Calif. religious leaders push for gay marriage ban

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buffalo said:
Hello - the law stated that they must allow it. They voluntarily decided they won’t.
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Precisely. Bob Jones University was once told they’d lose their tax exempt status if they didn’t end their institutional policy against interracial dating as a practice that contravenes “God’s law.” They expressed willingness to give up this status, rather than cease prohibiting interracial dating. That doesn’t strike me as bullying.

StAnastasia
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
There is quite a bit of alienation going on at the pew level over this. It is seen as imposing discrimination and just overall mean spirited, which is not how religion should be. There are more pressing needs in the world than to waste time, money, and energy on this.
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No, there really are not. Why are so many interested in redefining marriage? I submit it is the usual. People doing what they should not be doing and demanding everyone else accept it.
 
StAnastasia said:
That doesn’t strike me as bullying.

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What? Either do this or else - not bullying - give me a break. I think you should follow this more closely as other posters here have since this started. There are a number of threads on it.

The church is not even allowed “conscience clause” in NY.
 
buffalo said:
What? Either do this or else - not bullying - give me a break.
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That’s what Bob Jones University faced – either end your ban on interracial dating, or lose your tax-exempt status. Clearly they were the target of state-backed bullying.
 
StAnastasia said:
Then you should get a “Nobel” prize for supporting a “nobel” cause! 😃

In a nation that officially separates church and state, the state is in no position to sanctify anything. In a Catholic marriage it is the wife and husband who are ministers of the sacrament to each other. A lot of problems might be avoided if the state restricted itself to recognizing civil unions that carry equal legal protection for homosexual and heterosexual couples. The churches would be free to bless or condemn whatever types of union they wished to bless or condemn, and as voluntary associations they would not be forced to “marry” anyone they chose not to marry.

StAnastasia
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The Church recognizes there exist valid mariages that are not sacramental. Marriage is a natural institution that predates the Church.
 
StAnastasia said:
Then you should get a “Nobel” prize for supporting a “nobel” cause! 😃

In a nation that officially separates church and state, the state is in no position to sanctify anything. In a Catholic marriage it is the wife and husband who are ministers of the sacrament to each other. A lot of problems might be avoided if the state restricted itself to recognizing civil unions that carry equal legal protection for homosexual and heterosexual couples. The churches would be free to bless or condemn whatever types of union they wished to bless or condemn, and as voluntary associations they would not be forced to “marry” anyone they chose not to marry.

StAnastasia
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The problem with that solution is, civil unions will be equated as marriages, and of course the gay activitst movement will want civil unions recognized as marriages. The only solution I can see is to pray and combat the gay activist movement through suffering. It sounds weird, I know, but you gotta keep in mind the Cross of Christ, which is power for those who believe, even though it may seem to be “folly to the Gentiles and a stumbling block to the Jews”. Suffering is a form of fighting against evil; those who suffer and/or die for righteousness’ sake fight against the evil, and they are blessed.
 
Nickkname said:
The problem with that solution is, civil unions will be equated as marriages, and of course the gay activitst movement will want civil unions recognized as marriages.
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If civil unions truly carried the same legal weight as marriages, perhaps gay and lesbian couples would not feel left out. Perhaps if they had not been historically excluded from legal protection and social recognition, they would not be hankering after the “fleshpots of marriage” (Exodus 16:3).😉 We have some lesbian couples in our parish with kids in our school, and they are quiet, conscientious, hard-working, widely respected women with no expressed desire to run out and imitate their heterosexual pew mates by “marrying.” It works in our parish – so far the church has not been struck by lightning!

StAnastasia
 
LRThunder said:
You may consider it mean spirited, but if gay marriage is legalized across the board, how long until churches are compelled to allow gay “marriages” to take place at churches?

The potential violation of Free Exercise of Religion should concern everybody.
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How many non-annulled divorced Christians has the Catholic Church been required by law to marry? If the Church can accept that people are allowed to get civilly married (or married in some other Church) who have not annulled their previous marriages, then why not allow gays to get civilly married (or married in another Church).
 
LRThunder said:
We have already seen a couple of states bully Catholic adoption agencies into allowing gay couples of adopt, not to mention forcing Catholic hospitals to provide birth control.
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Yes, but adoption and the provision of birth control are not religious practices. Church marriage is a religious practice and thus protected by the Separation of Church and State.
 
a_cermak said:
How many non-annulled divorced Christians has the Catholic Church been required by law to marry? If the Church can accept that people are allowed to get civilly married (or married in some other Church) who have not annulled their previous marriages, then why not allow gays to get civilly married (or married in another Church).
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I don’t think the Church is required by law to marry anyone. People may choose to ask to be married in the Church if they wish, but if the Church chooses not to permit a divorced person too remarry, I don’t think there is anything she or he can do about it.
A civil ceremony is still possible, just as it is now in some states for gay or lesbian couples.

St. Anastasia
 
Dale_M said:
Yes, but those are real problems . It is is much harder to deal with them, and easier to create a bogey man and telling your followers “Attack this, or marriage will die.”
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Dale, we are in difficult economic times. People’s jobs are threatened, and they are worried and uncertain.:o When Germans experienced similar hardship and uncertainty in the 1930s, a scapegoat was needed; hence the campaign was launched against the Jews.

StAnastasia
 
Catholic belief when it comes to homosexual acts finds a fundamental source in Scripture, and is found as far back as the earliest books of of the Old Testament on up to the New Testament. And so Catholicism considers this teaching about homosexual acts a part of divine revelation from God. To try to teach Catholics that this teaching is simply a human construction or human prejudice isn’t going to be very convincing.
 
I’ll be very happy when Jesus comes again in glory, because it means we won’t have to deal with any of these homosexual marriage, abortion, stem-cell research, etc. issues. But for now, I think prayer and penance is good. 🙂
 
Nickkname said:
I’ll be very happy when Jesus comes again in glory, because it means we won’t have to deal with any of these homosexual marriage, abortion, stem-cell research, etc. issues. But for now, I think prayer and penance is good. 🙂
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Neither will there be heterosexual marriage or any type of scientific research in the life of the world to come!
 
:highprayer: More Pressing Needs!!!

There are no more pressing needs in the world today than the elimination of the abomination of abortion; and the homosexual lifestyle.
 
mullenpm said:
:There are no more pressing needs in the world today than the elimination of the abomination of abortion; and the homosexual lifestyle.
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Here are some very pressing needs:
  1. Ending an illegal war of choice in Iraq that has pointlessly wasted the lives and maimed the bodies of tens of thousands of soldiers and civilians
  2. Working to end the deaths of two million children annually from water-related diseases
  3. Working to prepare for the imminent end of affordable petroleum, which will lead to the starvation of billions
  4. Educating people about the growing threat of MRSA, which killed 17,000 in the US last year
I’ll focus on these, rather than on further persecuting my wonderful, conscientious gay friends who include priests, sisters, parish workers, teachers, musicians, healthcare professionals, etc., and who have harmed no one by their simply loving another man or woman!

StAnastasia
 
StAnastasia said:
Here are some very pressing needs:
  1. Ending an illegal war of choice in Iraq that has pointlessly wasted the lives and maimed the bodies of tens of thousands of soldiers and civilians
  2. Working to end the deaths of two million children annually from water-related diseases
  3. Working to prepare for the imminent end of affordable petroleum, which will lead to the starvation of billions
  4. Educating people about the growing threat of MRSA, which killed 17,000 in the US last year
I’ll focus on these, rather than on further persecuting my wonderful, conscientious gay friends who include priests, sisters, parish workers, teachers, musicians, healthcare professionals, etc., and who have harmed no one by their simply loving another man or woman!

StAnastasia
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Speaking the truth in love is not persecution. And our immortal souls are vastly more important than gasoline or anything else.
 
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