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Joe_5859
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That may be preferable to having a government implanted monitor installed on my car.
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phil19034
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Looks pretty public sector to me: City of Scottsdale - Fire
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Entwhistler
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To be honest, I have nothing against government run agencies. Post Office, Police, fire department…
Nothing against them at all. As long as no one forces me to pay for them. But if I don’t pay for them, I shouldn’t be able to use them. Fair enough. Although, in our day in age, anyone who doesn’t pay for them will probably have problems with ease of life. But, no one is forcing you to do anything.
Give me freedom, or give me death as they say.
Nothing against them at all. As long as no one forces me to pay for them. But if I don’t pay for them, I shouldn’t be able to use them. Fair enough. Although, in our day in age, anyone who doesn’t pay for them will probably have problems with ease of life. But, no one is forcing you to do anything.
Give me freedom, or give me death as they say.
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WHOA WHOA WHOA!
By “privatized” the fire dept, they don’t make participation in funding it voluntary. The privatized FD doesn’t check to see if a property is in their customer list before putting the fire out.
All they do is outsource employees and equipment to private firms so they didn’t have to pay for someone’s retirement… Tragically, we call that a “win” these days.
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Lemuel
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It could be. It was private when I lived there in the 80s
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Cruciferi
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Mark 12:17 - And Jesus answering, said to them: Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s. And they marvelled at him.
Yeah, well at some point we’re gonna have to say “NO, WE SHALL NOT PAY!” We give all this money and I fear it’s being squandered. If it’s used prudently that’s fine; however, the American people are not a cow with endless milk! I don’t renew any levies or taxes and I certainly don’t support any additional rubbish.
Yeah, well at some point we’re gonna have to say “NO, WE SHALL NOT PAY!” We give all this money and I fear it’s being squandered. If it’s used prudently that’s fine; however, the American people are not a cow with endless milk! I don’t renew any levies or taxes and I certainly don’t support any additional rubbish.
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Lemuel
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It does where I live. And it’s enforceable by the mortgage companies. You have to agree to maintain insurance to get a mortgage. It’s not enforced by government. In my case, I don’t have a mortgage and I could choose not to pay if I didn’t want it and nobody would bother me about it.
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Vonsalza
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You couldn’t do that without using a national ID and getting really “big brother” in the administration of our nation.
It just can’t work that way. So people who don’t have kids don’t pay school taxes? But what happens when they finally do? Do they have to pay back-taxes for the years they didn’t pay?
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OK, can you at least say which state you live in?Vonsalza:
It does where I live. And it’s enforceable by the mortgage companies. You have to agree to maintain insurance to get a mortgage. It’s not enforced by government. In my case, I don’t have a mortgage and I could choose not to pay if I didn’t want it and nobody would bother me about it.
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The fixed cost of a FD would just be distributed over fewer people. So yeah, someone might eventually bug you about it if enough people pull out.Vonsalza:
It does where I live. And it’s enforceable by the mortgage companies. You have to agree to maintain insurance to get a mortgage. It’s not enforced by government. In my case, I don’t have a mortgage and I could choose not to pay if I didn’t want it and nobody would bother me about it.
Either way. A place in the country where there isn’t some government agency responsible for putting your housefire out? Considering affecting neighbors and neighboring lands?
My B.S. meter is starting to rise.
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Cruciferi
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Give me a chip in my hand, a barcode on my neck, a GPS in my car, and a National ID to boot! I guarantee none of the Oligarchy in our country, let alone local politicians, will have to cooperate. We the people must suffer the burdensome yoke of our deplorable leaders.
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I don’t know if you can get anymore big brother than forcing someone at gun point to give money to something.
And really, you wouldn’t need anything more than what the government already does. We have the IRS to keep track of us.
And really, you wouldn’t need anything more than what the government already does. We have the IRS to keep track of us.
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Lemuel
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If the neighbors have paid for the service, the fire department would be there to protect them from my fire. But that would never happen for two reasons. I gladly pay for the service and there’s no burning of my house that could possibly injure my neighbors. They all live too far away.
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Vonsalza
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As the fires in CA currently prove, it’s not just a concern for their houses. It’s burning land in general.Vonsalza:
If the neighbors have paid for the service, the fire department would be there to protect them from my fire. But that would never happen for two reasons. I gladly pay for the service and there’s no burning of my house that could possibly injure my neighbors. They all live too far away.
Someone in a government office will be held accountable for it. You just don’t know who they are.
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Well, I will give you that.
As much as I disagree with pretty much everything the government does, I can say that I disagree even more with da Soviets.
As much as I disagree with pretty much everything the government does, I can say that I disagree even more with da Soviets.
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Lemuel
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Accountable for what? I pay for fire protection. If my house catches fire, I don’t need the government to bail me out. Government is not my mommy.
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I smiled at this.Vonsalza:
Accountable for what? I pay for fire protection. If my house catches fire, I don’t need the government to bail me out. Government is not my mommy.
In short, it’s “I don’t need the government to provide fire protection! Me and my fellow neighbors will get together and fund a common fire dept. for our common good! And we’'l pass rules on how it works! And “gubmint” can stay out!”
Sweetheart, what you did was form a mini-“gubmint”.
Ya know, people getting together and funding something for the common good?
Either way, when someone doesn’t pay and your mini-government fails to put out the fire and another 10,000 acres of scrub catch in a blaze from it, the big government you disdain will come and try to solve it.
Same activity. Larger scale.
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Lemuel
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Not really. I can opt in or opt out. That’s a huge difference. It’s the difference between freedom and tyranny.
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Vonsalza
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Show me a city where you can opt out of a fire dept tax and I’ll show you a charred ruin.
The “unfettered liberty” model breaks down completely when you get people tight enough together where their decisions immediately affect other people.
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