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chosen_people
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news.nationalpost.com/2012/06/26/187783/
The reasoning is that allowing the vaccine encourages sexual promiscuity
The reasoning is that allowing the vaccine encourages sexual promiscuity
Calgary bishop’s HPV vaccine ban putting thousands of girls at risk: MDs
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Dale_M
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Taking that a step further, I think the argument is that fear of contracting STDs deters having teens from having premarital sex. Removing that fear indirectly encourages such sex.
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epan
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… so, we condemn them to illness and/or death for a moment of immature indiscretion. I can’t say that I agree with this logic. Imagine to sorrow of a parent whose daughter becomes sterile, or worse, because the parent refused this vaccine on behalf of the child.
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triumphguy
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What about the virginal wife, who marries a now good and sincere catholic boy who had a one-time, one night stand. She contacts HPV from him and later develops cancer as a result.
That’s why I had my daughter vaccinated.
That’s why I had my daughter vaccinated.
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cradlecatholic5
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***What about the virginal wife, who marries a now good and sincere catholic boy who had a one-time, one night stand. She contacts HPV from him and later develops cancer as a result.
That’s why I had my daughter vaccinated. ***
That’s why I had my daughter vaccinated. ***
Mary_Gail_36
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The article is a bit difficult to understand… because of it’s title. If you read towards the middle:
The bishop has not allowed the schools to distribute the vaccine.
I, personally do not want anyone approaching my children with medicine, without me being present. I bring my children to the pediatrician, not to school ,for vaccines.
Don’t they have pediatricians in that diocese? Does all medical care come from school?
If a parent wants this vaccine, the bishop is not blocking access to pediatricians.
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The bishop has not allowed the schools to distribute the vaccine.
I, personally do not want anyone approaching my children with medicine, without me being present. I bring my children to the pediatrician, not to school ,for vaccines.
Don’t they have pediatricians in that diocese? Does all medical care come from school?
If a parent wants this vaccine, the bishop is not blocking access to pediatricians.
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losh14
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I agree wholeheartedly that this shouldn’t be something the schools push - and I have no idea why schools would be the source of distribution:
What buggers me is when the HPV vaccine is mandatory for school entry (Virginia and Washington D.C.). I don’t see the logic behind it - the benefits, certainly, if the vaccine is as effective as studies show in preventing cancer from HPV. But why should my daughters (or sons, for that matter, since the recommendation is growing for boys to receive it too) be barred from attending school because they aren’t vaccinated against an STD? Measles, mumps, ruboela, flu, chicken pox, all of these I expect to be passed around schools - but what on earth goes on that a school is mandating HPV vaccinations?
I don’t put a lot of weight into that argument. I think pregnancy and AIDS are more of a concern, so that condoms and birth control more substantively remove the barrier to sex. I don’t think there’s that much fear around HPV such that a couple considering …ahem… would stop and say “Wait, what about HPV? I could develop cervical cancer in 5 years, keep your hands off of me!”
The HPV vaccine is unique in that it has to be given at such a young age that first intercourse isn’t expected for another 5 years (or hopefully for another 10 or more). I think it’s a good thing to have available but its certainly not something I’d like being mandated.
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_Abyssinia
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I am not sure about the vaccine, but the facts are Gardasil protects against 4 strains of HPV (6, 11, 16 and 18):
There are 15 HPV strains that have been linked to cervical cancer or genital warts and over 40 types of HPV.
Gardasil offers no protection against HPV if you have been exposed to HPV and can actually increase the risk by 44.6% of getting cervical cancer if you have the vaccine:
‘PCR-based HPV detection device with provision for accurate HPV genotyping is more urgently needed now because vaccination with Gardasil of the women who are already sero-positive and PCR-positive for vaccine-relevant genotypes of HPV has been found to increase the risk of developing high-grade precancerous lesions by 44.6%, according to an FDA VRBPAC Background Document : Gardasil HPV Quadrivalent Vaccine. May 18, 2006 VRBPAC Meeting.’
fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B3.pdf%22
Merck does not know how long the Gardasil vaccine lasts for.
Gardasil package insert, page 5:
merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf
That vaccine might not have long lasting protection.
Dr Diane Harper
‘Duration of efficacy is key to the entire question. If duration is at least fifteen years, then vaccinating 11- year-old girls will protect them until they are 26 and will prevent some precancers, but postpone most cancers. If duration of efficacy is less than fifteen years, then no cancers are prevented, only postponed.’
huffingtonpost.com/marcia-g-yerman/an-interview-with-dr-dian_b_405472.html
There are 15 HPV strains that have been linked to cervical cancer or genital warts and over 40 types of HPV.
Gardasil offers no protection against HPV if you have been exposed to HPV and can actually increase the risk by 44.6% of getting cervical cancer if you have the vaccine:
‘PCR-based HPV detection device with provision for accurate HPV genotyping is more urgently needed now because vaccination with Gardasil of the women who are already sero-positive and PCR-positive for vaccine-relevant genotypes of HPV has been found to increase the risk of developing high-grade precancerous lesions by 44.6%, according to an FDA VRBPAC Background Document : Gardasil HPV Quadrivalent Vaccine. May 18, 2006 VRBPAC Meeting.’
fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B3.pdf%22
Merck does not know how long the Gardasil vaccine lasts for.
Gardasil package insert, page 5:
merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf
That vaccine might not have long lasting protection.
Dr Diane Harper
‘Duration of efficacy is key to the entire question. If duration is at least fifteen years, then vaccinating 11- year-old girls will protect them until they are 26 and will prevent some precancers, but postpone most cancers. If duration of efficacy is less than fifteen years, then no cancers are prevented, only postponed.’
huffingtonpost.com/marcia-g-yerman/an-interview-with-dr-dian_b_405472.html
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epan
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The quadrivalent vaccine is recommended for ages 9-26, after age 26 there are CDC guidelines for dosage.
The bivalent is recommended for ages 9-25.
If someone told you that the vaccine must be given at a young age, then that advice does not follow FDA guidelines.
I suspect that the reasons the schools want kids vaccinated at an early age is because they are having sex at an early age. It is one more transmissible disease to vaccinate for. Rather than try to figure out which kids are precocious, they vaccinate the entire “at risk” population.
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triumphguy
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I’m a Catholic in Calgary. I back the bishop, and instead of fighting his stance publically I had my daughter vaccinated instead.
I believe in both/and not either/or in this case.
The Bishop is right to make his stand.
I am right to make my choice for my daughter.
AND I don;t believe she will be promiscuous as a result.
I believe in both/and not either/or in this case.
The Bishop is right to make his stand.
I am right to make my choice for my daughter.
AND I don;t believe she will be promiscuous as a result.
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Dawnia
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There are parents world wide reporting accounts of SERIOUS (like permanently disabled serious) side effects after the drug was given to their daughters. I’m sure percentage wise it is relatively few, but I think parents should be aware of the risks. Plus, there are certain people that should not have the vaccine according to the company. Best to take it up with your doctor and make an informed decision.
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mt_gooseberry
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This is me. The only man I have ever been with is my husband. I have already had two cancer scares because he gave me the HPV virus.***What about the virginal wife, who marries a now good and sincere catholic boy who had a one-time, one night stand. She contacts HPV from him and later develops cancer as a result.
That’s why I had my daughter vaccinated. ***
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ringil
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I have to say that I REALLY disagree with this Bishop. His line of reasoning is truly flawed.
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ringil
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AMEN.***What about the virginal wife, who marries a now good and sincere catholic boy who had a one-time, one night stand. She contacts HPV from him and later develops cancer as a result.
That’s why I had my daughter vaccinated. ***
You don’t even need to tell your kid why they are getting the vaccine! I will certainly have my daughter vaccinated.
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losh14
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Well-taken. This was coming from a pathologist, a friend of mine, who says the state of research on Gardasil is that it is more effective the earlier it is administered.
Agreed. Another example of treating the symptoms, not the disease.
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Phemie
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They aren’t the source, Public Health is. The schools are only the venue. In every province where I’ve lived, Public Health comes into the schools and vaccinates all the kids in specific grade levels. Parents have to consent to it, but it’s easier to do it that way than having to go to Public Health for your children’s vaccination, plus, it’s free and it ensures that you get a better rate of innoculation than if you leave it to the parents to make an appointment. I’ve never lived in a province where I had to go to my family doctor for my kids to get vaccinated, it’s always done at Public Health.
In this case, where they were adding the HPV vaccine to the regular schedule of innoculations, the Bishop said they weren’t allowed to dispense this particular vaccine in Catholic schools.
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jilly4ski
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That is weird. So even as infants you don’t get the vaccinations done at the doctor but at public heath? What if your child cannot receive certain vaccines, or is not recommend for them, because of health issues. I guess I don’t have school aged children, but I feel much better having their regular physician recommending and administering vaccinations (and watching for side effects) then just everyone getting them at school. (In fact the children can then get a physical at the same time to check their overall health). Here in the states, you have to send the vaccination records from the doctor in before they can start school, or officially opt them out. Which means the the child is getting a check up too.
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Phemie
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We always have the option of opting out. Our boys were allergic to eggs so they never got the MMR vaccine. Public Health wouldn’t give it and our family doctor said he’d rather see them have side effects from the disease than see them have a bad reaction to the vaccine.
Public Health nurses do routine baby checks each time you take in your child in to the “Well Baby Clinic” for a vaccination: weight, height, head circumference, check for milestones, etc. If anything is “off” they send you to your doctor. You are given a record of your child’s vaccination with his/her weight and height recorded and any pertinent comments. I still have all three of my kids’ vaccination records (and they’re 28, 30 & 32.
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Not_Sure_1
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I would never get the vaccine for any of my family.
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timotheos
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I am tired of debating this issue.
Chance of physical death from cervical cancer in the US before Gardasil: 0.000002% per year
Chance of physical death from cervical cancer in the US after Gardasil: unknown, possibly less, possibly more (due to decreased pap screening intervals)
Chance of eternal death in hell due to willful ignorance and trivialization of important moral issues: No mortal being can calculate this. But read the visions given to the children at Fatima.
I am a parent of an 18 year-old daughter, and an MD to boot. I don’t worry nearly as much about those things that can kill her body as about those things that can kill her eternal soul. It is my most important job as a parent. For those who say you can do both, fine. If you do them in proportion to the magnitude of the threat, you should spend a million times more energy on the moral stuff than the vaccine. Probably more. And I am not exaggerating.
I am deadly serious about my faith. It’s what being Catholic is all about.
Chance of physical death from cervical cancer in the US before Gardasil: 0.000002% per year
Chance of physical death from cervical cancer in the US after Gardasil: unknown, possibly less, possibly more (due to decreased pap screening intervals)
Chance of eternal death in hell due to willful ignorance and trivialization of important moral issues: No mortal being can calculate this. But read the visions given to the children at Fatima.
I am a parent of an 18 year-old daughter, and an MD to boot. I don’t worry nearly as much about those things that can kill her body as about those things that can kill her eternal soul. It is my most important job as a parent. For those who say you can do both, fine. If you do them in proportion to the magnitude of the threat, you should spend a million times more energy on the moral stuff than the vaccine. Probably more. And I am not exaggerating.
I am deadly serious about my faith. It’s what being Catholic is all about.
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