Call for pope to step down over Holocaust denier

[placido]

This was a bad move on Rome’s part from the start. Giving the SPPX everything they wanted and not asking for reciprocity. Since the move Bp. Fellay has said the SPPX still has problems with Vatican 2. Instead of humbling themselves, the order is showing, IMO, its hubris.

If more anti-semtitc stuff comes out IMO I think it could become impossible for Rome to reconcile with the SPPX as an organization.

Far betteer that individual SPPX priests and laypeople return to Rome. As I said, its becoming somewhat problematic if a formal reconciliation can occur now giving the growing world outrage over this.

World outrage came as a result of malicious and sensational media reports. The rehabilitaion of ex-communicated clerics has nothing to do with their wrong views of history.

POPE’S CONDEMNATION OF HOLOCAUST DENIAL IS CLEAR

VATICAN CITY, 4 FEB 2009 (VIS) - Holy See Press Office Director Fr. Federico Lombardi S.J. made the following declaration yesterday afternoon:

"With reference to the latest requests for clarification concerning the position of the Pope and the Catholic Church on the subject of the Holocaust, it should be borne in mind that the Pope’s ideas on this matter were very clearly expressed at the synagogue of Cologne, Germany, on 19 August 2005, at the concentration camp of Auschwitz-Birkenau on 28 May 2006, in the general audience of 31 May 2006 and, more recently, at the end of his general audience of 28 January this year, with unambiguous words of which we highlight the following: 'As I once again affectionately express my full and indisputable solidarity with our Brothers and Sisters who received the First Covenant, I trust that the memory of the Shoah will induce humankind to reflect upon the unpredictable power of evil when it conquers the heart of man. May the Shoah be for everyone an admonition against oblivion, negation and reductionism…

"The condemnation of Holocaust denial could not have been clearer, and from the context it is obvious that this also referred to the views of Msgr. Williamson and to all similar views.

On the same occasion the Pope also clearly explained the purpose of the remission of the excommunication, which has nothing to do with legitimising Holocaust denial - something that, as we have explained, he clearly condemns".

The last paragraph says it all.

 

[Gerry_Hunter]

There’s been a lot of careless use of terms in this issue.

References are made to this Bishop’s “rehabilitation.” He has not been rehabilitated at all, and it is mischief to state or suggest that he (or any of the SSPX Bishops) has been. These people, and their followers, are still in schism. Excommunications have been lifted on Eastern Orthodox Patriarchs in past years, and yet they, too, are not “rehabilitated” Bishops; they remain is schism.

There’s been too much spin by the out-and-out ignorant, and out-and-out hateful. I note the reference to the Cardinal Archbishop of Vienna’s assertion that there should be no rehabilitation for a holocaust denier. There hasn’t been. So this cannot be honestly taken to be a criticism of the removal of excommunication, a separate issue altogether. And I daresay that, should full rehabilitation be approached, then this issue will indeed be addresses as it is proper.

The only thing about this episode that is useful is that a lot of anti-Catholics, who may have been less visible, can now be seen for what they are. For openers, did anyone really expect either the Guardian or the Times - the two most prominent organs that misrepresented what happened, to say ANYTHING good about the Church? Good heavens, if the Holy Father, or someone in the Curia were to walk on water, those bozos would trumpet it as evidence that they could not swim.

Blessings,

Gerry

 

[cathgal]

I was referring to posts here. Making look like some one denying the holocaust is not a big deal.

Oh really. If you recall:

This stupid move by the Pope will result in more Catholics leaving the Church. Furthermore damage relationships between the Vatican and Israel. Not to mention damaged relationship between Jew and Catholics.

You’re saying by the Pope’s action, he’s denying the horror of the Holocaust ??

You’re quilty in the 1st degree !

 

[Corki]

There’s been a lot of careless use of terms in this issue.

References are made to this Bishop’s “rehabilitation.” He has not been rehabilitated at all, and it is mischief to state or suggest that he (or any of the SSPX Bishops) has been. These people, and their followers, are still in schism. Excommunications have been lifted on Eastern Orthodox Patriarchs in past years, and yet they, too, are not “rehabilitated” Bishops; they remain is schism.

There’s been too much spin by the out-and-out ignorant, and out-and-out hateful. I note the reference to the Cardinal Archbishop of Vienna’s assertion that there should be no rehabilitation for a holocaust denier. There hasn’t been. So this cannot be honestly taken to be a criticism of the removal of excommunication, a separate issue altogether. And I daresay that, should full rehabilitation be approached, then this issue will indeed be addresses as it is proper.

The only thing about this episode that is useful is that a lot of anti-Catholics, who may have been less visible, can now be seen for what they are. For openers, did anyone really expect either the Guardian or the Times - the two most prominent organs that misrepresented what happened, to say ANYTHING good about the Church? Good heavens, if the Holy Father, or someone in the Curia were to walk on water, those bozos would trumpet it as evidence that they could not swim.

Blessings,

Gerry

Well said. There has not been any rehabilitation yet. And, contrary to an earlier post, the SSPX bishops were not given “everything they wanted”. They were given a minimal gesture that hopefully will open the door to bringing the whole group back into regular status.

I greatly admire the Cardinal Archbishop of Vienna but wonder if his comments have been reported out of context. Is there truly any sinner the Church would not want to rehabilitate? Isn’t her goal always to bring everyone back and to keep trying as long as those people are still alive?

 

[placido]

There’s been a lot of careless use of terms in this issue.

References are made to this Bishop’s “rehabilitation.” He has not been rehabilitated at all, and it is mischief to state or suggest that he (or any of the SSPX Bishops) has been. These people, and their followers, are still in schism. Excommunications have been lifted on Eastern Orthodox Patriarchs in past years, and yet they, too, are not “rehabilitated” Bishops; they remain is schism.

There’s been too much spin by the out-and-out ignorant, and out-and-out hateful. I note the reference to the Cardinal Archbishop of Vienna’s assertion that there should be no rehabilitation for a holocaust denier. There hasn’t been. So this cannot be honestly taken to be a criticism of the removal of excommunication, a separate issue altogether. And I daresay that, should full rehabilitation be approached, then this issue will indeed be addresses as it is proper.

The only thing about this episode that is useful is that a lot of anti-Catholics, who may have been less visible, can now be seen for what they are. For openers, did anyone really expect either the Guardian or the Times - the two most prominent organs that misrepresented what happened, to say ANYTHING good about the Church? Good heavens, if the Holy Father, or someone in the Curia were to walk on water, those bozos would trumpet it as evidence that they could not swim.

Blessings,

Gerry

I agree totally.
BTW I only used the term “rehabilitation” because that is the term apparently used by the Cardinal Archbishop of Vienna.

 

[jimmy]

6 million Jews murdered is not a storm in a tea cup. Denying and being unrepentent about it… that is a problem with me. Bringing back SSPX into fold that is a good thing.
My issue is with Williamson.If he was sorry for his remarks and show repentence then yes I say forgive him and bring him back into the Church.

What Bishop Williamson said is not a sin nor does it need repentance. Maybe it was wrong but there is no where in the scripture or anywhere that says you have to agree with any perspective on history.

This is the typical thinking of Europe who is headed toward an authoritarian system that rejects free speech.

 

[josephdavid]

What Bishop Williamson said is not a sin nor does it need repentance. Maybe it was wrong but there is no where in the scripture or anywhere that says you have to agree with any perspective on history.

This is the typical thinking of Europe who is headed toward an authoritarian system that rejects free speech.

Actually when working in Germany (was there last month) I never have problem with free speach. But denying their past faults in regards to 6 million lives. They take it very seriously.

Well being we are not a country that started 2 World Wars and a country does not account for our own Holocausts we can not sympathize why in regards to that issue it is against the law.