Cairo protesters scale U.S. Embassy wall, remove flag

[scipio337]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the rest of the world doesn’t commemorate 9/11. I didn’t know it was the anniversary until an American colleague mentioned.

If it was planned for this day, it wasn’t by the Egyptians or the Libyans

Most of the world doesn’t consider Osama bin Laden a “martyr” either. Obviously, if you’re willing to kill to “defend Muhammed”, or raise the black jihadist flag stating “There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger”, you might view world events a little differently.

I don’t think the timing was intentional by anyone. From what I’ve read, the movie was made in 2011, and released in July of this year, and posted on youtube. It was recently translated into Arabic on youtube, which is when people started taking notice of it.

thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/obscure-film-mocking-muslim-prophet-sparks-anti-u-s-protests-in-egypt-and-libya/

 

[maryjk]

I think this is a bit of a ‘America is the centre of the World’ mentality here, does any other country commemorate 7/7? American TV removed the 7/7 commemoration from the Olympic Opening Ceremony in their broadcast.

How many people died on 7/7? Thousands? Hundreds? Oh, that’s right, it was something like 52, right?

You do know that 68, from the United Kingdom, died on 9/11, right? That doesn’t count the hundreds, no sorry, thousands that died in total.

Think that instead of this being “a bit of America is the center of the world,” it is, “Many countries lost people on 9/11, not just America.”

 

[gnjsdad]

This is what the US is up against…

Israeli producer of anti-Islam movie that sparked attacks says he made it to help his country

Excerpt…

Yesterday, the US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, was killed in an attack on the American consulate in Benghazi. Three other staff members of the consulate were also killed. The attack came as protests took place in Libya and Egypt over an American-made YouTube video that mocked Islam and the prophet Muhammad.

The video was financed and posted to YouTube by Sam Bacile, a 52-year old Israeli real estate developer based in California. There are reports that Bacile has gone into hiding since yesterday’s violence. This Associated Press report says Bacile made the film because he thought it would help Israel, and that he raised the $5 million to make the film from “more than 100 Jewish donors”. Thus Islamophobia comes from Israel to the U.S.:

 

[SamH]

I don’t think the timing was intentional by anyone. From what I’ve read, the movie was made in 2011, and released in July of this year, and posted on youtube. It was recently translated into Arabic on youtube, which is when people started taking notice of it.

As you state nothing was specific about the timing. Several of these “triggers” happened over a year ago, some months ago. But the attack on the embassy was on 9-11, that does seem intentional.

 

[SamH]

This is what the US is up against…

Israeli producer of anti-Islam movie that sparked attacks says he made it to help his country

Excerpt…

Yesterday, the US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, was killed in an attack on the American consulate in Benghazi. Three other staff members of the consulate were also killed. The attack came as protests took place in Libya and Egypt over an American-made YouTube video that mocked Islam and the prophet Muhammad.

The video was financed and posted to YouTube by Sam Bacile, a 52-year old Israeli real estate developer based in California. There are reports that Bacile has gone into hiding since yesterday’s violence. This Associated Press report says Bacile made the film because he thought it would help Israel, and that he raised the $5 million to make the film from “more than 100 Jewish donors”. Thus Islamophobia comes from Israel to the U.S.:

Is it really “Islamophobia” when Islamics kill people over what some people claim they saw on a Utube video?

 

[scipio337]

This is what the US is up against…

The US is “up against” a private citizen making a film critical of Muhammed?

Advantage, US! What do we do, block access to youtube? Make “insulting the Prophet” a capital offense?

 

[CatholicSheila]

How many people died on 7/7? Thousands? Hundreds? Oh, that’s right, it was something like 52, right?

You do know that 68, from the United Kingdom, died on 9/11, right? That doesn’t count the hundreds, not sorry, thousands that died in total.

Think that instead of this being a bit of America is the center of the world, it is, Many countries lost people on 9/11, not just America.

I’ll take that as a no, you don’t commemorate attacks that occurred in other countries.

You know why? Because you’re much more sensitive to events that happen in your own country that you are to those in other countries. It’s natural. It’s ok that you don’t commemorate the Bali bombings or 7/7.

And it’s ok that we don’t. For you to expect non-Americans to think the same way about 9/11 as you do is ridiculous.

 

[SamH]

The US is “up against” a private citizen making a film critical of Muhammed?

Advantage, US! What do we do, block access to youtube? Make “insulting the Prophet” a capital offense?

From what I understand it was exactly “critical” of Muhammed. It was critical of those that twist his teachings to their own benefit.

 

[austenbosten]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the rest of the world doesn’t commemorate 9/11. I didn’t know it was the anniversary until an American colleague mentioned.

If it was planned for this day, it wasn’t by the Egyptians or the Libyans

Well I also hate to be the bearer of bad news, but “We don’t care”

It doesn’t matter if the rest of the world doesn’t mourn on 9/11 we do, and we were attacked on that day and we are hurt and angry.

As for planning, I don’t know anyone on here blaming Egypt or Libya for this, I see people blaming the terrorists who committed this heinous crime.

 

[sedonaman]

The US is “up against” a private citizen making a film critical of Muhammed?

Advantage, US! What do we do, block access to youtube? Make “insulting the Prophet” a capital offense?

They are working on it. Ever hear of “hate” speech?

 

[austenbosten]

They are working on it. Ever hear of “hate” speech?

Then burning the flag should be considered “hate” speech…OOPS I forgot only in this country hatred of Americans and America is considered “free” speech. All other flags is “hate” speech, unless it’s a Vatican, Israeli or Christian flag…those are fair game…errrrrrr I mean free speech as well.

 

[sedonaman]

Bill Clinton apologized to the South Pole texnews.com/1998/opinion/will0331.html .

øbama joined in solidarity with the Occupiers.

Now the administration once again apologizes for America’s very existence. Israeli PM Golda Meir said it best: “We are not going to die just so the world will think well of us.”

When we fail to discriminate between good and evil, right and wrong, and the behaviors that lead to success and those that lead to failure, we do not end up objective, neutral, tolerant, or even indifferent; we end up hating what is good, right, and successful. It is how we got to the point that America is to blame for everything wrong with the world, even to the point of blaming the victim. That is how the Left came to hate America and found the need to apologize for even its imagined shortcomings.

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“The more America does to improve itself, the more unbearable become its remaining shortcomings.”

 

[austenbosten]

Bill Clinton apologized to the South Pole texnews.com/1998/opinion/will0331.html .

øbama joined in solidarity with the Occupiers.

Now the administration once again apologizes for America’s very existence. Israeli PM Golda Meir said it best: **“We are not going to die just so the world will think well of us.”
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When we fail to discriminate between good and evil, right and wrong, and the behaviors that lead to success and those that lead to failure, we do not end up objective, neutral, tolerant, or even indifferent; we end up hating what is good, right, and successful. It is how we got to the point that America is to blame for everything wrong with the world, even to the point of blaming the victim. That is how the Left came to hate America and found the need to apologize for even its imagined shortcomings.

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“The more America does to improve itself, the more unbearable become its remaining shortcomings.”

:clapping: Bravo!

 

[maryjk]

I’ll take that as a no, you don’t commemorate attacks that occurred in other countries.

You know why? Because you’re much more sensitive to events that happen in your own country that you are to those in other countries. It’s natural. It’s ok that you don’t commemorate the Bali bombings or 7/7.

And it’s ok that we don’t. For you to expect non-Americans to think the same way about 9/11 as you do is ridiculous.

No I don’t commemorate any of the attacks. In fact, I don’t do anything to commemorate the attacks on 9/11. And I don’t think every country that had someone die on 9/11 should shut down normal programming and show only memorials. I never said that.

What I said, was:

That is pretty surprising. That you didn’t know enough about the attacks on 9/11 to realize that yesterday was the an anniversary

To know about an event is very different than to commemorate an event.

 

[gnjsdad]

What is so unusual about this is that the maker of this video bragged so openly about his real motivation…to help Israel

 

[Skeptic92]

How many people died on 7/7? Thousands? Hundreds? Oh, that’s right, it was something like 52, right?

You do know that 68, from the United Kingdom, died on 9/11, right? That doesn’t count the hundreds, no sorry, thousands that died in total.

Think that instead of this being “a bit of America is the center of the world,” it is, “Many countries lost people on 9/11, not just America.”

It was an attack on America, we commemorate 7/7 to a much greater extent than 9/11- the one thing I remember about 9/11 is that it has turned most western powers authoritarian, many people died yes but many other countries will not commemorate 9/11 to the extent that the USA does. In fact many countries don’t commemorate 9/11 at all.

 

[scipio337]

I’ll take that as a no, you don’t commemorate attacks that occurred in other countries.

You know why? Because you’re much more sensitive to events that happen in your own country that you are to those in other countries. It’s natural. It’s ok that you don’t commemorate the Bali bombings or 7/7.

And it’s ok that we don’t. For you to expect non-Americans to think the same way about 9/11 as you do is ridiculous.

I get what you are saying, Shelia. We have a saying in America: “All politics are local”, and I think events like 9/11 are no exception.

That being said, while the rest of the world may not see the signifigance of the date, I do think those “protesters” did.

Though the film was the focus of demonstrators’ outrage, the spirited protest amounted to more of a general outpouring of grievances against U.S. policy in the Islamic world. Several signs and chants decried the U.S.-led invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as American support for Israel.

Many recalled the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, that killed thousands of U.S. citizens 11 years earlier.

“Obama! Obama! We are all Osama!” went one chant, referring to Osama bin Laden, the late head of Al Qaeda, the militant Islamist organization widely believed to be responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

Mohammed Al Zawahiri, the brother of Al Qaeda leader Ayman Al Zawahiri, was among those who attended the rally early in the evening. The younger Mr. Zawahiri, who has renounced violence and has stylized himself as an intermediary between Islamists and the West, was released from an Egyptian jail in March after serving 10 years on charges of militancy.

online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444017504577645681057498266.html?mod=WSJ_article_comments#articleTabs%3Darticle

 

[maryjk]

It was an attack on America, we commemorate 7/7 to a much greater extent than 9/11- the one thing I remember about 9/11 is that it has turned most western powers authoritarian, many people died yes but many other countries will not commemorate 9/11 to the extent that the USA does. In fact many countries don’t commemorate 9/11 at all.

Again, I will say, I said nothing about commemorating anything.

I questioned the “knowledge” of the attacks. Simple knowledge. I do find it surprising for a person to loose so many fellow countrymen and to have no knowledge of it.

 

[iamrefreshed]

This is what the US is up against…

Israeli producer of anti-Islam movie that sparked attacks says he made it to help his country

Excerpt…

Yesterday, the US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, was killed in an attack on the American consulate in Benghazi. Three other staff members of the consulate were also killed. The attack came as protests took place in Libya and Egypt over an American-made YouTube video that mocked Islam and the prophet Muhammad.

The video was financed and posted to YouTube by Sam Bacile, a 52-year old Israeli real estate developer based in California. There are reports that Bacile has gone into hiding since yesterday’s violence. This Associated Press report says Bacile made the film because he thought it would help Israel, and that he raised the $5 million to make the film from “more than 100 Jewish donors”. Thus Islamophobia comes from Israel to the U.S.:

Actually the US is up against its own citizens who continue to attack free speech so they can coddle lunatics.

If you don’t change your opinion and continue to post I will drown a puppy and it will be on your head.

 

[7_Sorrows]

I’ll take that as a no, you don’t commemorate attacks that occurred in other countries.

You know why? Because you’re much more sensitive to events that happen in your own country that you are to those in other countries. It’s natural. It’s ok that you don’t commemorate the Bali bombings or 7/7.

And it’s ok that we don’t. For you to expect non-Americans to think the same way about 9/11 as you do is ridiculous.

weren’t australian troops sent over to fight in Afghanistan when war began over there as a result of 9/11? australia is one of our allies. were there troops from Australia in Iraq also?
9/11 didn’t seem like an attack only on the U.S., but against anyone who shares our western values.
the Bali bombings were terrible, the attacks in London were terrible as were the attacks in Madrid, Spain and all other terrorist attacks whether they be in Russia or India or any other place in the world. i might not remember the exact date of the attacks, but i never forget them or the innocent people who were killed in the attacks.