By your church, but since the questions was about non-Catholic clergy, then the proper commission is moot.Sorry - should have said “being properly commissioned by the Church through Holy Orders.”
Whew! Thanks for bringing that to my attention!
Well for starters, off the top of my head, how about," Thou art Peter (Cephas). Upon this rock, I will build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it". Of course I think a study of the History of the Early (Catholic) Church would be a prerequisite to an understanding of the line of descendency from St. Peter to the Popes.
Thankfully, since it is God Himself who acts, the Sacraments do not depend on the disposition of the Priest himself. So, that kind of shoots down your little theory now, doesn’t it?
Well now, alhers, I suppose a Catholic COULD be anointed by a pastor of another Faith, but it would probably do little good spiritually for the Catholic at least. I don’t know how that would work for non Catholics unless the pastor could be proven to be a priestly descendent of St. Peter, ecclesiastically speaking of course.
Just as the pastors of other faiths, our priests are not saints. Some are trying to be, but it is hard to know which ones until the full story is known. No excuses here as to what happened as a result of the warped humans who called themselves priests. As for my opinion, I think they should have been tried in a public courtroom. The Church was too easy on them.
You do realize of course that the Greek for the verse you are referring to uses tow DIFFERENT words for rock, right? One means a large rock, but the word petra for the rock upon the church is built mens a group of rocks. Name change is not the sole criteria, remember James and his brother were given a name by Jesus as well, Boanerges. Additionally, if Peter was the rock upon which the church would be built, why was he not the head of the church at Jerusalem, where the church began? It would only make logical sense if he were, but he was not.
Shoots my theory down? No, not at all, it supports it, as it is indeed GOD who works, not the priest. Is not God free to work through whomever he wills, or dies your church not allow him to do so. Did not Jesus tell His disciples who were on the “its our group or nothing” kick that whoever is not against you is for you. Do not stop them. Remember that little instruction? I in no way implied that all clergy of ANY denomination are properly disposed, you just seem overly sensitive to the point of misintepretation. Wonder why that is. Seems nothing more than the usual control MO. Dont go anywhere else, yada yada. That being said, I find that the intent of the post herself was less than genuine.
What do you presume my church to be? You are correct in your history, however, not being an Anglican, it means little to me.
What did you receive from it any thing? Did he pray in the name of Jesus?
Slow down! Have you heard of theological error? You know a church within a block or two which practices error in your eyes. Since this “anointing” is nothing more than a common prayer, and simulates the true Sacrament of anointing, why participate in what amounts to less? Why settle for a simulation? For a Catholic to participate in anything resembling a Sacrament, draws him or her away from the fulness of truth. This is error.
the coach, you said in post # 14 “As if your priests are always properly disposed? I think the Pope’s latest apology shoot that theory down, no doesnt it? Or are you trying to infer that those outside of the RCC are by default no properly disposed”?
Of course you are a denomination, nothing more. Tracing apostolic succession means what? Paul’s churches wouldnt have necessarily been able to, so what does that mean? Other Catholic churches other than the RCC can, so what does that mean? Ordination is to come from God, is it not? More devotions to Christ? You mean mroe words and rituals? Well, we know what Jesus felt about that, now dont we? Yes, the apostolic success gives authority for YOUR sacraments, it means little outside of your denomination. Big guns? Bring them. I have not twisted Scripture in the least. The Greek is the Greek. You have formulated an entire Papal structure on what, one verse out of four Gospels? Yes, you are right, you DONT want to go there. God is not to be contained in your little box. The Gospels speak very differently.
Yes you are right, as a Catholic, she is to submit to control. However, and I will say it again, the OP is suspect anyway in terms of intention.
I would submit, and as a Catholic, do submit to Jesus anytime. You go ahead and think you are right about us and I will go ahead and stay in Jesus’ CHURCH, that He founded. We are NOT a denomination. We are the CHURCH, One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. St. Paul is one of our greatest Saints and Martyr’s.
Sorry to hear that your heart is set against learning the truth about Christ’s church. That is indeed a shame. Your categorical statements of alleged “fact” make you appear superior in wisdom and knowledge to Ignatius of Antioch, Polycarp and, in fact, all of the early church fathers. Do you believe you are superior to them?
Interesting…as a former Catholic and a ‘reverend’ you use some pretty harsh word!
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You say so.
You know scripture. But, when you cherry-pick, remember that each cherry has a pit.
Well, you certainly do! Tell us, please! Do you have Christ in the Flesh in your church? Not in printed form, squeezed between the covers, but in the Flesh. Tell us about your contemplative prayers. Tell us about your Adoration. Tell us about your church’s martyrs. Tell us about your Saints.
It is a genuine shame that the Sacraments which Christ instituted mean little or nothing to you. If what Christ did means so little, how much can Christ Himself mean?
Pardon me, but the authority of the Catholic church was instituted by Christ and is well documented in the Gospels, in Acts and all of the writings of the early church fathers. You have drunk deeply of the well of anti-Catholic bigotry.
Yes, they apparently tell you to disregard Paul; to disregard Peter; to disregard all of the twelve, to disregard all of the the early Bishops and fathers of the faith, as well as any form of continuity in your church. The gates of hell have not, and will not prevail against the Catholic church. Luther took his best shot. He’s dead. She’s still there. Satan in all of his forms has taken his best shot. He has been rebuffed. She’s still there.