Can a Homosexual become a Heterosexual?

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I’m so sorry for your pain. I think $90 is ridiculous - especially for a college student. Is there a a priest in a different parish you could speak to? DON’T go to the perpetrator for help. That would be awful.

I’m going to pray for you tonight. Sorry - wish there was more I could say.

((hug)).
You can call this number anytime and there are professional counselors at the other end of the line. It is free. It is just a phone call away, 602-347-1100. It is called The Warm Line. It operates between 5-10 pm I believe. When you call you will get the times you can call. Save your $90.00.
 
As I said earlier “Using an awl on a piece of wood is different from using an awl on a piece of leather, yes the action is is basically the same and it uses the same instrument, but they are different things.”
I saw that and my reply was that love is a quality common to all people. The love is the same, the object is different, Its the same awl being applied to a different object. That doesn’t make a difference in the awl, its the choice of the user to what the awl is applied.
Love can not be reciprocated between a person and a corpse, likewise with a human and an animal.
Isn’t that zoophobic/necrophobic hate speech? You aren’t a zoophobe are you? Are you sure there isn’t a “skeleton” in your closet? If you know what I mean?
In a relationship between a parent and a child it is inherently unequal,
As long as they are adults can’t they make their own decisions?
Plural marriages are legal messes plus are inherently unequal.
As long as adults agree to them why should they be illegal?

It seems like you have a lot of prejudice against alternative lifestyles, how does that jibe with your own alternative orientation?
 
So we should define ourselves and others by behavior? Behavior defines a person in that one’s behavior is a reflection of a person’s will, intent, intellect. However, when a person’s behavior is at odds with their will–as with a person who marries and has children despite deep-seated attractions to the same sex–, that behavior serves as an inaccurate definition and is no more than a delusion. Truth, for which we all strive (do you disagree?) is not built on a premise of delusion.
This notion would be contrary to modern Cognitive Behavioral therapy and consistent with Nathaniel Hawthorne’s Scarlet Letter. If we label ourselves by behavior then we must label ourselves by the good and the bad. We are not our behavior. That is wrong.
 
Alcoholism and and sexual orientation are two very different things. Sex is a human instinct and an inherently present drive. No amount of repression will rid a healthy person of his sexual need.

Alcoholism, on the other hand, is an acquired addiction. While you may have a genetic predisposition toward it, you do not have a biological need and an alcoholic’s need for alcohol is not as intricately bound to a person’s psyche as sexual drive–be that drive heterosexual or homosexual.

This has nothing to do with "homosexual agenda, whatever that is, and evaluated objectively, it has nothing to do with sin or depravity, either.

I think what’s causing a lot of confusion here–and which was made apparent to me by your comparison of homosexuality to an alcoholic’s addicition–is that you really don’t understand human sexuality as a biological and psychological process. You’re really so far off the mark in comparing these two…
Your analysis is filled with errors making it difficult to make any sense of it. Addiction is not a disease. It is a choice. The public has been brainwashed to believe that Alcoholism is a disease and it is not. Look on YouTube, Stanton Peele, and he will explain.

There is not genetic predisoposition for drinking alcohol or for being a homosexual. These are both choices.

The problem we have here is that the paradigm of Alcohol has been translated to many other choices like homosexuality and because of that there is the notion that there needs to be a way of dealing with these issues as Alcohol is dealt with. This is the result of the 12 step paradigm and the AMA brainwashing everyone in the disease model. The issue of homosexuality and Alcohol do not compute for two reasons. Alcholism is not a disease, even though it is in the DSM IV and Homosexuality is no longer a disease since it was removed from the DSM IV making any analogy worthless.
 
“love assumes you want the best for the other” That’s agape, the giving love, OTOH eros is about what the person wants and doesn’t necessarily care what the other person wants. The teenager isn’t necessarily at lookout point for sex, they many just want to see the sunset with their boyfriend/girlfriend and cuddle.

While they are the exception to the rule there are homosexual couples who have been together decades, there might, just might be something there beyond a desire for sex.
My understanding based on what I recall of Aquinas is this: Love is willing God to another. In your thoughts, in your actions, in your willing what you do and think is to do things that bring the other to the Will of God. This is the test. If you can fit your paradigm into this framework then that is love.
 
I saw that and my reply was that love is a quality common to all people. The love is the same, the object is different, Its the same awl being applied to a different object. That doesn’t make a difference in the awl, its the choice of the user to what the awl is applied.
Isn’t that zoophobic/necrophobic hate speech? You aren’t a zoophobe are you? Are you sure there isn’t a “skeleton” in your closet? If you know what I mean?
As long as they are adults can’t they make their own decisions?
As long as adults agree to them why should they be illegal?

It seems like you have a lot of prejudice against alternative lifestyles, how does that jibe with your own alternative orientation?
Yes, love is like an awl, you choose what to apply it to, if you use a stitching awl on leather it can be marvelous whereas if you try to apply it to wood it might work, but mostly you are a danger to yourself and the piece of wood.

A corpse has the same capacity of love as a blowup doll. Animals are at best capable of love like a child. Also intercourse with corpses and animals can be very dangerous (especially large animals.

A parent will always hold power over the child in a relationship like that.

They don’t contribute to society in the way a monogamous marriage does, therefore they don’t deserve legal benefits however they are free to live in polygamous relationships

Perfectly, I’m not pushing for recognition of homosexual acts so I’m not hypocritical in condemning bestiality or necrophilia, there is not an inherent power advantage of one person over another in gay love so there is no hypocrisy in bashing incestuous relationships and I’m not pushing for gay relationships to have the legal privileges of marriage so I see no problem in denying polygamous marriages them.
 
Yes, love is like an awl, you choose what to apply it to, if you use a stitching awl on leather it can be marvelous whereas if you try to apply it to wood it might work, but mostly you are a danger to yourself and the piece of wood.

A corpse has the same capacity of love as a blowup doll. Animals are at best capable of love like a child. Also intercourse with corpses and animals can be very dangerous (especially large animals.

A parent will always hold power over the child in a relationship like that.

They don’t contribute to society in the way a monogamous marriage does, therefore they don’t deserve legal benefits however they are free to live in polygamous relationships

Perfectly, I’m not pushing for recognition of homosexual acts so I’m not hypocritical in condemning bestiality or necrophilia, there is not an inherent power advantage of one person over another in gay love so there is no hypocrisy in bashing incestuous relationships and I’m not pushing for gay relationships to have the legal privileges of marriage so I see no problem in denying polygamous marriages them.
I find it odd that specifics are so necessary. In my opinion in discussing these things I would refer to them as aberrant behavior. There are names for other things that do not require graphic description such as paraphelias. It is understood that this too is aberrant behavior of a certain type. I am not sure I understand the need to describe aberrant behavior as anything but aberrant behavior.
 
What are your thoughts?
I voted yes, but the answer must mean, sometimes. Except that I reject the idea that
one can draw any sharp distinction between those who like men and those who like women. We simply do not know why a particular person has a sexual “preference.” Take for instance, the homosexual English king William Rufus. A rough, brutal, “butch” type. Or much later, the soft Edward II, who threw away his kingdom rather than give up his favorite. The assertion that one is “born” homosexual may simply be a matter of rationalization of the choices one has made, especially if those choices are been contrary to social convention.
 
I find it odd that specifics are so necessary. In my opinion in discussing these things I would refer to them as aberrant behavior. There are names for other things that do not require graphic description such as paraphelias. It is understood that this too is aberrant behavior of a certain type. I am not sure I understand the need to describe aberrant behavior as anything but aberrant behavior.
I already tried to explain that.
He’s in a tautology
 
okay just because u are dumb founded idiots that have no life other then a sunday where u put urself below the social circle of a fools idol. u have to be all homophobic and ask a question like this. i can be possible. but its none of ur closed minded business. if u want people to hate hate on urself since religion spews more hate then anything else
 
okay just because u are dumb founded idiots that have no life other then a sunday where u put urself below the social circle of a fools idol. u have to be all homophobic and ask a question like this. i can be possible. but its none of ur closed minded business. if u want people to hate hate on urself since religion spews more hate then anything else
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How is loving someone of the same gender the same as loving someone of the opposite gender?

The Church doesn’t know what causes homosexuality, neither do scientists.
Your wrong, I have a son with SSA and have been to the Courage Conference, a ministry of the Catholic church and we know why many of them have become homosexuals. It’ a process of many things, but the bottom line is the personality type that has many rejections in life and has not been affirmed by their gender, either by the father or peers, and some have been rejected by the way they look, with women and people in general and some have learning disabilities.

None of you on here really understand it, unless you have a child or love one who is suffering from the disordered sexual desire, you shouldn’t be giving false advice. To answer someone that all the temptation applies to all of us I agree, and I am not bashing gays. So telling the truth is what some people don’t want to hear. But the pathology with homosexual relationships are over forty percent higher in homosexual men than heterosexual, more problems with drugs, aids, diseases, emotional problems, and the like because that life is unhealthy, because it’s not a normal healthy life that they were made for.

Since we are talking mainly about homosexuality, I was only addressing those issues. Of course we all have temptations and trials. I didn’t say there wasn’t good in money or TV and such, but if they are the avenue which many people strive to live as one of their idols, it’s going to take you down the wrong path. I think you all as Catholics should know what is an idol. Anything that means more to you than God.

The reasons for homosexuality are many and as I have stated they were not born this way. It’s not their fault for the attraction, but like anything, if we felt like robbing someone, should we do it? I am tired of all the lame excuses for people to live that lifestyle. From the many testimonies at Courage they all knew as some point it was a dead end life. So people get your facts straight and learn your Catholic faith. We are still to love the homosexual, but we don’t lie to them, we also lead them to chastity. Unfortunately some don’t know this and become very hateful, because they have been treated so badly. Now if they want a chaste life the gay community is even more hateful to them, than the people they first were hurt from. I encourage anyone that wants to know about this to go to the www.couragerc.net website to see for yourself.
God bless
 
Your wrong, I have a son with SSA and have been to the Courage Conference, a ministry of the Catholic church and we know why many of them have become homosexuals. It’ a process of many things, but the bottom line is the personality type that has many rejections in life and has not been affirmed by their gender, either by the father or peers, and some have been rejected by the way they look, with women and people in general and some have learning disabilities.

None of you on here really understand it, unless you have a child or love one who is suffering from the disordered sexual desire, you shouldn’t be giving false advice. To answer someone that all the temptation applies to all of us I agree, and I am not bashing gays. So telling the truth is what some people don’t want to hear. But the pathology with homosexual relationships are over forty percent higher in homosexual men than heterosexual, more problems with drugs, aids, diseases, emotional problems, and the like because that life is unhealthy, because it’s not a normal healthy life that they were made for.

Since we are talking mainly about homosexuality, I was only addressing those issues. Of course we all have temptations and trials. I didn’t say there wasn’t good in money or TV and such, but if they are the avenue which many people strive to live as one of their idols, it’s going to take you down the wrong path. I think you all as Catholics should know what is an idol. Anything that means more to you than God.

The reasons for homosexuality are many and as I have stated they were not born this way. It’s not their fault for the attraction, but like anything, if we felt like robbing someone, should we do it? I am tired of all the lame excuses for people to live that lifestyle. From the many testimonies at Courage they all knew as some point it was a dead end life. So people get your facts straight and learn your Catholic faith. We are still to love the homosexual, but we don’t lie to them, we also lead them to chastity. Unfortunately some don’t know this and become very hateful, because they have been treated so badly. Now if they want a chaste life the gay community is even more hateful to them, than the people they first were hurt from. I encourage anyone that wants to know about this to go to the www.couragerc.net website to see for yourself.
God bless
What you have run into is that types of people with SSA stay Catholic. Now the people with SSA who become Catholic is a very different thing.

The statistics for the LGBT community is generally horrific, for example gay men are 44 times as likely to have HIV/AIDS than straight men. Some people who have been rejected turn to drugs, especially if the people they hang out with also do drugs. On the emotional side in addition to casual sex being not nourishing there is the fact that many feel that society hates them, especially the older gays.

Ah, you were talking about them as idols, okay that makes sense. Money is a particularly common vice, people pursue it as an end not a means.

Indeed, many of the people who come to Courage realize that that lifestyle is a dead end. We really need better outreach, many people in the LGBT community think we hate homosexuals, which we don’t. I have noticed that the gay community seems to hate chaste gays virulently.

Unfortunately the Courage group in my diocese doesn’t have a host parish yet, however Bishop Soto is working on it.
I don’t think you understand, I am not asking for more reasons to justify your intolerance, everyone justifies their intolerance. I want to know why you feel that you doing so not hypocritical?
I explained why in the last sentence
 
I am a homosexual man, but I live a chaste life. Does that still make me a sinner? I don’t think that it does. I swore my celibacy years ago (I’m only 23), when I converted to the Catholic faith. And I will keep my celibacy until my death. I never thought of this “converting” thing that is being discussed, I guess because deep down it was impossible. I will never know the beauty of marriage between a man and a woman or that of having a family. But I can live a life of celibacy and happiness in the service of Christ. So, in essence, what I’m trying to say is that no, I don’t believe “conversion” is possible, but I DO believe that homosexuals can choose to live a chaste and celibate life for God.

Peace be with you.
 
…I explained why in the last sentence
You have tried to justify your intolerance as everyone else does. I don’t really care about justifications, they are all easily exposed for what they are. I want to know why you think it is not hypocritical for you to be intolerant of other orientations, but you want us to be tolerant of yours? I don’t need a list of justifications, I want an admission that the position is hypocritical. Remember you told me…Your wording is extremely imprudent, gives people the impression that Catholics hate homosexuals… Yet here I have exposed you doing the very same thing concerning other orientations. When you made this statement, you probably didn’t expect me to fight back, but now that the shoe is on the other foot you seem gladly willing to ignore the obvious hypocrisy of the situation. Why is that?:confused:
 
The Church teaches homosexual acts are mortally sinful.
Remember that Homosexual inclinations are not sinful, it is homosexual acts. At courage, we don’t use that word anyway, it demeans the person by saying who they are as their sexual preference. Same Sex Attraction is how we view the problem. PPH We also call this people practicing or promoting Homosexuality.
 
You have tried to justify your intolerance as everyone else does. I don’t really care about justifications, they are all easily exposed for what they are. I want to know why you think it is not hypocritical for you to be intolerant of other orientations, but you want us to be tolerant of yours? I don’t need a list of justifications, I want an admission that the position is hypocritical. Remember you told me…Your wording is extremely imprudent, gives people the impression that Catholics hate homosexuals… Yet here I have exposed you doing the very same thing concerning other orientations. When you made this statement, you probably didn’t expect me to fight back, but now that the shoe is on the other foot you seem gladly willing to ignore the obvious hypocrisy of the situation. Why is that?:confused:
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
It says nothing of the sort about necrophiliacs, zoophiles, incestuous relationships, polygamy. So while Catholics are obligated to treat people with same sex attraction with “respect, compassion, and sensitivity” we are not obligated to do anything of the sort about the groups you mentioned.

If you don’t understand the Catechisms I’m not sure what to tell you, maybe get a copy of YOUCAT? 🤷
Remember that Homosexual inclinations are not sinful, it is homosexual acts. At courage, we don’t use that word anyway, it demeans the person by saying who they are as their sexual preference. Same Sex Attraction is how we view the problem. PPH We also call this people practicing or promoting Homosexuality.
Very true, the actions are what are sinful. Same Sex Attraction is a better term because it doesn’t have a lot of “garbage” weighing it down.
 
It says nothing of the sort about necrophiliacs, zoophiles, incestuous relationships, polygamy.
You are still excusing your intolerance. I see that you cannot admit it is hypocritical. 😊
So while Catholics are obligated to treat people with same sex attraction with “respect, compassion, and sensitivity” we are not obligated to do anything of the sort about the groups you mentioned.
We are required to treat all people that way, right?
 
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