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fish90
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Is disagreeing about Global Warming the same as disagreeing about the Iraq War?
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Katholish
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If you mean whether Global Warming is occuring or what its causes are, than Catholic can most certainly disagree with each other. They cannot disagree with the Church because the Church has not opinion or position on the matter. It is a matter of science which does not ultimately have repurcussions for the truths of the Faith.
If you mean whether Catholics can disagree over what to do about Global Warming, than I would also answer yes, but on the condition that a Catholic cannot propose some solution which runs contrary to the moral law.
If you mean whether Catholics can disagree over what to do about Global Warming, than I would also answer yes, but on the condition that a Catholic cannot propose some solution which runs contrary to the moral law.
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Jean_1958
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Hi,
The Catholic Church does have an opinion/position on global warming. Please check out this link:
vatican.va/roman_curia/secretariat_state/2007/documents/rc_seg-st_20070510_ecosoc_en.html
Peace.
Jean
The Catholic Church does have an opinion/position on global warming. Please check out this link:
vatican.va/roman_curia/secretariat_state/2007/documents/rc_seg-st_20070510_ecosoc_en.html
Peace.
Jean
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PrayHarder
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While individuals within the Church have opinions, I don’t think those are considered a teaching of the Church. It’s not like global warming is part of the catechism of the faith.
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Jean_1958
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Where in my post #3 did I say that global warming is part of the CCC? However, respect for God’s creation is a part of the CCC.
The Pope is the ruler of both the Vatican City State and the Holy See. The Holy See, as the supreme body of government of the Catholic Church, is a sovereign juridical entity under international law.
The document that I referenced was an official document deliveried by the Holy See (would have to be signed off by the Pope) to the UN addressing the Church’s opinion/position on global warming.
I know it’s not dogma, so a Catholic can disagree with it. My point was that the Catholic Church does have an opinion/position on global warming.
Peace,
Jean
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aspawloski4th
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As a Catholic and also a degreed meteorologist, with course work in climatology. I say there is no global warming.
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fish90
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My whole problem with this debate is that dissent is always silenced. Please share some dissent if you will?
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Jean_1958
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I think you are letting your judgment and disdain for global warming cloud your judgment, as there are lots of meteorologists and climatologists who disagree with you.
Have you really looked at the data enough to stand firm in your disagreement or are you sayin that without really having looked at the data?
Just the way our weather has changed here in NE IL over the past 50 years tells me that global warming is real and is a cause for concern.
Can you share WHY there is no global warming. Often, those who say there is no global warming fail to share their reasoning and/or data to prove that it is not happening simply because they have none to share to begin with. Otherwise, it would have been shared and a strong argument against global warming would have been made.
Peace,
Jean
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Jean_1958
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I believe he has been asked to in other threads on global warming and has never really done so.
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m134e5
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What does 50 years matter, considering how long the earth has been here? 50 years is nothing.
Yes, a Catholic can disagree with global warming. If someone in the Vatican believes it, so what? It isn’t a matter of doctrine, of discipline- or of religion or philosophy at all.
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fish90
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With respect, please be careful and remember charity and respect in your responses.
I have some evidence just from personal observation.
1.Years ago, the scientists argued in favor of global cooling, then came global warming and now it is climate change.
2. This was the coolest summer in my memory.
3. The last winter was well below normal temperatures than previous winters.
4. There was more snow this year than I can remember.
I do have my doubts. Jean, please remember there are also scientists who disagree with you as well.
God Bless
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Ridgerunner
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I am old enough to remember cycles of years that were much warmer than normal in my area, as well as others, including the last three years, which have been much cooler than normal. My grandfather also informed me of blazing warm cycles of years (much warmer than any I ever experienced) and very cold ones. His experiences and mine, combined, would exceed 100 years. Global warming supporters claim those are “weather” and are different somehow, from “climate change”. They don’t much like to say “global warming” anymore because it’s cooling, so they say “climate change” now, which pretty much covers every eventuality.
As a Catholic, I am obliged to pay attention to what the competing opinions are, because it is my duty to be informed as well as I can. But I am as free to disagree with the Msgr Magliore as I was to disagree with Paul Ehrlich who predicted that we would all starve to death due to overpopulation thirty years ago.
“Global warming” (oops! “climate change”) is not a matter of Church doctrine. It just isn’t.
As a Catholic, I am also obliged to take those things political people tell me with a grain of salt. I am obliged to consider, too, what the effect of a massive tax like “cap and trade” will do to poorer people, particularly in northern areas that get deadly cold for a good part of the year. I am obliged to consider the unemployment that will afflict people in established, energy-dependent industries when energy costs greatly increase, which they will under “cap and trade”.
I am obliged to consider the effect on ordinary people of increases in the cost of food caused by artificial increases in the cost of energy. I am obliged to have at least some skepticism when a government wants to stifle energy sources that do NOT put out CO2, but wants to more heavily tax sources that do.
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Aboveallbereal
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Global worming advocacy is part of the broader re emergence of the earth mother cult or Gaia worship which is rising to refill the public “belief space” as Christianity is forced back to the private sphere.
The cult is fusing with liberal humanism to create a curious and highly aggressive de facto public religion which is in its youth nad vigorous enough to persecute dissent thus its silencing.
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fish90
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May I ask where you got that belief?
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Gottle_of_Geer
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Anthropogenic, or all kinds ? (IMignorantO the anthropogenic is all nonsense, and the Church only looks ridiculous if it jumps on the band-wagon 
) The sceptics who are competent in this matter need to be more visible. Maybe someone would like to point out that the swine-flu pandemic has failed to materialise - just like the vast majority of eco-biological scare stories. Not long ago, the great bogeyman was not Global Warming, but Global Winter:
NEW evidence has cast doubt on claims that the world’s ice-caps are melting, it emerged last night.Satellite data shows that concerns over the levels of sea ice may have been premature.
Churchmen should quit faffing about, talking about what they are no more competent than the average ignoramus to talk about, and should stick to what they meant to be good at and laymen cannot do. Climatology is for climatologists - not for the clergy.
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JRKH
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In general the climate worldwide is getting warmer. This demonstrated in ways that are more long term than the evidences you relate above.
One piece of evidence is the increase in the number and strengths of Hurricanes in recent years.
Another is the fact that Glaciers are retreating and have been for some time. Glacier National Park is actually in danger of loosing it’s glaciers.
There is little doubt that we are in a “Warming Cycle” right now.
The real questions to look at are:
Are we Responsible?
Are we contributing?
Are we in danger?
I don’t think that we are “responsible” since evidence shows that warm and cool cycles have occurred in the past.
I do think that we are contributing to it in the same way that, say a volcanic eruption would contribute to a climactic change.
Finally The human race as a whole is not in danger from such climate change. Our civilizations might be. Certainly our coastal cities are in danger. Certainly changes in weather patterns will make some fertile areas arid and some arid areas fertile and effect global economy.
The main question then is - 1) Over what period of time can we expect such changes to occur, and 2) Will there be sufficient time to engineer solutions?
This answer IMHO is that we are looking at timelines stretching over many decades at the worst and that there are will indeed be solutions found. Not that there won’t also be challanges and problems. But God’s Children will survive.
Unless, of course, Our Dear Lord returns before all of this.
Peace
James
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upbeatjonm
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James, I know you believe what you are being told is true. However, don’t be so fast to buy into this. Try reading Red Hot Lies by Christopher Horner. He debunks the global warming myth convincingly. He was even personally threatened to be killed because of the book. Basically it comes down to money. The global warming people and those making money off the grants, donations, etc. have to keep the fear brewing. If they admitted that the warming has actually been non existent for the past 10 years, who would continue to send them money?
you mention the glaciers decreasing, that is true…in certain areas. In other areas they are increasing (southern hemisphere is growing dramatically), and I heard that one in California is growing. As for the hurricanes, they are not more strong and numerous, that that myth is believed because more people now are living directly on the coast, whereas in the past, these areas were largely uninhabited. Also, our radar and satelite make these storms much more widely known than in the past.
Those are just a few things to consider. One of the earlier posters correctly stated how just a few decades ago, global cooling was the thing that “scientists” were worried about.
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JRKH
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Thanks for the caveats.James, I know you believe what you are being told is true. However, don’t be so fast to buy into this. Try reading Red Hot Lies by Christopher Horner. He debunks the global warming myth convincingly. He was even personally threatened to be killed because of the book. Basically it comes down to money. The global warming people and those making money off the grants, donations, etc. have to keep the fear brewing. If they admitted that the warming has actually been non existent for the past 10 years, who would continue to send them money?
you mention the glaciers decreasing, that is true…in certain areas. In other areas they are increasing (southern hemisphere is growing dramatically), and I heard that one in California is growing. As for the hurricanes, they are not more strong and numerous, that that myth is believed because more people now are living directly on the coast, whereas in the past, these areas were largely uninhabited. Also, our radar and satelite make these storms much more widely known than in the past.
Those are just a few things to consider. One of the earlier posters correctly stated how just a few decades ago, global cooling was the thing that “scientists” were worried about.
The core thing to remember in all of this is that, whether warming or cooling, climate change is not an overnight thing, unless Yellowstone Park blows up or an Asteroid hits of course. Change that is brought about by “natural cycles” or by “Mans influence” will be gradual and man, as a scecies, has the ability to adjust to the changes.
Basically I think I shall just leave it in God’s hands.
Peace
James
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Newbie2
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Yep. It’s a scientific matter rather than a theological one.
I’ve seen data that questions whether or not we’re in a warming cycle, but you’re absolutely right about the important questions.
As well, in response to the title, absolutely! Same as we can disagree about poverty, health, etc. etc. While we should be in agreement in Social Justice issues, we can have differing opinions as to how to achieve goals like feeding the poor, providing medical care, etc, etc.
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neophyte
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That is not an opinion of the Catholic Church, it’s the opinion of Msgr. Celestino Migliore.
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