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Maxirad
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Do any CAF members wish to rebut what Joel Kotkin says in this piece?
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"California’s ‘woke’ revolution is driving out blacks and Hispanics"
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Zzyzx_Road
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I grew up in California so I can speak to this.
Going green and increasing other regulations has driven most manufacturing out of California along with the good middle class jobs they had. Listening to the Sierra Club and Greenpeace shows the racism of white liberals in action.
For instance, look at the aerospace industry. In 1990, that industry directly employed over 220k workers in and around LA County. They were manufacturing whole aircraft and parts for same for both commercial and defense applications. Now nearly all of the manufacturing is gone. Boeing bought McDonnell Douglas and has relocated practically all of their operations out of southern California by now. Boeing also bought Rocketdyne and relocated most of that out of state. Lockheed Martin also pulled most manufacturing out of state as the F-22 and the F-35, both designed in California, now get built somewhere else.
That was just aerospace. Let’s move on. At one time, there were five major auto manufacturing plants in California. They’re all gone and they’re not returning any time soon. For example, the former GM plant in Van Nuys is now a shopping center with jobs that pay a lot less. Victims of the cost of doing business in California. Today there is Tesla. That’s it. And even Tesla sources most of its parts elsewhere.
Have I made my point yet? No? Here’s another one: before Hollywood took the nation by storm, California’s economy had already expanded on oil. Yes, oil was big there once upon a time. But California still has loads of untapped natural gas fields in addition to oil. Occidental is sitting on a huge oil and natural gas field near Bakersfield that they suspect has the potential to be as big as anything else found in the lower 48 states, but the state won’t allow them to do anything with it other than pay property taxes on it. There are huge offshore gas fields, but new development hasn’t been allowed in at least 40 years.
In the meantime, middle class jobs get driven out of state. The kind of middle class jobs that the lower classes cut their teeth on to get to the middle class. There isn’t nearly as much class mobility in California as there used to be and that is hurting blacks and Hispanics badly as well as lower class whites.
Going green and increasing other regulations has driven most manufacturing out of California along with the good middle class jobs they had. Listening to the Sierra Club and Greenpeace shows the racism of white liberals in action.
For instance, look at the aerospace industry. In 1990, that industry directly employed over 220k workers in and around LA County. They were manufacturing whole aircraft and parts for same for both commercial and defense applications. Now nearly all of the manufacturing is gone. Boeing bought McDonnell Douglas and has relocated practically all of their operations out of southern California by now. Boeing also bought Rocketdyne and relocated most of that out of state. Lockheed Martin also pulled most manufacturing out of state as the F-22 and the F-35, both designed in California, now get built somewhere else.
That was just aerospace. Let’s move on. At one time, there were five major auto manufacturing plants in California. They’re all gone and they’re not returning any time soon. For example, the former GM plant in Van Nuys is now a shopping center with jobs that pay a lot less. Victims of the cost of doing business in California. Today there is Tesla. That’s it. And even Tesla sources most of its parts elsewhere.
Have I made my point yet? No? Here’s another one: before Hollywood took the nation by storm, California’s economy had already expanded on oil. Yes, oil was big there once upon a time. But California still has loads of untapped natural gas fields in addition to oil. Occidental is sitting on a huge oil and natural gas field near Bakersfield that they suspect has the potential to be as big as anything else found in the lower 48 states, but the state won’t allow them to do anything with it other than pay property taxes on it. There are huge offshore gas fields, but new development hasn’t been allowed in at least 40 years.
In the meantime, middle class jobs get driven out of state. The kind of middle class jobs that the lower classes cut their teeth on to get to the middle class. There isn’t nearly as much class mobility in California as there used to be and that is hurting blacks and Hispanics badly as well as lower class whites.
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Anrakyr
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Contrary to what some people think just because I’ll side with Democrats doesn’t mean I excuses this behaviour.
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Tommy999
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I heard on the news not too long ago that Tesla was building a new plant in Austin, Texas.Today there is Tesla. That’s it. And even Tesla sources most of its parts elsewhere.
Not sure if that means they’re going to move out of California altogether or just expand to another state.
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Fortunately, there are 49 other states, some of them quite welcoming. Give me working class, poor, immigrant, black, Asian, Hispanic, etc., any day over the rich progressives that move here. Well, not here per se. They mostly tend to land in the Austin area with their like minded transplants. We have jobs, lower cost of living, and electricity.There isn’t nearly as much class mobility in California as there used to be and that is hurting blacks and Hispanics badly as well as lower class whites.
blackforest
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California’s cost of living and reigning elite class are driving out, um, pretty much everybody else. Most people around me are from California…and I’m not in California.
California personifies elitism disguised as woke-ness.
California personifies elitism disguised as woke-ness.
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Annie
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Great phrase!elitism disguised as woke-ness
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Zzyzx_Road
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That they didn’t expand in CA tells us a lot.I heard on the news not too long ago that Tesla was building a new plant in Austin, Texas.
Not sure if that means they’re going to move out of California altogether or just expand to another state.
That’s what having states as mini-sovereigns was all about. The key, as you acknowledge is “some of them are quite welcoming”. Only some …Fortunately, there are 49 other states, some of them quite welcoming. Give me working class, poor, immigrant, black, Asian, Hispanic, etc., any day over the rich progressives that move here. Well, not here per se. They mostly tend to land in the Austin area with their like minded transplants. We have jobs, lower cost of living, and electricity.
California represents the ultimate in our country of white liberal politics and the racism inherent in it. The white elite in California are very racist so they must project it away from themselves. Hence white liberals pushing the “white privilege” line even as they retain their own power. They live in their gated neighborhoods, their beach communities and their wineries while never having to bear the cost of policies they stick on the common people and their businesses.California’s cost of living and reigning elite class are driving out, um, pretty much everybody else. Most people around me are from California…and I’m not in California.
California personifies elitism disguised as woke-ness.
The once powerful middle class used to be a restraining force on the state government. No more; it’s been broken down as their jobs were driven out of state and out of country.
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blackforest
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And elitist conservatives are so much more righteous?California represents the ultimate in our country of white liberal politics and the racism inherent in it.
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Zzyzx_Road
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They’re not any better. They are often in bed with the elite liberals as the two are really not that much different from each other in their dislike of the American middle class. They’re the ones who want the H1-B’s, H2-B, H-4, OPTT, L1, etc., visa programs expanded even in the midst of our current unemployment. It’s been fun watching them take money from Big Tech around this as they lobby against Trump’s H1-B overhaul. They’re the ones who want the “forever” wars along with their liberal counterparts.And elitist conservatives are so much more righteous?
Chamber of Commerce is right up there as one of the worst enemies of the American worker out there. As with elite white liberals, they’re not for us.
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Maxirad
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What about the white/Caucasian elite in and around New York City?California represents the ultimate in our country of white liberal politics and the racism inherent in it. The white elite in California are very racist so they must project it away from themselves. Hence white liberals pushing the “white privilege” line even as they retain their own power.
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Zzyzx_Road
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I think they’re not far off. But I don’t know NYC like I know California. But I will say DiBlasio looks like he would fit right in if he was in California.What about the white/Caucasian elite in and around New York City?
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blackforest
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(Spit-take!) I think you and I are (for once) in agreement.
I do wonder what Americans could accomplish if we’d - at least for awhile - set aside Republican-v.-Democrat and focus on elites-v.-The Rest of Us.
I do wonder what Americans could accomplish if we’d - at least for awhile - set aside Republican-v.-Democrat and focus on elites-v.-The Rest of Us.
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Zzyzx_Road
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That is the crucial battle that we’re not being allowed to think of let alone fight it. We can speak right vs left later, that’s middle America, but today it’s the elite vs most of us. Pay attention to how the media goes along with intentionally keeping us divided and split against each other while they and their acolytes rake in the bucks and retain their power over us.I do wonder what Americans could accomplish if we’d - at least for awhile - set aside Republican-v.-Democrat and focus on elites-v.-The Rest of Us.
Uhmmm. That’s sort of what Trump is doing. A life-long democrat winning on the republican ticket. He is fighting all those elites and they are fighting back. Hard. Just watch any network news, read the NYT or any Tv.I do wonder what Americans could accomplish if we’d - at least for awhile - set aside Republican-v.-Democrat and focus on elites-v.-The Rest of Us.
Just consider who is against him. Both the left and the right. Both supported by big business.
blackforest
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Dude, Trump is one of Them.
Dude. Stop and think. If he was one of “them”, why would they be fighting so hard to get rid of him?Dude, Trump is one of Them.
Did you ever stop and think why Bush or any other prominent member of the Republican establishment are not supporting Trump? Don’t you find that odd?
And why do you think there is so much resistance to the idea of the wall? Is it compassion for the farmers of Central America? Or, is it support of unlimited flow of migrant (slave) labor, working illegally and living in squalid conditions, to make the American billionaires even richer. You do the math.
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Anrakyr
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The wall doesn’t stop that. What we are functionally paying for is a sign in the desert.And why do you think there is so much resistance to the idea of the wall? Is it compassion for the farmers of Central America? Or, is it support of unlimited flow of migrant (slave) labor, working illegally and living in squalid conditions, to make the American billionaires even richer. You do the math.
Illegal immigrants come through legally and just don’t get home for whatever reason.
blackforest
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I’m female, but OK.Dude.
And if you really think that non-support from the Bush dynasty is tantamount to rapid populism, you’ve got another thing coming. Trump and Elitism | The American Conservative
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They are not, because there is no “they.” When the use of pronouns exceeds the use of concrete nouns, then language cannot be used as a tool. If we return to basic grammar, pronouns need a clear antecedent. Without this, a sentence is nonsensical.Dude. Stop and think. If he was one of “them”, why would they be fighting so hard to get rid of him?
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