Cake request for 3-year-old Hitler namesake denied

[Lee_M]

Talk to atheists and folks of other non-Catholic and non-Christian faiths about the crusades or the Inquisition and see if some of them don’t compare Catholics as a group, and the Catholic church as an institution, to Hitler and Nazism!

Some go further and directly link the two by directly attributing Hitler’s hatred of Jews to his having been raised Catholic.

We have a right to hold our Catholic beliefs nonetheless, and to insist on others giving at least a minimum of courtesy to us in regard to them, even if they find them offensive, no? So why are we exempt from extending that same minimum courtesy to others?

If I go into someone’s privately owned business and they feel offended to put a cross or Christian name on a cake, I will take my business elsewhere. I don’t feel I have the right to force them to do something that is against their beliefs.

 

[BarbG]

Why would anyone name their child “Adolph Hitler”??? He was responsible for the killing of 6 million Jews and approximately 3 million non-Jews. Have any of you ever heard of Maximilian Kolbe or Edith Stein??? Both Catholic saints and both killed in the Holocaust. Of course, someone is going to note that Edith Stein was killed because she was Jewish – but she was also Catholic. The older I get the less I can understand people – I wouldn’t have put that name on ANY birthday cake!!!

 

[Lee_M]

Talk to atheists and folks of other non-Catholic and non-Christian faiths about the crusades or the Inquisition and see if some of them don’t compare Catholics as a group, and the Catholic church as an institution, to Hitler and Nazism!

Some go further and directly link the two by directly attributing Hitler’s hatred of Jews to his having been raised Catholic.

We have a right to hold our Catholic beliefs nonetheless, and to insist on others giving at least a minimum of courtesy to us in regard to them, even if they find them offensive, no? So why are we exempt from extending that same minimum courtesy to others?

Here is a scenario:

Someone went into a private business in Martin Luther King’s hometown and wanted a cake that says “Way to Go, James Earl Ray”! Do they have a right to demand someone to write this on their cake? Is that their minimum courtesy to do so.

It is time you use a little common sense.

 

[LilyM]

Here is a scenario:

Someone went into a private business in Martin Luther King’s hometown and wanted a cake that says “Way to Go, James Earl Ray”! Do they have a right to demand someone to write this on their cake? Is that their minimum courtesy to do so.

It is time you use a little common sense.

You forgot one highly significant detail - that the cake is for a CHILD named James Earl Ray who doesn’t know about nor understand the deeds of the man after whom he was named.

A young child would take a refusal completely personally and would in fact be devastated by it, would feel that it personally had done something wrong somehow, if it was refused its name on a cake. Commonsense and our own remembrance of what it was like to be a child should tell us that, and it’s time you used a little of your own and put yourself in the shoes of that child.

As a minimum courtesy to that child, who deserves every possible courtesy regardless of the legal rights of the situation, the storeowner should absolutely put the child’s name on the cake if it’s not positively blasphemous or a swearword or something.

 

[LilyM]

If I go into someone’s privately owned business and they feel offended to put a cross or Christian name on a cake, I will take my business elsewhere. I don’t feel I have the right to force them to do something that is against their beliefs.

Really? But if from my privately-owned house I can hear the call to prayer from a nearby mosque, and that offends me and is against my beliefs, tough noogies. And vice versa - if the sound of my church bells on a Sunday offends local atheists, Muslims or anyone else in their private homes, tough noogies to them.

Like it or not I have to respect the rights of Muslims to their beliefs and to have their call to prayer, and they have to respect my rights to church services and bell ringing. In other words we can all be forced to endure something that is contrary to our beliefs in certain situations - even, on occasions, if such DOES intrude on our private homes or businesses.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

Really? But if from my privately-owned house I can hear the call to prayer from a nearby mosque, and that offends me and is against my beliefs, tough noogies. And vice versa - if the sound of my church bells on a Sunday offends local atheists, Muslims or anyone else in their private homes, tough noogies to them.

Like it or not I have to respect the rights of Muslims to their beliefs and to have their call to prayer, and they have to respect my rights to church services and bell ringing. In other words we can all be forced to endure something that is contrary to our beliefs in certain situations - even, on occasions, if such DOES intrude on our private homes or businesses.

But if the members of the mosque were to decide to pray on your lawn, of course you could ask them to leave. At that point, their freedom of religion would interfere with your freedom of property ownership.

But here’s another scenario, I own a bakery and can transfer a photo image to a cake. If someone comes in with a pornographic image, am I obligated to provide them a cake?

A store owner has the freedom of what he wants to sell. If he doesn’t want to sell a Hitler cake, he doesn’t have to. If the store owner had an aversion to selling purple sweaters, he doesn’t have to sell them.

Also, If I go to a Kosher Deli, and ask for a cheeseburger and chocolate shake, obviously, they won’t be able to provide it to me. I can’t complain that the owners weren’t sensitive to my different religious needs.

Back to the little boy, obviously his parents have some type of agenda with the names they have picked for their children. They wanted to make a point…they could have bought the cake, brought home some icing gel and written whatever they wanted on the cake.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Why didn’t they just say “Happy B-day Adolf”?

The reason: They want to promote their views to everyone.

And Swastikas? What is wrong with these people!!!

Don’t they do what they did to people. Made lampshades from their skin. Gassed women and children. Starved to death most of them.

What next? Horray for destroying the twin towers cake?

The nazis also invented saline abortion too.

But nazi germany was judged by God.

 

[Methodi]

You forgot one highly significant detail - that the cake is for a CHILD named James Earl Ray who doesn’t know about nor understand the deeds of the man after whom he was named.

A young child would take a refusal completely personally and would in fact be devastated by it, would feel that it personally had done something wrong somehow, if it was refused its name on a cake. Commonsense and our own remembrance of what it was like to be a child should tell us that, and it’s time you used a little of your own and put yourself in the shoes of that child.

As a minimum courtesy to that child, who deserves every possible courtesy regardless of the legal rights of the situation, the storeowner should absolutely put the child’s name on the cake if it’s not positively blasphemous or a swearword or something.

Adolph Hitler is worse than any swearword.Its time someone stood up for all this insane business of politically correct so to speak
.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Adolph Hitler is worse than any swearword.Its time someone stood up for all this insane business of politically correct so to speak
.

I agree. But isn’t it odd that the name ‘Jesus Christ’ is often used as a swear word far more frequently than ‘Adolf Hitler’?

 

[irishpatrick]

I don’t doubt it. As I pointed out, it doesn’t mean that they’re in any way REASONABLE to refuse to do so in this instance.

The two (legally OK behaviour and reasonable or good behaviour) don’t always run together, and sometimes are totally contrary to each other.

How can a business be commiting bad behaivor for turning back business that they find morally reprehensible? Isn’t that simply sound judgment?

 

[Chris_LaRock]

How can a business be commiting bad behaivor for turning back business that they find morally reprehensible? Is that simply sound judgment?

An how can somebody call for tolerance when promoting an ideology that was the most intolerant in history?

I’m convinced that racism and anti-semitism are forms of mental illness.

 

[LilyM]

But here’s another scenario, I own a bakery and can transfer a photo image to a cake. If someone comes in with a pornographic image, am I obligated to provide them a cake?

Pornography is both unequivocally immoral even to a lot of atheists, and probably illegal too. The name ‘Adolf Hitler’, offensive as it might be, is neither.

A store owner has the freedom of what he wants to sell. If he doesn’t want to sell a Hitler cake, he doesn’t have to. If the store owner had an aversion to selling purple sweaters, he doesn’t have to sell them.

And a doctor has the freedom to provide abortions if he so chooses. I’m not arguing legality, I’m arguing reasonableness and common human feeling for that poor child.

And if that storeowner advertises themselves as making sweaters to the customer’s design and specifications, like this cakestore does with cakes, and a customer comes in wanting a purple sweater and is refused, yes it IS unreasonable! It’s also called false advertising and would probably be illegal too.

Also, If I go to a Kosher Deli, and ask for a cheeseburger and chocolate shake, obviously, they won’t be able to provide it to me. I can’t complain that the owners weren’t sensitive to my different religious needs.

Again, such a thing would be directly contrary to Jewish religious law - a devout Jew would be rendered ritually unclean by providing unkosher food. A totally different case to something like the birthday cake that offends their sensibilities but is NOT outright sinful.

It’s not like you’d have to run off to confession and say ‘bless me, Father, I have sinned - at a customer’s request I wrote the name ‘Adolf Hitler’ on a birthday cake’, after all.

Back to the little boy, obviously his parents have some type of agenda with the names they have picked for their children. They wanted to make a point…they could have bought the cake, brought home some icing gel and written whatever they wanted on the cake.

Again, the child should suffer for their agenda? Not if a compassionate, decent, caring storeowner can help it he shouldn’t. The kid will suffer more than enough anyway - why on earth any decent person would willingly stick an extra knife in when they’re not positively morally obligated to is beyond me.

 

[LilyM]

An how can somebody call for tolerance when promoting an ideology that was the most intolerant in history?

I’m convinced that racism and anti-semitism are forms of mental illness.

That’s for medical and scientific professionals to determine, not you. And they haven’t thus far.

 

[LilyM]

An how can somebody call for tolerance when promoting an ideology that was the most intolerant in history?

I’m convinced that racism and anti-semitism are forms of mental illness.

How can somebody rationally claim to be COUNTERING that intolerant regime by lowering themselves to become intolerant too?

 

[irishpatrick]

An how can somebody call for tolerance when promoting an ideology that was the most intolerant in history?

I’m convinced that racism and anti-semitism are forms of mental illness.

All I know is that I wish more people would have a well formed conscience and that they would use it to make their daily decisions and choices…the world would be far better off.

 

[RobinG]

It wasn’t the cake i thought of when read the article yesterday, I feel more for the children. They are ones that are going to be living with their parents giving them names that are connected with evil acts.

 

[Matrix_Refugee]

I agree with you.

Sue me, but I will fight to protect that child. I think a case could be made that the name Adolph Hitler is vulgar language and the cake decorator was within her rights not to write those words with frosting.

I was surprised the other day when I learned that a classmate of one of my children was named Nero.

I used to work the bakery department of the store where I now work as a grocery CSR, and there was one time I had a guy ask me to write “dirty words” on a cake. I told him pointblank that I couldn’t since “this is a family environment”. I spoke to the bakery manager afterwards and she told me I had handled the incident the right way.

Now the folks with the kid named Adolf Hitler, it turns out, are collectors of Nazi memorabilia. I’m not one to criticize their hobby, but naming their kid that name is a little much.

 

[Methodi]

I agree. But isn’t it odd that the name ‘Jesus Christ’ is often used as a swear word far more frequently than ‘Adolf Hitler’?

yes, but its often accidental, this is deliberate

 

[JPUSC]

Pornography is both unequivocally immoral even to a lot of atheists, and probably illegal too. The name ‘Adolf Hitler’, offensive as it might be, is neither.

Many atheists would find Adolf Hitler offensive and immoral too.

The name “Adolf Hitler” is offensive to many people. How would you feel if someone had a cake made that was offensive to you?

http://cdn-img1.imagechef.com/w/081221/sampd7454ff0cbb404c9.jpg

C’mon LilyM, don’t you think a cake like this would be offensive?

 

[LilyM]

Many atheists would find Adolf Hitler offensive and immoral too.

The name “Adolf Hitler” is offensive to many people. How would you feel if someone had a cake made that was offensive to you?

http://cdn-img1.imagechef.com/w/081221/sampd7454ff0cbb404c9.jpg

C’mon LilyM, don’t you think a cake like this would be offensive?

Mmmm … sacrelicious! (that’s a quote from Homer Simpson, of course).