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Jimsdun
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And I thought celebrities gave there kid’s stupid names. But this guy takes the cake (pun intended).
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Yerusalyim
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Some children actually rise above the environment they were raised in, others sink below it. Don’t yet judge the children. Not all children rasied by racists are racists and some children raised by those who teach tolerance become racist.
We may all object to the names given these children, but as I said before, do we want to start down the road…?
And yes, I am comparing crosses to Swaztikas…some people view the cross as a symbol of hate.
So, while I agree that if a blantantly racist/hateful message is requested such as Lynch Whitey or KILL “N(bad word)” then yes, objection is correct, but to object to the name Adolph Hitler, etc…not good enough…Check out the NYC phone book, there’s more than a few with that name.
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Zooey
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Some people are crazy. It sounds like now we know who a couple more of the crazy ones are…
But I do think that the poor little kids are going to suffer for it…
I think that if someone names their kid “Adolph Hitler”, they had better take a class in cake-baking and decoration, because this won’t be the only time this is going to happen.
There!! You see?? What an
opportunity these guys have passed up!! If they had just taken that class I suggested [see above], they could have made a fortune, and little Adolph could have had a cake with sterling silver candles on it.
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Phemie
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Oh, for Pete’s sake, many non-Communist countries have policies against giving children certain names. Even the Catholic Church would pause at baptizing a child “Hitler” and I doubt very much that an American Catholic would insist on giving his/her child the name Mohammed. The names these children were given are an abuse by the parents. The State has the authority to prevent such abuse.
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Lee_M
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Yes, but stores should have the right to refuse service to these jerks. There are several stores and auction sites who will not sell Nazi items and they have every right not to.
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a_cermak
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Not many. And especially not many from such a home as this. This child will and has been indoctrinated from the day of his birth to the day he leaves this home. Just look at the Westboro Baptist Church folks (of the God Hates fame that protest people’s funerals), just about all of them are related. The daughter is a frequent spokesperson now.
I’ll agree the child should not yet be judged, he hasn’t done anything yet. I just believe he is unlikely to rise above this upbringing. And, like I said, with his name, which he probably will be proud of, everyone will at least know where he stands without having to take the time to discover where he stands.
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Lujack
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It isn’t just Adolf Hitler, though. Its Adolf Hitler plus his sister Joscelyn Aryan Nation and his brother Himmler.
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Arnobius
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There seems to be a focus on Moral Relativism on this thread among some of the posters. The argument of “If we ban swastikas on cakes, what is to stop people from banning crucifixes.”
This is the slippery slope fallacy of course. Taking a stand for a moral and principled reason does not mean we must treat an immoral and unprincipled cause the same way.
This is akin to arguing “if we outlaw child pornography, sooner or later someone will try to outlaw something near and dear to us.” It Can happen in a morally relativistic society that sees no difference between the two, but does not have to.
Christians are called to oppose evil, not to ignore it for fear of what theoretically could happen.
Did we forget we are to support good and oppose evil?
This is the slippery slope fallacy of course. Taking a stand for a moral and principled reason does not mean we must treat an immoral and unprincipled cause the same way.
This is akin to arguing “if we outlaw child pornography, sooner or later someone will try to outlaw something near and dear to us.” It Can happen in a morally relativistic society that sees no difference between the two, but does not have to.
Christians are called to oppose evil, not to ignore it for fear of what theoretically could happen.
Did we forget we are to support good and oppose evil?
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bpcatholic
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In Germany they have laws restricting certain names. Obviously Hitler. Basically, if a name can cause the child emotional abuse in other words be made fun of, they cannot use that name. I remember a family wanted to name their child Whoopi but weren’t allowed. Personally, I think they should have a similar law in the US.
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cathgal
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Still, benefit of a doubt requires true serious action.
By the way, who is Aryan Nation ?
See, I could coincidently named my child this name and have no idea who this person is.
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Lainey63
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Well I guess those kids will just have to stay there… With those names I’m afraid in any other part the country they just might get several whoopins. Too bad their parents didn’t think about what hardship these kids will have just because of their names
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Steeltemplar
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Aryan Nations is a what, not a who actually:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nation
It is a neo-nazi organization.
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LilyM
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It’s not a question of sooner or later. It’s a question of right now, with the restrictions on free speech that already exist, a lot of Christians are being hamstrung and their views suppressed. Under the very same laws and principles that you would invoke against this parent.
We should ALL be working for fewer restrictions on speech, for our own sakes, even though it also means giving freedom to those whose views we find morally repugnant. It’s a question of the tougher laws in this area that have been introduced in recent times ALREADY coming back to bite us in the bum.
Besides, we’re free to shout from the rooftops that this parent’s views are wrong and utterly morally repugnant and offensive to God. And we do. I do - loud and clear, I hate what the guy stands for.
To say that IS standing up for the forces of niceness and IS striking a blow against moral relativism. I’m just saying that the laws don’t exist merely to cater for the tenets of our faith and our (or God’s) moral code.
And that we, in attempting to legislate out of existence EVERY behaviour that morally indignates us, are shooting ourselves in the foot as often as not, and certainly have done so in cases like this one.
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pnewton
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It is not a slippery slope fallacy as much as a recognition that the Constitution and its interpretation has never recognized political or religious speech as “good” speech or “evil” speech. In a dictatorship, or an absolute democracy, yes, the evil can be banned without banning the good, but not in America.
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Jimsdun
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Well, whatever the reason the parents named their child Adolph Hitler, it is only a name, although it is a name of one of the most evel persons in history.
These childeren will suffer a lot during their school years. Their classmates will tease them, and their teachers will either consciously or subconsceiously give them lower grades.
Most likely the children will learn to adopt nicknames and prefer to be addressed by them until they can legally change their name. That raises a question. Can a parent legally change the name of their minor children?
These childeren will suffer a lot during their school years. Their classmates will tease them, and their teachers will either consciously or subconsceiously give them lower grades.
Most likely the children will learn to adopt nicknames and prefer to be addressed by them until they can legally change their name. That raises a question. Can a parent legally change the name of their minor children?
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Malia_Belen
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Black people give their children names because they are African names or because they want to give their children unique and different names which if I might add is the whole point of giving a name… to tell a person apart from others. This is completely different from someone giving their children a name meant to offend. I checked your profile hoping you weren’t Protestant since some people on here already think some not so nice things about Protestants. I got a real shock when I learned that you are catholic…a good thing there are many other Catholics here who know how to get their point across without being offensive…yeah if you haven’t guessed it yet I’m offended. When I first became interested in Catholicism, the first person I met was racist and said a ton of horrible things about blacks in a Catholic chat…a good thing, I met tons of other Catholics who are not like this who are kind, caring and live their lives for Christ. It’s people like you who make me wonder if Catholicism is for me. I have to wonder when I’m one of only ten or so black people in a white catholic church how many more people are thinking like you when I introduce myself.
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Newbie2
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I see a parallel to a printing shop being allowed to refuse printing up fliers to promote a homosexual-type gathering. It’s not like refusing to sell someone food, or gasoline or medicine. Private retailers should have the freedom to be able to refuse service to anyone for reasons that they find offensive, as long as customers can refuse to do business with them.
Perhaps. But there was this guy named Saul, a long time ago, who was a bigot…
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CWBetts
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I implore you, do not judge the whole of Catholicism based on the musings of this one. Perhaps they should be reminded that racism is an intrinsic evil. Continue to explore the Catholic faith and God Bless!!!
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Lee_M
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Our right to free speech is abused quite a bit. The founders of the constitution gave us a right to free speech to speak against our government without being locked up in jail. There is a difference between speaking against something or using obscenities. Children using foul language in school can be disciplined. The same goes for racist remarks. Freedom of speech is protection from our government. It doesn’t give people the right to say or do anything they want in a private business.
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Lee_M
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I agree with you. It was totally out of line.
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