to vote your conscience and vote for the best candidate. If we always vote for the lesser of two evils, that is all we will get.

There is a lot of room for debate on this subject.
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There is room for debate indeed. I definitely come down on the ā€œvote for the lesser of two evilsā€ side. I would also say that I probably donā€™t see the Republican candidate as ā€œthe lesser of two evilsā€ as much as others do - such as independents or Democrats who are pro-life. I see Republicans as generally pro-life but hamstrung by a terrible supreme court decision called Roe V Wade. I find those who get fed up with Republicans seem to attach expectations that are very unrealistic - expecting the GOP to somehow outlaw abortion in spite of the Supreme court decision. The Republicans can and do make changes at the margins of abortion law - parental consent, etc, at the federal and state level, but they canā€™t do much until Roe V Wade gets overturned. The question comes down to "who do you want picking the next one or two supreme court justices, Obama or a GOP nominee like Romney or Perry?

Ishii
 
I have no problem with Cain. listening to Donald Trump the other night was interesting in his view of Obama and the economy though.

Fact is all of them including Obama have the right to run, in fact believe it or not Obama earned that right as current President. However, I see no chance of him getting in, I hear no-one in public speaking with rave reviews on Obama.

In this area I have three very close friends whom are ministers in the Baptist Church. Two in CT one in Phil, PA. Due to Obama we have stayed in close contact through this past year. Iā€™m not hearing anything but a Pro-Life message, nor am I hearing anyone speaking on other Christian churchs but in relation to the world Christian/Catholic persecution. I see people making an effort to disturb their comfortability and come together for a very worthy cause. And the impression I have been left with, is an effort to appeal to the greater good and put all differences aside.

I believe from what Iā€™m seeing throughout New-England in person, the Pro-LIfe issue is seriously going to heat up this year in protest. People are outraged and clearly intend to rally and speak out this coming year.

If your hearing something different in your area Christian churchs Iā€™d be interested in hearing what. I hear Pro-Life as the general message. Biblically speaking I donā€™t know how any other cooperation is justified, In fact Iā€™m convinced those of no faith who are decent moral individuals would also agree in this period of social-transistion. Life is the choice we must choose to support on a wholesale level.

There have probly been more murders on the streets of America since 01 than the entire conflict in the middle east and thats on ā€œboth-sidesā€ When we consider Abortion isnā€™t even in the equation its alarming. We live in a period now where the word Love is used for anything, I love Chocolate, I love the color Green, I love my car, I love that picture. When love is reduced to a mere word, than the counter-opposite must increase.

Odd about individual candidates though. In Mass. Iā€™m not hearing an overwhelming cry for Romeny. In fact I see most voters in a process of listening with a lack of ā€œoverwhelmingā€ interest for any of the candidates including Obama.

However its an individual point of view by me. You may well hear something very different in the social circles you travel.

Peace
 
Personanongrata said:
Oops, Iā€™m sorry. Yes, I am supporting Obama, but I didnā€™t know that meant I couldnā€™t comment on any of the Republican candidates. Is that a new CAF rule??? I must have missed it.

Mybad.

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You can ask what you want, I just find it kind of weird that you care about pro life at all, since you support Obama and he is the most pro abortion president ever.
 
GaryTaylor said:
I have no problem with Cain. listening to Donald Trump the other night was interesting in his view of Obama and the economy though.

Fact is all of them including Obama have the right to run, in fact believe it or not Obama earned that right as current President. However, I see no chance of him getting in, I hear no-one in public speaking with rave reviews on Obama.

In this area I have three very close friends whom are ministers in the Baptist Church. Two in CT one in Phil, PA. Due to Obama we have stayed in close contact through this past year. Iā€™m not hearing anything but a Pro-Life message, nor am I hearing anyone speaking on other Christian churchs but in relation to the world Christian/Catholic persecution. I see people making an effort to disturb their comfortability and come together for a very worthy cause. And the impression I have been left with, is an effort to appeal to the greater good and put all differences aside.

I believe from what Iā€™m seeing throughout New-England in person, the Pro-LIfe issue is seriously going to heat up this year in protest. People are outraged and clearly intend to rally and speak out this coming year.

If your hearing something different in your area Christian churchs Iā€™d be interested in hearing what. I hear Pro-Life as the general message. Biblically speaking I donā€™t know how any other cooperation is justified, In fact Iā€™m convinced those of no faith who are decent moral individuals would also agree in this period of social-transistion. Life is the choice we must choose to support on a wholesale level.

There have probly been more murders on the streets of America since 01 than the entire conflict in the middle east and thats on ā€œboth-sidesā€ When we consider Abortion isnā€™t even in the equation its alarming. We live in a period now where the word Love is used for anything, I love Chocolate, I love the color Green, I love my car, I love that picture. When love is reduced to a mere word, than the counter-opposite must increase.

Odd about individual candidates though. In Mass. Iā€™m not hearing an overwhelming cry for Romeny. In fact I see most voters in a process of listening with a lack of ā€œoverwhelmingā€ interest for any of the candidates including Obama.

However its an individual point of view by me. You may well hear something very different in the social circles you travel.

Peace
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Republicans are more excited than Democrats in voting in 2012:

thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/polls/184609-republicans-more-excited-than-dems-about-voting-in-2012-poll-says-
 
Personanongrata said:
Oops, Iā€™m sorry. Yes, I am supporting Obama, but I didnā€™t know that meant I couldnā€™t comment on any of the Republican candidates. Is that a new CAF rule??? I must have missed it.
Mybad.
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You may not vote for OBAMA or any other pro-abortion politician if you wish to continue to receive Holy Communion.

In the USA there are no ā€œproportionate reasonsā€ - to the evil of murdering about 1 MILLION innocent babies each year.

Here is the link to: ā€œWORTHINESS to RECEIVE HOLY COMMUNION, General Principlesā€ by Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict).
priestsforlife.org/magisterium/bishops/04-07ratzingerommunion.htm
 
ANNE_2 said:
You may not vote for OBAMA or any other pro-abortion politician if you wish to continue to receive Holy Communion.

In the USA there are no ā€œproportionate reasonsā€ - to the evil of murdering about 1 MILLION innocent babies each year.

Here is the link to: ā€œWORTHINESS to RECEIVE HOLY COMMUNION, General Principlesā€ by Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict).
priestsforlife.org/magisterium/bishops/04-07ratzingerommunion.htm
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Why does it say ā€œsuspendedā€ under your name???
 
ANNE_2 said:
You may not vote for OBAMA or any other pro-abortion politician if you wish to continue to receive Holy Communion.

In the USA there are no ā€œproportionate reasonsā€ - to the evil of murdering about 1 MILLION innocent babies each year.

Here is the link to: ā€œWORTHINESS to RECEIVE HOLY COMMUNION, General Principlesā€ by Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict).
priestsforlife.org/magisterium/bishops/04-07ratzingerommunion.htm
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To any lurkers- this is not correct. Catholics may not vote for a Pro-Choice candidate because they approve of this view. A Catholic may only vote for such a candedate DESPITE their views on abortion- feeling that proportionate reasons lead them, in their conscience to vote for said candidate. .

The Curch does NOT teach that a Catholic who votes for a Pro-Choice candidate may not receive communion.
 
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