Calgary Bishop Cites Graphic Images for Withdrawal of Support for Prominent Pro-life Group

[vern_humphrey]

Lots of things may not have socially redeeming values by some standard. Does that give one a right to tell others what to do? Many would hold pics of abortions have no socially redeeming values. And how do we deermine socially redeemimg values? Redeemed from what?

But I still like your principle.

I agree – the principle of freedom of speech obliges us to defend the rights of others to say things we personally find offensive.

But in this case, there is a positive value in showing young people exactly what abortion is all about.

 

[GreenJeans]

I agree – the principle of freedom of speech obliges us to defend the rights of others to say things we personally find offensive.

But in this case, there is a positive value in showing young people exactly what abortion is all about.

I object to neither the abortion pics nor pornography. Your principle applies to both.

 

[childofmary1143]

You have a perfect right not to look – but not to tell others what to do.

Most evils are committed when people stick their heads in the sand and refuse to look evil in the eye.

Innocent young children aren’t evil and shouldn’t be exposed to that. I would add that there are lots of innocent adults too (in regard to not having an abortion or even counselling one to have an abortion) that don’t like to see it as well.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Innocent young children aren’t evil and shouldn’t be exposed to that. I would add that there are lots of innocent adults too (in regard to not having an abortion or even counselling one to have an abortion) that don’t like to see it as well.

As I say, many a German refused to see the cattle cars full of Jews trundling past, or the smoke from the crematoria.

 

[OriginalJS]

Let’s think a little about this.

If you want to see gory pictures get a medical book on surgery, plastic surgery, dermatology or other area where the body is cut open. If you aren’t a physician it may shock you. They certainly don’t shock surgeons who view them as how to do manuals.

If you want to see something really bad, get one of those textbooks of forensic surgery and look at the pictures of somebody who has been pulled out of salt water after about a week of submersion after drowning.

Anybody who has watched a pig or steer butchered or a deer field dressed may at first be revolted by it.

But, in all these cases for most people the shock soon dissipates.

It hasn’t been so long ago that people flocked to hangings taking picnic lunches along. It ws brutal, but they loved it. Sadly they even acted like lynchings were a social event on occasion.

Is there a danger in showing shocking pictures of aborted babies that the effect may wear off for many who view them and they will no longer shock? I wonder.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Is there a danger in showing shocking pictures of aborted babies that the effect may wear off for many who view them and they will no longer shock? I wonder.

And how is that different from never seeing them at all?

 

[Joe_Kelley]

Judge not less ye be judged?

What the heck does that mean?

It’s Sean Hannity’s line when he can’t defend his actions.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

Maybe he did. How do you know he didn’t?

I don’t - That is why I asked. Do you have an answer?

 

[Joe_Kelley]

You have a perfect right not to look – but not to tell others what to do.

Most evils are committed when people stick their heads in the sand and refuse to look evil in the eye.

Did you ever notice when one sticks one’s head in the sand what is temptingly exposed for a swift kick.

 

[Dandelion_Wine]

You have a perfect right not to look – but not to tell others what to do.

Most evils are committed when people stick their heads in the sand and refuse to look evil in the eye.

That makes no sense vern. First you say that because I don’t want to look at those images I’m somehow complicit with abortions. And I scratch my head and ask why, since you have no real reason you tell me then that because I won’t look at the pictures I can’t tell others not to have abortions? Again I say

I don’t need my kids to see aborted children to teach them abortion is wrong. I don’t need to show my children pornography to teach them that objectifying women is wrong. I don’t need to take my children to a satanic dog sacrifice to have them ‘look evil in the eye’.

God bless your children and those you teach! Do their parents know your views?

 

[Dandelion_Wine]

I accept this is a good and strong bishop. I would like to ask him how he determines that these particular means are evil?

I didn’t see him say the means are evil in his statement.

Too many people who suppoort “choice” have no real conception of what abortion entails. The Bishop should order these posters be dipalyed in every Catholic Church in his diocese.

Good Lord! See my previous post.

Except that I would say that images of aborted children do have “redeeming social values” – far more than pornography.

2 comments. 1) My wife was put off by pro-lifers in her late teens and early 20s because where she worked, outside they insisted showing these graphic pictures. I think they also do more harm than good. 2) Wow - you think pornography has redeeming social value. That’s scary.

 

[vern_humphrey]

That makes no sense vern. First you say that because I don’t want to look at those images I’m somehow complicit with abortions.

When did I say that? Give me a quote – or an apology.

And I scratch my head and ask why, since you have no real reason you tell me then that because I won’t look at the pictures I can’t tell others not to have abortions? Again I say

When did I tell you that? Give me a quote – or an apology.

When did I say that? Give me a quote – or an apology.I don’t need my kids to see aborted children to teach them abortion is wrong. I don’t need to show my children pornography to teach them that objectifying women is wrong. I don’t need to take my children to a satanic dog sacrifice to have them ‘look evil in the eye’.

And other people who have different opinions have no right to differ with you?

God bless your children and those you teach! Do their parents know your views?

What a holier-than-thou remark.

 

[vern_humphrey]

I didn’t see him say the means are evil in his statement.Good Lord! See my previous post.2 comments. 1) My wife was put off by pro-lifers in her late teens and early 20s because where she worked, outside they insisted showing these graphic pictures. I think they also do more harm than good.

Please explain in more detail. What do you mean by “put off?” How did this affect her behavior?

1. Wow - you think pornography has redeeming social value. That’s scary.

Wow! You make huge leaps of logic like this to attack other people. That’s scary.

 

[m134e5]

If I thought that showing graphic pictures of aborted babies would save lives, I would be for it in a second- no question about it. I have seen the pictures- they are gruesome, and I believe anyone who performs abortions is truly evil- you have to be to do something like that with no remorse. I believe that most everyone who has an abortion or encourages someone to have an abortion doesn’t recognize (maybe they know, but refuse to think about it enough to make the right decision on it) how barbaric abortion is.

I do not think showing graphic pictures to the general public is the FIRST answer. I can understand them being shown when protesting outside of an abortion clinic- I think the pictures should be positioned to make sure innocent passersby can’t see them without trying to see them.

 

[Gerry_Hunter]

The graphic depiction of brutality is not necessary to uphold any morally licit position.

A few weeks ago, I found that some miscreants had put up some posters of women who had obviously been beaten badly. They were out to combat violence against women, certainly a worthy undertaking. But though I am no saint, I have never raised my hand to my wife, or any other woman, and have, they tell me, been an effective protector of my two daughters. So, I asked out loud at work, why should I be subjected to such a vile graphic display of violence at my workplace? A manager who overheard me agreed, and took them down immediately.

You know, as horrible as abortion is, citing opposition to it as justification for the display of abject violence is coming very close to arguing that the end justifies the means. Someone mentioned, in earlier posts, people not wanting to see box cars headed for concentration camps? Well, the folks who filled those box cars thought that the end justified the means, and look what they ended up doing.

Blessings,

Gerry

PS: Bishop Fred Henry is one of the staunchest, most fearless warriors for the moral positions of the Church in North America. Revenue Canada has even called him and threatened him for his outspokenness, and when that bunch of anti-Christian stooges does that, you know you’ve hit a nerve. This is no thin skinned shrinking violet, and if he says it’s too much, then it’s too much.

GH

 

[childofmary1143]

The graphic depiction of brutality is not necessary to uphold any morally licit position.

A few weeks ago, I found that some miscreants had put up some posters of women who had obviously been beaten badly. They were out to combat violence against women, certainly a worthy undertaking. But though I am no saint, I have never raised my hand to my wife, or any other woman, and have, they tell me, been an effective protector of my two daughters. So, I asked out loud at work, why should I be subjected to such a vile graphic display of violence at my workplace? A manager who overheard me agreed, and took them down immediately.

You know, as horrible as abortion is, citing opposition to it as justification for the display of abject violence is coming very close to arguing that the end justifies the means. Someone mentioned, in earlier posts, people not wanting to see box cars headed for concentration camps? Well, the folks who filled those box cars thought that the end justified the means, and look what they ended up doing.

Blessings,

Gerry

PS: Bishop Fred Henry is one of the staunchest, most fearless warriors for the moral positions of the Church in North America. Revenue Canada has even called him and threatened him for his outspokenness, and when that bunch of anti-Christian stooges does that, you know you’ve hit a nerve. This is no thin skinned shrinking violet, and if he says it’s too much, then it’s too much.

GH

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[Dandelion_Wine]

When did I say that? Give me a quote – or an apology.

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To those who are shocked by such images, I say, “If your eye cannot bear to see what your hand has done, you should have stayed your hand.”

When did I tell you that? Give me a quote – or an apology.

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You have a perfect right not to look – but not to tell others what to do…

And other people who have different opinions have no right to differ with you?

What a holier-than-thou remark.

WOW! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. This whole nonsense started because those of us who didn’t want to see those images (i.e. differed in opinion with you) were told BY YOU -

I say, “If your eye cannot bear to see what your hand has done, you should have stayed your hand.”

 

[Holly3278]

I think it is ridiculous to leave a pro-life group just because they use graphic images of aborted children. Such images have caused many to not abort their children. We should not stop using such images despite the fact that many are opposed to it.

 

[vern_humphrey]

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WOW! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. This whole nonsense started because those of us who didn’t want to see those images (i.e. differed in opinion with you) were told BY YOU -

And none of that backs up what you said.

And I repeat, if your eye cannot bear to see what your hand has done, you should have stayed your hand.

 

[Nohome]

And I repeat, if your eye cannot bear to see what your hand has done, you should have stayed your hand.

I can’t stand the sight of bypass surgery, that wouldn’t stop me from having one if I need it. Don’t be silly, I think we can all understand right from wrong without being subjected to gore.

Personally, I think graphic images are the low road argument. Organizations like Birthright have the right idea. Show young women that they do have a choice, they can choose life for their baby.

Nohome