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Maxirad
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Should Californians be particularly afraid of the results of this action?
California Governor Gavin Newsom Bans Sale Of Gas-Powered Cars In State By 2035, Issues Executive Order
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Zzyzx_Road
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Yes. The poor who can’t afford expensive cars will be eventually be forced to buy them anyway. Who’s going to pay for the hookups they need at their homes?
Another example of how rich white liberals like to screw the poor for their own ends.
Another example of how rich white liberals like to screw the poor for their own ends.
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RidgeSprinter
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That is one Democrat thing, I 100% disagree with.
He might as well ban Mudslides, Forest Fires, and Earthquakes.
He might as well ban Mudslides, Forest Fires, and Earthquakes.
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Sarcelle
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That is most likely to happen.
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Rockoh22
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Wow, I do not know why But this made me laugh a lot.
LeafByNiggle
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Today electric cars are more expensive than gas, but by 2035 - that’s 15 years away - it is not expected to be that different. Besides, any ban that far in the future is subject to cancellation before it even takes effect - if that proves to be more desireable.
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Rockoh22
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This is a political push. Is it good or not? we would not know until then. I think is wishful thinking, and pandering. But this can also be undone in the future. 15 years from now, the will deal with it then.
I am not sure electric cars are the thing. From Fossil fuels to cell power? It all depends on the energy source.
It does bring up a good topic to talk about.
I am not sure electric cars are the thing. From Fossil fuels to cell power? It all depends on the energy source.
It does bring up a good topic to talk about.
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tuscany
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The dude can’t even keep the electricity in the state on now as it is.
So no fossil fuel and no new hydro power… where is all this magic energy going to appear from? The sun doesn’t shine at night, or that much during the winter, and the wind isn’t always blowing. And each house having their own batteries to store all this solar energy for house use and to recharge every car each night are REALLY expensive. Where is all this electricity going to originate from?
Almost 4 Million acres of Cali have burned in the last month alone, and THIS is what Newsom is worried about…
So no fossil fuel and no new hydro power… where is all this magic energy going to appear from? The sun doesn’t shine at night, or that much during the winter, and the wind isn’t always blowing. And each house having their own batteries to store all this solar energy for house use and to recharge every car each night are REALLY expensive. Where is all this electricity going to originate from?
Almost 4 Million acres of Cali have burned in the last month alone, and THIS is what Newsom is worried about…
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LeafByNiggle
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It is now, but if there is a technological revolution in battery technology in 15 years, that could all change.
They are related. Overuse of fossil fuels has accelerated climate change and climate change has intensified the conditions that bring about more fires.
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RidgeSprinter
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Oh yes, a whole lot can change in 15 years. Just look at cell phone batteries over the last 15 years.
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tuscany
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LeafByNiggle
"It is now, but if there is a technological revolution in battery technology in 15 years, that could all change."
Leaf, you have a lot hanging on the word " if ".
“They are related. Overuse of fossil fuels has accelerated climate change and climate change has intensified the conditions that bring about more fires.”
I disagree with you. Some of our Cali Giant Redwoods Forests are over 2,000 years old. They were growing here when Jesus was building plows with Joseph on the other side of the world. Rings from those trees show very wet/cold centuries and very dry/hot centuries, and no fossil fuels were being used then. First Americans cut and used the trees, then the Russians and Spanish did the same. Then the Europeans did the same. Forests in Cali were healthy until the 1970’s-2020.
From the 1970’s-2020, logging was basically stopped and the forests were just left. If say, normally there would be 20 trees per acre, with enough water and nutrients to support them, they would be healthy enough to withstand drought years. When you now have 100-200 trees on that same acre trying to live with the same water/nutrients, there isn’t enough and the trees are stressed and sickly. Then when you have drought years, the sickly trees are stressed to the max and can’t survive Bark Beetles or drought, and they die. Then these millions and millions of acres of dead trees are just left there, mountain after mountain of fuel just waiting to burn. Of course these forest fires are going to be much larger and more intense because of all the fuel just sitting there waiting for it. A fire can’t burn if there’s no fuel.
The climate has been changing since the earth began, humans or no humans. The earth has been much warmer than it is now, and it has been much colder.
"It is now, but if there is a technological revolution in battery technology in 15 years, that could all change."
Leaf, you have a lot hanging on the word " if ".
“They are related. Overuse of fossil fuels has accelerated climate change and climate change has intensified the conditions that bring about more fires.”
I disagree with you. Some of our Cali Giant Redwoods Forests are over 2,000 years old. They were growing here when Jesus was building plows with Joseph on the other side of the world. Rings from those trees show very wet/cold centuries and very dry/hot centuries, and no fossil fuels were being used then. First Americans cut and used the trees, then the Russians and Spanish did the same. Then the Europeans did the same. Forests in Cali were healthy until the 1970’s-2020.
From the 1970’s-2020, logging was basically stopped and the forests were just left. If say, normally there would be 20 trees per acre, with enough water and nutrients to support them, they would be healthy enough to withstand drought years. When you now have 100-200 trees on that same acre trying to live with the same water/nutrients, there isn’t enough and the trees are stressed and sickly. Then when you have drought years, the sickly trees are stressed to the max and can’t survive Bark Beetles or drought, and they die. Then these millions and millions of acres of dead trees are just left there, mountain after mountain of fuel just waiting to burn. Of course these forest fires are going to be much larger and more intense because of all the fuel just sitting there waiting for it. A fire can’t burn if there’s no fuel.
The climate has been changing since the earth began, humans or no humans. The earth has been much warmer than it is now, and it has been much colder.
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jeannetherese
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I think we all should be concerned, not just about Mr. Newsom and his ban, but about the way that, increasingly, at both state and federal levels we are seeing governors and presidents attempting to rule via executive fiat.
It isn’t brand new, and I found it troubling during Mr. Obama’s presidency, as well as at this time. I think it undermines democracy and needs to be critiqued.
It isn’t brand new, and I found it troubling during Mr. Obama’s presidency, as well as at this time. I think it undermines democracy and needs to be critiqued.
Not just there.
Local city mayors have been doing the same.
I’m just wondering if it shows how little power they have…or how much abuse there can be.
For instance, Alabama has an executive order for masks in public. No one is following it and no one is enforcing it.
Likewise in a few cities I travel in. Local mayor writes an executive order, and no one follows it.
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Maxirad
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Um, will California more or less become Cuba in the near future?
http://www.newgeography.com/content/006786-newsom-promotes-california-be-vintage-car-capital
http://www.newgeography.com/content/006786-newsom-promotes-california-be-vintage-car-capital
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tuscany
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Emperor Newsom fiddles while Cali literally burns. How about focusing on the newest group of people having to run for their lives last night as new fires broke out all over the wine country? But hey, being preoccupied with electric cars and making sure that transgendered folks are housed differently is what’s vital.
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