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believers
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Please tell your pope that his church shouldn’t be giving the title of “father” to its priests. It’s a no no.
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water
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Some what you sentence shows some kind of disrespect - just to let you know.
Why don’t you pray for it if you believe, believer? .
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stignatius
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I’m apologize if I’m beginning to sound unChristian, but did you even read the quotes?
He also says not to call anyone your “teacher”, and I’ve given you examples of people being called RELIGIOUS teachers.It might be easier if you just read this and get back to us:
catholic.com/library/Call_No_Man_Father.asp
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Mystic_of_God
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Oh come ON!
Don’t we have better things to do with our time than to beat dead horses?
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believers
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If the pope changed the title given to priests from “father” to “teacher”, that would still be blasphemy.I’m apologize if I’m beginning to sound unChristian, but did you even read the quotes?
It might be easier if you just read this and get back to us:
catholic.com/library/Call_No_Man_Father.asp
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St_Violet
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I wish believers would respond to the post before my last one, believers I feel that we’re just going in circles with you, you seem to already made up your mind that your gonna consider calling a priest father blasphemy, when these catholics proved you wrong mulitple times.
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believers
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What part of this don’t you understand. Your pope has given the title of “father” to its priests.
Please tell your pope that he has no right to give to ANY MAN the title of “father”. For one is the Father.
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St_Violet
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gee, i better tell the samething to St. Paul then
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Sixtus
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Water wrote:
That’s the problem with these early popes and bishops: give them an inch and they took a mile
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water
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So, some did take this challenge and thus they let their ego drove them? That’s bad, isn’t it.Water wrote:
That’s the problem with these early popes and bishops: give them an inch and they took a mile
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Sixtus
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Now ‘teacher’ is the name given to one who teaches a large group. One who teaches a smaller one is called a ‘tutor’, so surely the rule should extend to tutor’s as well?
Now another form of teacher is a ‘facilitator’, that too!!!
What about ‘Instructor’ which is by definition just another form of teaching. So too ‘Driving Instructor’!!! Maufacturers of self assembly units which include ‘instructions’ which is derived from Instructor. The manufacturer is by definition the 'instructor issuing the [self assembly] instructions.
One could equally argue ‘catechetic’ is also a form of teacher, therefore is this blasphemous too!!!
So as not to discriminate, surely the students when they act as ‘peer support’ otherwise known as ‘peer teaching’ aiding each others learning!!!
…and so the list goes on!
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jmcrae
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Actually the Pope did not do that. In many countries, the term is not even used - it’s really only in the English speaking world and a few others. I know a priest from Poland who never heard of it before - he is used to being called “Priest So-and-so,” rather than “Father So-and-so,” The proper title is either “Reverend” or “Doctor” depending on his level of education. (Who uses proper titles in everyday conversation, though?)
“Father” is a term of affection (love, friendship, agape, etc.) that is customarily given by the lay people to show that he is the spiritual head of their spiritual household.
Again, it’s not an official title. It’s the same as if a Protestant calls someone “Brother” or “Sister” - it’s nothing more than a commonly-used term of affection.
Jesus was not forbidding this sort of thing when He said “Call no man your father, teacher, master, elder, rabbi, etc.” - rather, He was exhorting us never to put any person in the place of God - that we are to remember that those whom we do call Father, whether they be our natural, adoptive,or spiritual fathers, is also a son, and also a brother - he does not take the place of God in our lives.
So far, I have never met any Catholic who confused his priest with God. (I have met one who thought his priest might be the Devil, though.) We are, for the most part, fully aware of the humanity and frailty of our priests.
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holy_wood
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The Elders of the Church are Called “Fathers” and the Faithful "Children"
Matt. 23:9 - Jesus says, “call no man father.” But Protestants use this verse in an attempt to prove that it is wrong for Catholics to call priests “father.” This is an example of “eisegesis” (imposing one’s views upon a passage) as opposed to “exegesis” (drawing out the meaning of the passage from its context). In this verse, Jesus was discouraging His followers from elevating the scribes and Pharisees to the titles of “fathers” and “rabbis” because they were hypocrites. Jesus warns us not to elevate anyone to the level of our heavenly Father.
**Matt. 23:8 – in this teaching, Jesus also says not to call anyone teacher or rabbi as well. But don’t Protestants call their teachers “teacher?” What about this commandment of Jesus? When Protestants say “call no man father,” they must also argue that we cannot call any man teacher either. **
Judges 17:10; 18:19 - priesthood and fatherhood have always been identified together. Fatherhood literally means “communicating one’s nature,” and just as biological fathers communicate their nature to their children, so do spiritual fathers communicate the nature of God to us, their children, through (hopefully) teaching and example.
Eph. 3:14-15 - every family in heaven and on earth is named from the “Father.” We are fathers in the Father.
Acts 7:2; 22:1,1 John 2:13 - elders of the Church are called “fathers.” Therefore, we should ask the question, "Why don’t Protestants call their pastors “father?”
1 Cor. 4:15 - Paul writes, “I became your father in Christ Jesus.”
1 Cor. 4:17 - Paul calls Bishop Timothy a beloved and faithful “child” in the Lord.
2 Cor. 12:14 - Paul describes his role as parent over his “children” the Corinthians.
Phil. 2:22 - Paul calls Timothy’s service to him as a son serves a “father.”
1 Thess. 2:11- Paul compares the Church elders’ ministry to the people like a father with his children.
1 Tim. 1:2,18; 2 Tim. 1:2-3 - Paul calls Timothy his true “child” in the faith and his son.
Titus 1:4 - Paul calls Titus his true “child” in a common faith. Priests are our spiritual fathers in the family of God.
Philemon 10 - Paul says he has become the “father” of Onesimus.
Heb. 12:7,9 - emphasizes our earthly “fathers.” But these are not just biological but also spiritual (the priests of the Church).
1 Peter 5:13 - Peter refers to himself as father by calling Mark his “son.”
1 John 2:1,13,14 - John calls the elders of the Church “fathers.”
1 John 2:1,18,28; 3:18; 5:21; 3 John 4 - John calls members of the Church “children.”
1 Macc. 2:65 - Mattathias the priest tells his sons that Simeon will be their “father.”
III. Other Examples Where Jesus Uses the Word “Father” When Teaching
Matt. 15:4-5; 19:19 - Jesus uses “father” when He teaches God’s commandment to “Honor your father and your mother.”
Mark 7:10-12; Luke 18:20 - these are more examples of Jesus using “father” when teaching about honoring our fathers and mothers.
Eph. 6:2,4 - Paul also teaches to honor your “father” and mother, and says “fathers,” do not provoke your children.
Matt. 10:21; 35,37; Mark 13:12 - Jesus says “father” will deliver up his child in the last days.
Matt. 19:5; Mark 10:7,19 - Jesus says a man shall leave his “father” and mother and be joined to his wife. See also Eph. 5:31.
Matt. 19:29; Mark 10:29-30 - Jesus says whoever has left mother or “father” for His sake shall receive a hundredfold.
Matt. 21:31 - Jesus uses “father” when he teaches about the parable of the two sons and asks, "who did the will of his “father?”
Luke 6:23,26 - Jesus speaks about reward and punishment with reference to what their “fathers” did to the prophets.
Luke 11:11 - Jesus says what “father” among you will give his child a serpent when he asks for a fish.
Luke 11:47-48 - Jesus tells the lawyers they are witnesses to the deeds of their “fathers.”
Luke 14:26 - Jesus says we must leave our “fathers” and mothers and come to him, or we cannot be His disciple.
Luke 15:12,17-18,20-22,27-29 - Jesus repeatedly uses “father” when teaching about the prodigal son.
Luke 16:27 - Jesus uses “father” when teaching about the rich man in purgatory.
John 6:49,58 - Jesus says your “fathers” ate the manna in the wilderness and died.
Matt. 23:9 - Jesus says, “call no man father.” But Protestants use this verse in an attempt to prove that it is wrong for Catholics to call priests “father.” This is an example of “eisegesis” (imposing one’s views upon a passage) as opposed to “exegesis” (drawing out the meaning of the passage from its context). In this verse, Jesus was discouraging His followers from elevating the scribes and Pharisees to the titles of “fathers” and “rabbis” because they were hypocrites. Jesus warns us not to elevate anyone to the level of our heavenly Father.
**Matt. 23:8 – in this teaching, Jesus also says not to call anyone teacher or rabbi as well. But don’t Protestants call their teachers “teacher?” What about this commandment of Jesus? When Protestants say “call no man father,” they must also argue that we cannot call any man teacher either. **
Judges 17:10; 18:19 - priesthood and fatherhood have always been identified together. Fatherhood literally means “communicating one’s nature,” and just as biological fathers communicate their nature to their children, so do spiritual fathers communicate the nature of God to us, their children, through (hopefully) teaching and example.
Eph. 3:14-15 - every family in heaven and on earth is named from the “Father.” We are fathers in the Father.
Acts 7:2; 22:1,1 John 2:13 - elders of the Church are called “fathers.” Therefore, we should ask the question, "Why don’t Protestants call their pastors “father?”
1 Cor. 4:15 - Paul writes, “I became your father in Christ Jesus.”
1 Cor. 4:17 - Paul calls Bishop Timothy a beloved and faithful “child” in the Lord.
2 Cor. 12:14 - Paul describes his role as parent over his “children” the Corinthians.
Phil. 2:22 - Paul calls Timothy’s service to him as a son serves a “father.”
1 Thess. 2:11- Paul compares the Church elders’ ministry to the people like a father with his children.
1 Tim. 1:2,18; 2 Tim. 1:2-3 - Paul calls Timothy his true “child” in the faith and his son.
Titus 1:4 - Paul calls Titus his true “child” in a common faith. Priests are our spiritual fathers in the family of God.
Philemon 10 - Paul says he has become the “father” of Onesimus.
Heb. 12:7,9 - emphasizes our earthly “fathers.” But these are not just biological but also spiritual (the priests of the Church).
1 Peter 5:13 - Peter refers to himself as father by calling Mark his “son.”
1 John 2:1,13,14 - John calls the elders of the Church “fathers.”
1 John 2:1,18,28; 3:18; 5:21; 3 John 4 - John calls members of the Church “children.”
1 Macc. 2:65 - Mattathias the priest tells his sons that Simeon will be their “father.”
III. Other Examples Where Jesus Uses the Word “Father” When Teaching
Matt. 15:4-5; 19:19 - Jesus uses “father” when He teaches God’s commandment to “Honor your father and your mother.”
Mark 7:10-12; Luke 18:20 - these are more examples of Jesus using “father” when teaching about honoring our fathers and mothers.
Eph. 6:2,4 - Paul also teaches to honor your “father” and mother, and says “fathers,” do not provoke your children.
Matt. 10:21; 35,37; Mark 13:12 - Jesus says “father” will deliver up his child in the last days.
Matt. 19:5; Mark 10:7,19 - Jesus says a man shall leave his “father” and mother and be joined to his wife. See also Eph. 5:31.
Matt. 19:29; Mark 10:29-30 - Jesus says whoever has left mother or “father” for His sake shall receive a hundredfold.
Matt. 21:31 - Jesus uses “father” when he teaches about the parable of the two sons and asks, "who did the will of his “father?”
Luke 6:23,26 - Jesus speaks about reward and punishment with reference to what their “fathers” did to the prophets.
Luke 11:11 - Jesus says what “father” among you will give his child a serpent when he asks for a fish.
Luke 11:47-48 - Jesus tells the lawyers they are witnesses to the deeds of their “fathers.”
Luke 14:26 - Jesus says we must leave our “fathers” and mothers and come to him, or we cannot be His disciple.
Luke 15:12,17-18,20-22,27-29 - Jesus repeatedly uses “father” when teaching about the prodigal son.
Luke 16:27 - Jesus uses “father” when teaching about the rich man in purgatory.
John 6:49,58 - Jesus says your “fathers” ate the manna in the wilderness and died.
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hosemonkey
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Some protestants NEED something to complain about. I guess it makes them feel as if they are “witnessing” to the heathen. Of course, one has to know that protestantism has discovered all these errors commited by the Church that Jesus Christ Himself founded only fairly recently and they burn to point them out. Some protestants will listen and learn, others are so busy “witnessing” that anything you say is drowned out. Me, I’m kinda like that animal in the zoo who had a sign on his cage that said, “Warning! This animal is vicious, when attacked, he defends himself.”
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holy_wood
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What errors are you referring to.:ehh:
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St_Violet
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I tottally agree, if our priest weren’t called father, they’d definitly would be complaining about something else, I remember when I first encounter this argument from some protestants i instantly thought " oh goodness these guys are just reaching for some attack". I mean if their not catholic, then they have nothing to whine about, if their former catholics well then why do they continue to whine. there have been more then plenty enough scriptural evidence to prove there is nothing blasphemous about calling someone father but they insist that their interpretation is better even when they just got served BIG TIME, ALLLRIGHT gigity
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hosemonkey
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I was using irony and sarcasm to make the point that the protestants regard many things that Catholics believe as error. The fact is is that the Church cannot teach error.
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stignatius
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Honestly, read the site. Lots of people are called “teacher” in the Bible. This is ridiculous…
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St_Violet
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tottally ridculous, the non catholics have been served more then twice and we’re just going in circhles, why doesn’t someone make another thread about the catholic church being the whore of babylon.
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Mannyfit75
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Because they persist in their errors. We give them answers but all they do is cover their ears and not listen. It’s is very annoying.
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