Can a catholic / baptist relationship work?

[Michael19682]

Yes, unequivocally YES. My father and his second wife have been happily married for more than 25 years. He was never much of an intellect, I was adopted, and step mom is Baptist. He gets into trouble with the Bible only mentality because he is not much of a debater and can’t be bothered with reading the book, not to mention he gives up too easily: but above all, scripture is the final authority on our morality also. So really, the baptists are often second best ideal ‘mates’ for Catholics; often unwavering in their zeal to adhere to scripture.

Only difficulty is that we have a greater history of interpretation; in other words some of our dogma will be theirs ultimately, they just want to reinvent the wheel for themselves. If your baptist can be made to acknowledge and trust in our long history of religious, scriptural, even archeological understanding of life’s dilemma’s answered by Christ’s teaching, he will probably see things differently.

I understand the relative immaturity of their doctrinal development and also that they are by and large sincere.

 

[Miriam1947]

Nothing has changed in 200 years; denomination was not important then, and it is not important now. Your denomination is not part of your salvation! Christians can be united if they put their differences aside, and share their common interest: Jesus Christ! So you see, joining the catholic church won’t get me any closer to Jesus than I already am!

The Catholic Church is not a denomination. Before Luther, if you were a Christian, you were a Catholic. I have never been as close to Jesus as I am as a Catholic.

That’s an easy one; don’t believe in calling the pope holy father, don’t believe in praying through Mary or the saints, and don’t believe in confession to a mere mortal! Besides, it doesn’t matter what denomination you were once you get to Heaven; we’re all saints!

Okay, you don’t believe in the Rock on which Christ built his church. (Kephas, Cephas) Read Matthew. Read Acts.

The Confession of Peter refers to an episode in the New Testament in which Apostle Peter proclaims Jesus to be Christ - the expected Messiah. The proclamation is described in the three Synoptic Gospels: Matthew 16:13-20, Mark 8:27–30 and Luke 9:18–20.

ask.com/wiki/Confession_of_Peter?qsrc=3044#.22Upon_this_rock_I_will_build_my_church.22

You need to read post#62 again; in it I state my objections to certaincatholic traditions or rules. Such as calling the pope Holy Father, confession to a mere mortal, and praying through Mary and or the saints. And denomination is not a vital part of your salvation; it involves a personal relationship with Jesus! So, you see, I don’t need to enroll in rica!

Yes the priest is a mere mortal but, Christ gave Peter the keys of the kingdom, he also gave the Apostles the ability to forgive sins. Those were mere mortals and since that time the ability to forgive sins has been passed down to our priests and bishops today.

I believe that part of the signs of the New Covenant, was the tearing of the curtain/veil when Christ died on the Cross. It removed a barrier between man and God, which had existed since Adam and Eve fell in the Garden. It allowed man to approach and commune with God, without a priest!

Really. So Christ didn’t know what he was talking about. Okay, I had no idea.

Thank you for your concern for my spiritual health! And I’m sure you can make a historical basis for the existence of the catholic church. Unfortunately, you cannot make Biblical foundations to support the three(at least 3) objections I have as to calling a man Holy Father, praying through the saints or Mary, and confession through a mere mortal man!

There are Biblical foundations for Catholic beliefs since the Bible came to you through the Catholic Church. The KJV did not fall down from heaven, bound in leather with red printing of Christ’s words. For God so loved the world he sent a book? I am a convert to the CC, I spent 61 years as a Protestant.

Just read the book. Open your mind. I am not concerned with your spiritual health (that’s between you and God), I am concerned with you not wanting to at least read a book!

The Biblical Basis of the Catholic Faith by John Salza. Just read it.

 

[1beleevr]

The Catholic Church is not a denomination. Before Luther, if you were a Christian, you were a Catholic. I have never been as close to Jesus as I am as a Catholic.

Okay, you don’t believe in the Rock on which Christ built his church. (Kephas, Cephas) Read Matthew. Read Acts.

The Confession of Peter refers to an episode in the New Testament in which Apostle Peter proclaims Jesus to be Christ - the expected Messiah. The proclamation is described in the three Synoptic Gospels: Matthew 16:13-20, Mark 8:27–30 and Luke 9:18–20.

ask.com/wiki/Confession_of_Peter?qsrc=3044#.22Upon_this_rock_I_will_build_my_church.22

Yes the priest is a mere mortal but, Christ gave Peter the keys of the kingdom, he also gave the Apostles the ability to forgive sins. Those were mere mortals and since that time the ability to forgive sins has been passed down to our priests and bishops today.

Really. So Christ didn’t know what he was talking about. Okay, I had no idea.

There are Biblical foundations for Catholic beliefs since the Bible came to you through the Catholic Church. The KJV did not fall down from heaven, bound in leather with red printing of Christ’s words. For God so loved the world he sent a book? I am a convert to the CC, I spent 61 years as a Protestant.

Just read the book. Open your mind. I am not concerned with your spiritual health (that’s between you and God), I am concerned with you not wanting to at least read a book!

The Biblical Basis of the Catholic Faith by John Salza. Just read it.

What do you mean, Christ didn’t know what He was talking about? I was talking about the tearing of the veil, when He died! Hebrews 4:16 sums it up!

 

[SteveGC]

It is obvious 1beleevr is not interested in becoming Catholic. Why cannot we adopt the Christian precept of: “In the essentials, unity, in the non essentials, liberty, in all–charity.” ?

We can adopt that if we can agree upon what exactly the essentials are. For 500 years we have moved further and further away from being able to do that. I don’t think anyone here is trying to make 1beleevr Catholic, but rather explain to him the Catholic faith.

We can make Biblical foundations for praying for the dead AND for the saints intercession. It can be found in 2 Maccabees.

Unfortunately, mwok, 1beleevr’s bible likely does not contain the books of Maccabees. And if he picks one up that does contain them, he likely considers it apocrypha. Which is why most non-Catholics are not swayed by biblical evidence for the communion of saints.

Christians can be united if they put their differences aside, and share their common interest: Jesus Christ!

Share what about Jesus Christ, exactly? Share just a belief in Him? Share faith in Him? What does that mean? If it means what I hope it means - namely, full submission and obedience to His teachings, then we can only be unified if we all share the same understanding of all of Christ’s teachings. If a “denomination” has a teaching wrong, then it cannot be united unless it is corrected from that error. Unity is not as simple as saying, “hey, we share faith in Jesus, that’s all we need…we’re united!” Not so.

So you see, joining the catholic church won’t get me any closer to Jesus than I already am!

Just one word refutes this entire statement…

Eucharist.

 

[benedictus2]

Actually, we’re not; ther are no catholics, Methodists, Mormons, Baptists,Lutherans or any other denominations in Heaven, just believers!

There are only Catholics in heaven. When you get to heaven, you become Catholic because you then become part of the Church triumphant. Might as well start being her member here on earth.

 

[benedictus2]

It is obvious 1beleevr is not interested in becoming Catholic. Why cannot we adopt the Christian precept of: “In the essentials, unity, in the non essentials, liberty, in all–charity.” ? We’re all Christians; let’s leave it at that and stop bickering; it’s so unattractive

So you are saying that there are non-essential Catholic beliefs? Who decides which and which is not essential?

How about re-phrasing it this way: why settle for half truth if you can have the whole truth?

 

[benedictus2]

Nothing has changed in 200 years; denomination was not important then, and it is not important now.

Before Luther there were not denominations. After Luther, 33000 and counting. So a humongus change.

Your denomination is not part of your salvation! Christians can be united if they put their differences aside, and share their common interest: Jesus Christ!

Which differences would you like to put away. Settle for the least common denominator? Which is the least common denominator? Why should we settle for least?

If Jesus Christ is the least common denominator then we have to accept everything He said and did. And what He did was establish a (one) Church.

So you see, joining the catholic church won’t get me any closer to Jesus than I already am!

It will because you will then have access to the sacraments - the avenues of grace.

 

[Miriam1947]

What do you mean, Christ didn’t know what He was talking about? I was talking about the tearing of the veil, when He died! Hebrews 4:16 sums it up!

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1beleevr
I believe that part of the signs of the New Covenant, was the tearing of the curtain/veil when Christ died on the Cross. It removed a barrier between man and God, which had existed since Adam and Eve fell in the Garden. It allowed man to approach and commune with God, without a priest!

*Really. So Christ didn’t know what he was talking about. Okay, I had no idea.

That sentence was sarcasm, I should have made that clear. Sorry about that.*

Christ gave the keys to Peter, he gave the Apostles the ability to forgive sins. He gave us the Church and priests and confession and baptism and the Eucharist.

 

[Lutgardis]

So you are saying that there are non-essential Catholic beliefs? Who decides which and which is not essential?

The essentials to the Christian faith are in the Nicene Creed, the Apostles Creed and the Athanasian Creed. But I doubt that the thief on the cross knew much about any of these! God judges not as men judge; He judges by the heart, our openness and willingly to love Him and die with and for Him.

I believe that the Catholic Church is the richest of Churches in the blessings of Eucharist and Sacraments; but I also believe that Christ dispenses His love to others through her; therefore, I do not believe that one must become a Catholic to enter into heaven (though they may not experience the fullness of blessing that one receives in Echarist and the other Sacraments that they do not understand or embrace). It is clearly evident that God has blessed, communed with, and used other Christians within other denominations to communicate truth and lead others to salvation. But if Catholic sources are necessary to validate this obvious reality, then I certainly cannot articulate it better than the Catechism and the Pope.
The Catechism:
“. . . many element of sanctification and of truth are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: “the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements.” Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to Catholic unity.”

The Pope: John Paul II’s 1995 encyclical, Ut Unum Sint (May they be One): “It is not that beyond the boundaries of the Catholic community there is an ecclesial vacuum. Many elements of great value, which in the Catholic Church are part of the means of salvation and of gifts which make up the Church, are also found in other Christian Communities.”

If God, in His mercy and grace, are leading others to Himself through other Christians and other denominations, who are we to refuse their validity?

 

[1beleevr]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1beleevr
I believe that part of the signs of the New Covenant, was the tearing of the curtain/veil when Christ died on the Cross. It removed a barrier between man and God, which had existed since Adam and Eve fell in the Garden. It allowed man to approach and commune with God, without a priest!

*Really. So Christ didn’t know what he was talking about. Okay, I had no idea.

That sentence was sarcasm, I should have made that clear. Sorry about that.*

Christ gave the keys to Peter, he gave the Apostles the ability to forgive sins. He gave us the Church and priests and confession and baptism and the Eucharist.

He did not give the apostles the power to forgive sins; this God’s domain exclusively! What does this mean to you: Forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors?" If we forgive the sins of those against us, the He will also forgive them! 1John 1:9.

 

[1beleevr]

There are only Catholics in heaven. When you get to heaven, you become Catholic because you then become part of the Church triumphant. Might as well start being her member here on earth.

No thanks, no catholic on earth, no catholic in Heaven! We will all be saints; no denomination required!

 

[1beleevr]

So you are saying that there are non-essential Catholic beliefs? Who decides which and which is not essential?

How about re-phrasing it this way: why settle for half truth if you can have the whole truth?

Thanks lutgardis, great post; you are absolutely correct! How much time do we waste arguing over who’s right and who’s wrong! I would rather be witnessing about Christ and evangelizing!

 

[1beleevr]

We can adopt that if we can agree upon what exactly the essentials are. For 500 years we have moved further and further away from being able to do that. I don’t think anyone here is trying to make 1beleevr Catholic, but rather explain to him the Catholic faith.

Unfortunately, mwok, 1beleevr’s bible likely does not contain the books of Maccabees. And if he picks one up that does contain them, he likely considers it apocrypha. Which is why most non-Catholics are not swayed by biblical evidence for the communion of saints.

Share what about Jesus Christ, exactly? Share just a belief in Him? Share faith in Him? What does that mean? If it means what I hope it means - namely, full submission and obedience to His teachings, then we can only be unified if we all share the same understanding of all of Christ’s teachings. If a “denomination” has a teaching wrong, then it cannot be united unless it is corrected from that error. Unity is not as simple as saying, “hey, we share faith in Jesus, that’s all we need…we’re united!” Not so.

Just one word refutes this entire statement…

Eucharist.

So sad that you’re wrong! Obedience brings you closer to Christ! Communion is an opportunity to commune with Christ, and experience His awesome presence!

 

[Miriam1947]

He did not give the apostles the power to forgive sins; this God’s domain exclusively! What does this mean to you: Forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors?" If we forgive the sins of those against us, the He will also forgive them! 1John 1:9.

Yep but, that is not all there is:

bible.cc/john/20-23.htm

Douay-Rheims Bible
Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.

King James Bible
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

English Standard Version (©2001)
If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”

Cross reference to:
Matthew 18:18 "I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

 

[Sufjon]

Hello everyone! To make a long story short, I began dating a man about 2 years ago. He told me he was baptist and I have to admitt I was a little taken back at that time. But over the first few months he never went to church…NEVER. I am catholic and I am raising my daughter in the catholic faith also. Now, 2 years into the relationship he decides to go back to church! I am all about people going to church because I think it is very important, but he used to come to mass with us and now he is not and he wants us to go to church with him. This goes against the teachings I am instilling in my daughter and going against my obligation to Sunday mass. I know I could go to mass on Saturday night but my daughter would not even be able to sit with me, she would have to go to a class room and I am not comfortable with that. The website said to teach the basic baptist beliefs at a young age. I feel that will start to confuse my daughter! So, here’s the problem, I have invested 2 years into this relationship always under the assumption he was not going to go back to church, it was always inconvienent for him. I honestly did see it ever being a problem and now it is. Some peopel think it is not a big deal but how would we raise future children? He says our church teaches the bible and nothing more, it’s like saying we are right and you are wrong! I don’t know what to do, but now 2 years into a great relationship I am faced with a very tough situation that I wasn’t expecting. Does anyone have any first hand knowledge on this? Opinions on if it could work or not? I was thinking about going to talk to my priest about this for some guidence, but I don’t know what to do. ANY help would be greatly appreciated

I have a personal experience in this area. It’s all going to depend on the two of you and how far along you are in your spiritual journeys. If you are at a certain stage in your journeys, you’ll get hung up on what he calls himself as opposed to what you call yourself and perhaps some of the finer points on which your religions may disagree her and there. You may be the sort of people who can learn to alternate - attending one another’s churches from time to time. When it’s all said and done, your real church is the life you have together and the world you live in. If you feel the institution part is important enough to get tangled up on, then you’re probably going to be missing church. You’ll show up for mass, he’ll show up for services, but you’ll be missing church.

Your friend
Sufjon

 

[Lutgardis]

Thanks lutgardis, great post; you are absolutely correct! How much time do we waste arguing over who’s right and who’s wrong! I would rather be witnessing about Christ and evangelizing!

Thank you for saying so; and amen to proliferating the gospel.

 

[benedictus2]

That’s an easy one; don’t believe in calling the pope holy father, don’t believe in praying through Mary or the saints, and don’t believe in confession to a mere mortal! Besides, it doesn’t matter what denomination you were once you get to Heaven; we’re all saints!

You don’t believe. But what makes you think that what you believe is true? Basically you are saying that your will is paramount and who cares about the fact that Christ established only one church.

 

[benedictus2]

The essentials to the Christian faith are in the Nicene Creed, the Apostles Creed and the Athanasian Creed. But I doubt that the thief on the cross knew much about any of these! God judges not as men judge; He judges by the heart, our openness and willingly to love Him and die with and for Him.

I believe that the Catholic Church is the richest of Churches in the blessings of Eucharist and Sacraments; but I also believe that Christ dispenses His love to others through her; therefore, I do not believe that one must become a Catholic to enter into heaven (though they may not experience the fullness of blessing that one receives in Echarist and the other Sacraments that they do not understand or embrace). It is clearly evident that God has blessed, communed with, and used other Christians within other denominations to communicate truth and lead others to salvation. But if Catholic sources are necessary to validate this obvious reality, then I certainly cannot articulate it better than the Catechism and the Pope.
The Catechism:
“. . . many element of sanctification and of truth are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: “the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements.” Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to Catholic unity.”

The Pope: John Paul II’s 1995 encyclical, Ut Unum Sint (May they be One): “It is not that beyond the boundaries of the Catholic community there is an ecclesial vacuum. Many elements of great value, which in the Catholic Church are part of the means of salvation and of gifts which make up the Church, are also found in other Christian Communities.”

If God, in His mercy and grace, are leading others to Himself through other Christians and other denominations, who are we to refuse their validity?

If the essentials are in the Creed, then there is no need for the Eucharist or any of the sacraments. You lose the fullness of faith.

There no non-essentials in Catholic theology.

 

[benedictus2]

No thanks, no catholic on earth, no catholic in Heaven! We will all be saints; no denomination required!

There are no non-denominationals in heaven - only Catholics, because Christ established only one Church. When He welcomes you into heaven, He will welcome you into His family, the Catholic Church.

The difference will be we will hi-five the Blessed Mother and the Saints while you will finally come to recognize them.

 

[benedictus2]

Thanks lutgardis, great post; you are absolutely correct! How much time do we waste arguing over who’s right and who’s wrong! I would rather be witnessing about Christ and evangelizing!

And that is wonderful that you are witnessing about Christ. God knows we need many people like you to help those who do not know Christ to come to know Christ.

But in His great mercy and love, He has also converted many people like you and shown them the fullness of the Truth so that those who know only half of the truth will come to know the whole. So like you I witness, but I witness to the fullness of Truth.