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zz912
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Why do you not join the Catholic Church if unity is the most important thing?
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zz912
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Just as circumcision was the entrance into the Old Covenant, baptism is the entrance to the New Covenant. Many people don’t understand what a covenant is. (Which is sad considering the Bible is divided into two sections, OT and NT. But here’s the rub, Testament means Covenant, it doesn’t meant testimony. So the OT and NT are really the Old Covenant and New Covenant. We should study more to understand better why this is so important.)
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Lutgardis
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The Church allows for “mixed marriage” (marriage between a Catholic and a baptized non-Catholic). CCC: 1634 ". . . Difference of confession between the spouses does not constitute an insurmountable obstacle for marriage, when they succeed in placing in common what they have received from their respective communities, and learn from each other the way in which each lives in fidelity to Christ. . . "What is the catholic church’s official position on marrying outside the faith? A young man I work with married outside the catholic church, and his parents disowned him; wouldn’t even attend the wedding, very sad!
The Church wisely acknowledges that in mixed marriages, there should be caution: CCC 1634: “. . . But the difficulties of mixed marriages must not be underestimated. They arise from the fact that the separation of Christians has not yet been overcome. the spouses risk experiencing the tragedy of Christian disunity even in the heart of their own home. . .”
. . . and that mutual love and respect is necessary: CCC 1636: “Through ecumenical dialogue Christian communities in many regions have been able to put into effect a common pastoral practice for mixed marriages. Its task is to help such couples live out their particular situation in the light of faith, ocvercome the tensions between the couple’s obligations to each other and toward their ecclesial communites, and encourage the flowering of what is common to them in faith and respect for what separates them.”
One important proviso is that permission is given by the Church IF there is an agreement that the children of such unions will be baptized into and educated in the Catholic faith. (CCC: 1635): “This permission or dispensation presupposes that both parties know and do not exclude the essential ends and properties of marriage; and furthermore that the Catholic part confirms the obligations, which have been made known to the no-Catholic party, of perserving his or her own faith and ensuring the baptism and education of the children in the Catholic Church.”
Insofar as the parents who disowned their son for marrying outside the Church, I can only say that I, as one who loves the Catholic Church and appreciates the richness and fullness of our faith, understand their deep sadness! That being said, parents should not disown their children or treat them with contempt because they fall in love with a Christian from another denomination. This is not the teaching of the Church, and such a stance, in my view, is not only very sad, but also indefensible.
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rinnie
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1b How are you!! I agree with you here. The Church also agrees because it will marry 2 people who are not of the same faith.Well, whatever we are when we get to Heaven(somedays, I can hardly wait), I still believe this marriage could work. I know many couples of differing faiths who have been married for 20 or 30 years plus; and it seems that they have found a Way to make it work. I know one couple, she is Jewish, he is catholic, and they go to each other’s churches, and revel in the differences and similarities. Another couple is Baptis/catholic, and it is working. So, I guess it is true that "what God has joined together, let no man put asunder. What is the catholic church’s official position on marrying outside the faith? A young man I work with married outside the catholic church, and his parents disowned him; wouldn’t even attend the wedding, very sad!
The Church believes that God has blessed the marriage and the Holy Spirit will take over and help the couple. And the Church can nor will ever force the other to be Catholic.
The Holy Spirit will take care of that
Just kidding! But we believe that if God wants the truth to be revealed and it will be, when God says and when God feels the person is ready to accept the truth that is revealed!! (did ya understand all that lb
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1beleevr
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That’s an easy one; don’t believe in calling the pope holy father, don’t believe in praying through Mary or the saints, and don’t believe in confession to a mere mortal! Besides, it doesn’t matter what denomination you were once you get to Heaven; we’re all saints!
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1beleevr
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Well, well, how the heck are you, rinnie, my friend and sister in Christ? Yes, I understand and think it is so cool that two people can be joined in marriage, even though they are not the same denomination! Most couples I know who are married in that way(and some have been married a l-o-n-g time), try to learn as much as they can about the other’s beliefs and share their faith and belief in Christ. It is a bee-yoo-tee-ful thing to see!1b How are you!! I agree with you here. The Church also agrees because it will marry 2 people who are not of the same faith.
The Church believes that God has blessed the marriage and the Holy Spirit will take over and help the couple. And the Church can nor will ever force the other to be Catholic.
The Holy Spirit will take care of that
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Modestly_Anne
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So what did that mean for women? Were they totally excluded from the covenant in the Old Testament?
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SteveGC
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No, under Mosaic Law, I believe that females were covered under the Old Covenant by virtue of the principle of male representation.
In other words, since woman can’t be literally circumcised, the seed passing through the federal headship of the circumcised father was their circumcision, and brought them under the covenant.
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zz912
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If it doesn’t matter what denomination you are, then you have NO reason to not join the Catholic Church. As you said earlier, unity is vital, and as you also said, which denomination doesn’t matter. So stand by your professed beliefs and enroll in RCIA today.That’s an easy one; don’t believe in calling the pope holy father, don’t believe in praying through Mary or the saints, and don’t believe in confession to a mere mortal! Besides, it doesn’t matter what denomination you were once you get to Heaven; we’re all saints!
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zz912
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The whole family was entered into the covenant by the head of household’s circumcision. A similar theme is in Acts, when the whole households were baptized based on the faith of the head of the household.
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FromTheAshes777
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So what is the sign of the New Covenant and the door through which one enters into the Church?
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1beleevr
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You need to read post#62 again; in it I state my objections to certaincatholic traditions or rules. Such as calling the pope Holy Father, confession to a mere mortal, and praying through Mary and or the saints. And denomination is not a vital part of your salvation; it involves a personal relationship with Jesus! So, you see, I don’t need to enroll in rica!
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1beleevr
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I believe that part of the signs of the New Covenant, was the tearing of the curtain/veil when Christ died on the Cross. It removed a barrier between man and God, which had existed since Adam and Eve fell in the Garden. It allowed man to approach and commune with God, without a priest!
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Miriam1947
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This might be a very good book for you.
***The Biblical Basis for the Catholic Faith.
*** by John Salza.
What you do not seem to know is that the NT was written by and came through the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church canonized the OT and decided which books were inspired and copied and kept them for all those centuries before the invention of the printing press. “For God so loved the world He sent a book?” No. So only the literate can know Jesus and God? Again, No.
History is your friend. As Blessed John Cardinal Newman said: “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.”
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1beleevr
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Thank you for your concern for my spiritual health!
And I’m sure you can make a historical basis for the existence of the catholic church. Unfortunately, you cannot make Biblical foundations to support the three(at least 3) objections I have as to calling a man Holy Father, praying through the saints or Mary, and confession through a mere mortal man!
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zz912
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I’m testing you against your own words. You said that 1) unity is vital, and 2) denomination doesn’t matter. So by your own words your objections to Catholicism are immaterial. If you truly believe in unity and that denominations don’t matter, you would enter the Catholic Church.
But your claim that denominations don’t matter is only skin deep and you don’t really believe it. By your actions (or inactions in this case) you prove your statement false.
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mwok
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We can make Biblical foundations for praying for the dead AND for the saints intercession.Thank you for your concern for my spiritual health!
It can be found in 2 Maccabees.
Also, confessing to a mere mortal.
If Jesus said “whos sins you forgive are forgiven”, how would the Apostles know what sins to forgive if nobody tells them?
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Lutgardis
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It is obvious 1beleevr is not interested in becoming Catholic. Why cannot we adopt the Christian precept of: “In the essentials, unity, in the non essentials, liberty, in all–charity.” ? We’re all Christians; let’s leave it at that and stop bickering; it’s so unattractive
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rinnie
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Yes it is. Did you ever notice also, now before I begin you know me, how I am a DIE HARD RC and love my faith, But with that said how People who believe in God and attend Church every Sunday even if they are different faiths can somehow work it out.Well, well, how the heck are you, rinnie, my friend and sister in Christ? Yes, I understand and think it is so cool that two people can be joined in marriage, even though they are not the same denomination! Most couples I know who are married in that way(and some have been married a l-o-n-g time), try to learn as much as they can about the other’s beliefs and share their faith and belief in Christ. It is a bee-yoo-tee-ful thing to see!
It all comes down to the Grace of God. I don’t care what FATH you are, or what Church you claim to belong, If you don’t LIVE that faith what is the difference?
How many times do you hear people say I am Catholic and she is Protestant so we can’t agree on a Church so we just quit going?
I am like yeah okay. SO that solved the problem huh
I like the saying I would take a good Protestant any day then a bad Catholic. or vice versa.
Its all about no matter what ANYONE says Getting on your hands and knees, praying to God begging him for the Grace to show you what he wants, and you using that Grace to do his work.
It all comes down to using the Grace you were given and living life through that Grace. And thanking him every single day for what we have been given, and asking his forgivenss for what we have done and what we have failed to do.
Can the relationship work? Only God knows. But can any relationship work? There must be 3 things. LOVE, RESPECT, AND GOD! I don’t care if you are Catholic. Baptist, we all have the ONE PERFECT PRAYER.
THE OUR FATHER! That is the one perfect prayer that can be said by all faiths at all times. Keep praying that prayer and you will see, THY kingdom come THY WILL be done. With GOd if theres a WILL theres a Way.
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1beleevr
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Nothing has changed in 200 years; denomination was not important then, and it is not important now. Your denomination is not part of your salvation!
Christians can be united if they put their differences aside, and share their common interest: Jesus Christ! So you see, joining the catholic church won’t get me any closer to Jesus than I already am!- Status