Can a Homosexual become a Heterosexual?

[speakttruth]

You seem to fail to realize that man is incapable of curing concupiscence of the flesh, only God can do that. Reparative therapy is divorced from God and is based on Freud’s work who I’m sure you know has fall out of favor in the US once people realize he was a crackhead crank who wanted to screw his mother, elsewhere people didn’t take Freud seriously.

I’m sorry about your son, but it is messing up your ability to think rationally on this topic. You in your attempt to get your son to stay with you alienated him if how you post has any connection to how you talked to him. G’day ma’am.

Dakota, I am not irrational and my thinking isn’t messed up. Just because your having the problem with SSA. doesn’t mean therapy doesn’t work or that it isn’t of God. Are you saying that the Courage site is steering people away from God? Of course God did create doctors. Fr. Harvey in his last book wrote that with Therapy combined with a person’s faith, a person can become 100 percent heterosexual. He said 100 %. This is for a person who wants this, not being made to do it. With therapy alone less than thirty percent or so. So only with God can you overcome SSA completely. It doesn’t happen over night. If God made us in the image of himself it wasn’t to be a homosexual, so we know it is possible with God. Anything is possible. Yes you have free will either to work with God or not. Some people choose to just be celibate and don’t want to deal with trying to become heterosexual because it is too hard or have been in that life for so long and have a lot of baggage. Or it is not important to them or can’t believe it will work for them.

You are young and there is more hope for you. If I am irrational, I guess Fr. Harvey was too. He had proof in this matter and was in charge of the Courage Apostate. I am going to take the word of a man that has been there and done that. You are very young and inexperience in those areas. Do you have no hope that you can change? What did Jesus say that we can become a new person in him? So he is a liar? Will we always be tempted to sin, yes, but we can overcome with God. He never said it would be easy. It has been four years with my son, and I have overcome so much and am closer to God then ever before in my life. I am strong with God in me. I am just responding to the posts and venting in some areas. I thought you were going to go to Courage and work with them. It sounds like something didn’t work out. Fr. Check would have talk to you and you could trust him. Sometimes with supernatural things, you can’t think intelligently because you wouldn’t believe that things are real, but don’t forget it’s supernatural the power of God. He has the power to do anything.

Bye the way I don’t talk much to my son about religion or some of these subjects. He has found that his Non verbal learning disorder and has found he has some Aspergers, has done worse for him than what I could ever say to him. He is 27 almost 28 and is just now realizing he has had a communication problem all his life because of the brain cancer he had when he was five. He left out of rebellion, and wanted friends desperately and it would have not mattered what I said. You don’t know all the circumstances of people lives to make a judgment. This site isn’t really a place to help your SSA, that is why I suggest to go to Courage.
God bless you. You are in my prayers.

 

[GrandeChartreus]

Wow this thread is awful ! So much hate. I do not understand how Catholics can write such things ! Maybe instead of writing such things about homosexuals they should review their lives and thought process and see how far they are from Christ message of loving our neighbor.

I am sorry for those who think otherwise but NO they cannot change.

I think this whole theory that people can change homosexual is puerile and false. Restrict their temptation is feasible (also for heterosexuals) but changing them… NO

White Sheep: Are you serious ? Homosexuality is NOT / NO a mental illness ! Seriously people ? Sounds like I am back in the 40’s !!!

They may pretend to change in order to fit in the mold or due to indoctrination but it doesn’t work like that.

How about we start accepting them for who they are instead of trying to reform their ways.

Homosexuals are people of God and God bless them with different things then the majority. Such difference doesn’t grant us the right to reform their ways.

I know many gays and they are the most devout catholics I have seen in my life.

I strongly recommend you to follow our CCC:

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition

 

[nickybr38]

Wow this thread is awful ! So much hate. I do not understand how Catholics can write such things ! Maybe instead of writing such things about homosexuals they should review their lives and thought process and see how far they are from Christ message of loving our neighbor.

I am sorry for those who think otherwise but NO they cannot change.

I think this whole theory that people can change homosexual is puerile and false. Restrict their temptation is feasible (also for heterosexuals) but changing them… NO

White Sheep: Are you serious ? Homosexuality is NOT / NO a mental illness ! Seriously people ? Sounds like I am back in the 40’s !!!

They may pretend to change in order to fit in the mold or due to indoctrination but it doesn’t work like that.

How about we start accepting them for who they are instead of trying to reform their ways.

Homosexuals are people of God and God bless them with different things then the majority. Such difference doesn’t grant us the right to reform their ways.

I know many gays and they are the most devout catholics I have seen in my life.

I strongly recommend you to follow our CCC:

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition

I disagree. I don’t think it’s as clear cut as ; homosexuality can never be helped.

I believe that abuse can sometimes make people turn to homosexual behavior (just as I believe abuse can make people turn to unhealthy hetereosexual behavior). They may then identify as homosexual but they may not BE homosexual. In that case a person could be, through much therapy, taught to let go of that behavior.

I know of a young man who identifies as homosexual but he admits he feels no attraction towards men. He seeks men for relationships (and sex) merely because he feels safe with them. You would argue he’s not truly homosexual but he identifies as such! And in his case, I believe therapy WOULD help him let go of this behavior.

I do not believe ALL cases of homosexuality are caused by abuse but in those rare cases that are, they can be helped.

And I do believe there is science to back this opinion up. Now I understand not everyone agrees but I think everyone CAN agree that we should never speak in absolutes (and I realize the irony of saying this while speaking in absolutes myself… ).

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

Dakota, I am not irrational and my thinking isn’t messed up. Just because your having the problem with SSA. doesn’t mean therapy doesn’t work or that it isn’t of God. Are you saying that the Courage site is steering people away from God? Of course God did create doctors. Fr. Harvey in his last book wrote that with Therapy combined with a person’s faith, a person can become 100 percent heterosexual. He said 100 %. This is for a person who wants this, not being made to do it. With therapy alone less than thirty percent or so. So only with God can you overcome SSA completely. It doesn’t happen over night. If God made us in the image of himself it wasn’t to be a homosexual, so we know it is possible with God. Anything is possible. Yes you have free will either to work with God or not. Some people choose to just be celibate and don’t want to deal with trying to become heterosexual because it is too hard or have been in that life for so long and have a lot of baggage. Or it is not important to them or can’t believe it will work for them.

You are young and there is more hope for you. If I am irrational, I guess Fr. Harvey was too. He had proof in this matter and was in charge of the Courage Apostate. I am going to take the word of a man that has been there and done that. You are very young and inexperience in those areas. Do you have no hope that you can change? What did Jesus say that we can become a new person in him? So he is a liar? Will we always be tempted to sin, yes, but we can overcome with God. He never said it would be easy. It has been four years with my son, and I have overcome so much and am closer to God then ever before in my life. I am strong with God in me. I am just responding to the posts and venting in some areas. I thought you were going to go to Courage and work with them. It sounds like something didn’t work out. Fr. Check would have talk to you and you could trust him. Sometimes with supernatural things, you can’t think intelligently because you wouldn’t believe that things are real, but don’t forget it’s supernatural the power of God. He has the power to do anything.

Bye the way I don’t talk much to my son about religion or some of these subjects. He has found that his Non verbal learning disorder and has found he has some Aspergers, has done worse for him than what I could ever say to him. He is 27 almost 28 and is just now realizing he has had a communication problem all his life because of the brain cancer he had when he was five. He left out of rebellion, and wanted friends desperately and it would have not mattered what I said. You don’t know all the circumstances of people lives to make a judgment. This site isn’t really a place to help your SSA, that is why I suggest to go to Courage.
God bless you. You are in my prayers.

You are labouring under the fallacious assumption that concupiscence of the flesh is very much curable by humans. God of course can obviously change them if that is His will. The 12 steps that Courage uses work quite well for people with addictions, but they are rather ineffective for those who aren’t addicted to something like sex or porn/masturbation, but for someone who isn’t addicted to something and is more or less in control they are worthless at best and degrading at worst.

Having not read his book I can’t tell if you are remembering what he said correctly, I suppose the only solution is for me to pick up the book myself.

Those combine to give a somewhat fragile emotional state, what you might think to be completely harmless can trigger them.

I went to a Courage meeting, there was no value in it, besides, I can’t really connect with people old enough to be my grandfather

Homosexual acts are always and intrinsically wrong

nickybr38:

I disagree. I don’t think it’s as clear cut as ; homosexuality can never be helped.

I believe that abuse can sometimes make people turn to homosexual behavior (just as I believe abuse can make people turn to unhealthy hetereosexual behavior). They may then identify as homosexual but they may not BE homosexual. In that case a person could be, through much therapy, taught to let go of that behavior.

I know of a young man who identifies as homosexual but he admits he feels no attraction towards men. He seeks men for relationships (and sex) merely because he feels safe with them. You would argue he’s not truly homosexual but he identifies as such! And in his case, I believe therapy WOULD help him let go of this behavior.

I do not believe ALL cases of homosexuality are caused by abuse but in those rare cases that are, they can be helped.

And I do believe there is science to back this opinion up. Now I understand not everyone agrees but I think everyone CAN agree that we should never speak in absolutes (and I realize the irony of saying this while speaking in absolutes myself… ).

 

[speakttruth]

The Catholic church doesn’t say anything about how to help a homosexual out of that life, and doesn’t say they cannot heal from those wounds and be brought back to the way God made men and women. So we should be loving but we always tell them the truth in love. That is not hateful. If you went on the Courage site, it encourages chaste behavior, but for men and women who desire to be married and have children their is help. Fr. Harvey books tell them how to do that. With God anything is possible. You obviously don’t know your facts and your attitude would suggest then no one can change, your stuck with your alcoholism, pornography addiction, drugs, or what ever. You are not educated on the problems that bring most men and women to their SSA, they were not born with it. Dr. Fitz-gibbons is also an excellent therapist for anger and forgiveness that he has dealt with homosexuality and Same sex attraction for years. He is a staunch Catholic and I have met him at the Courage conference. If you have a child you want to find everything you can and follow your faith, you never give up hope. I myself know that my child wouldn’t function well in any relationship because of his disabilities and hope for him to be chaste and would accept that. A person has to have the desire to change and put God first in there life. Nothing comes easer or fast, but don’t give people the impression that is false. Even using the term Gay is accepting of homosexual behavior and is demeaning to identify a person by their sexuality and not who the person is. It was a name made up from the activists to make homosexuality sound nice, even the word homophope was made up to make people feel guilty for speaking up against that behavior and making them think they are hateful and to shut up.

The Courage Apostate uses the term Same Sex Attraction and only refers to PPH, People promoting or practicing homosexuality when talking about people in that life. That is not who they are, but what they are doing. This apostate is the only one that has been accepted by the pontificate.
Fr. Harvey who is deceased work with men and women with SSA over forty years. He was so loving to all of these men and women struggling. I strongly suggest you educate yourself with his last book and visit his site. Fr. Check is the new director and is a beautiful human being and we should always be loving to everyone. When my anger arises and justifiably, when the activist push this as normal and when people are ignorant of what that lifestyle brings and wants people to just accept that as normal. If you had one in your life you would know the truth and would never want that for anyone. I commend celibate men and women who still suffer from SSA, they are truly victim souls and I love them all who are suffering this situation. It is such a cross.
God Bless

Wow this thread is awful ! So much hate. I do not understand how Catholics can write such things ! Maybe instead of writing such things about homosexuals they should review their lives and thought process and see how far they are from Christ message of loving our neighbor.

I am sorry for those who think otherwise but NO they cannot change.

I think this whole theory that people can change homosexual is puerile and false. Restrict their temptation is feasible (also for heterosexuals) but changing them… NO

White Sheep: Are you serious ? Homosexuality is NOT / NO a mental illness ! Seriously people ? Sounds like I am back in the 40’s !!!

They may pretend to change in order to fit in the mold or due to indoctrination but it doesn’t work like that.

How about we start accepting them for who they are instead of trying to reform their ways.

Homosexuals are people of God and God bless them with different things then the majority. Such difference doesn’t grant us the right to reform their ways.

I know many gays and they are the most devout catholics I have seen in my life.

I strongly recommend you to follow our CCC:

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition

 

[nickybr38]

You are labouring under the fallacious assumption that concupiscence of the flesh is very much curable by humans. God of course can obviously change them if that is His will. The 12 steps that Courage uses work quite well for people with addictions, but they are rather ineffective for those who aren’t addicted to something like sex or porn/masturbation, but for someone who isn’t addicted to something and is more or less in control they are worthless at best and degrading at worst.

Having not read his book I can’t tell if you are remembering what he said correctly, I suppose the only solution is for me to pick up the book myself.

Those combine to give a somewhat fragile emotional state, what you might think to be completely harmless can trigger them.

I went to a Courage meeting, there was no value in it, besides, I can’t really connect with people old enough to be my grandfather

Homosexual acts are always and intrinsically wrong

Just FYI, I wasn’t referring to Courage meetings specifically but therapy in general.

 

[speakttruth]

Dakota,
I think the 12 steps are supposed to be helpful to overcome, not necessarily just an addiction, but whatever is keeping you bound. Anger and forgiveness, not necessarily an addiction. Trust issues. Those are wounds to overcome. It sounds, like you gave up too soon with the Courage meetings. Did you talk to the head person? You could call Fr. Check and talk to him, he would be very helpful. I can understand how you would feel uncomfortable with older men. When I was talking about therapy it was more about your past wounds, not so much reparative and with a Catholic therapist. Dr. Fitz-gibbon is excellent. Healing from past wounds is a good way to start the process. I recommended that book to you before. The truth about Homosexuality, The cry of the Faithful. It speaks to the arguments also of homosexuality.
Men cannot cure, God can. Remember it is a process, not an instant fix. You didn’t get to this point in one day and will not get out of it in one day. We need the grace for patience and fortitude. I pray for you Dakota, I hope for your miracle that only God can give. If your putting God first in your life and if you want it bad enough it will happen. It is ok too if you just accept that this is your cross and just want to accept a chaste life, you can live a fulfilling life. Please accept my apology if I offended you in anyway, I am very close to this situation. I just don’t want you to give up or lose hope. Our main goal is heaven for all of us.
Praying for you.
God bless

You are laboring under the fallacious assumption that concupiscence of the flesh is very much curable by humans. God of course can obviously change them if that is His will. The 12 steps that Courage uses work quite well for people with addictions, but they are rather ineffective for those who aren’t addicted to something like sex or porn/masturbation, but for someone who isn’t addicted to something and is more or less in control they are worthless at best and degrading at worst.

Having not read his book I can’t tell if you are remembering what he said correctly, I suppose the only solution is for me to pick up the book myself.

Those combine to give a somewhat fragile emotional state, what you might think to be completely harmless can trigger them.

I went to a Courage meeting, there was no value in it, besides, I can’t really connect with people old enough to be my grandfather

Homosexual acts are always and intrinsically wrong

 

[CMatt25]

What are your thoughts?

Not if they are truly homosexual and were born with that sole preference. Not any more than a heterosexual can choose to become a homosexual. Heterosexuals don’t just wake up one day and decide to be heterosexual. Neither do those of other preferences. Anyway those are my thoughts.

 

[nickybr38]

Not if they are truly homosexual and were born with that sole preference. Not any more than a heterosexual can choose to become a homosexual. Heterosexuals don’t just wake up one day and decide to be heterosexual. Neither do those of other preferences. Anyway those are my thoughts.

Not all sexual preferences are ingrained in us.

I don’t think many believe that those who are sexually attracted to children are born that way.
I don’t think many believe that those who are sexually attracted to animals are born that way.
I don’t think many believe that those are sexually turned on by certain smells are born that way.

Sexual preferences are behaviors we learn through abuse, through neglect, through experience, through whatever…

I would argue homosexual behavior falls under the ; ‘not natural’ banner, like sexually desiring an undeveloped child or an animal. If it does fall under the not natural banner then I would be inclined to believe it is not something we are born with but something we are conditioned to, maybe as early as birth (who KNOWS).

I don’t think there’s enough science to say sexual preference is something we’re born with.

Hetereosexual behavior makes sense. I don’t believe it is a ‘sexual preference’. Man and woman together make babies which in turn allows the race to continue forward. Biologically it is required to continue the human race. Any other sexual preference runs contrary to nature so seems unnatural and thus it seems unlikely to me that we would be hard wired for it.

BUT I am no scientist. I haven’t spent a great deal of time studying these things (although I have listened to a few lectures and read a few articles). I’m just looking at this through the eyes of common sense.

 

[Baelor]

Any other sexual preference runs contrary to nature so seems unnatural and thus it seems unlikely to me that we would be hard wired for it.

That does not quite make sense. Some mental illnesses/disabilities are indeed natural, and there is no question that they “run contrary to nature.”

 

[nickybr38]

That does not quite make sense. Some mental illnesses/disabilities are indeed natural, and there is no question that they “run contrary to nature.”

True enough. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

The Catholic church doesn’t say anything about how to help a homosexual out of that life, and doesn’t say they cannot heal from those wounds and be brought back to the way God made men and women. So we should be loving but we always tell them the truth in love. That is not hateful. If you went on the Courage site, it encourages chaste behavior, but for men and women who desire to be married and have children their is help. Fr. Harvey books tell them how to do that. With God anything is possible. You obviously don’t know your facts and your attitude would suggest then no one can change, your stuck with your alcoholism, pornography addiction, drugs, or what ever. snip

The Twelve Steps work for addictions…

Dakota,
I think the 12 steps are supposed to be helpful to overcome, not necessarily just an addiction, but whatever is keeping you bound. Anger and forgiveness, not necessarily an addiction. Trust issues. Those are wounds to overcome. It sounds, like you gave up too soon with the Courage meetings. Did you talk to the head person? You could call Fr. Check and talk to him, he would be very helpful. I can understand how you would feel uncomfortable with older men. When I was talking about therapy it was more about your past wounds, not so much reparative and with a Catholic therapist. Dr. Fitz-gibbon is excellent. Healing from past wounds is a good way to start the process. I recommended that book to you before. The truth about Homosexuality, The cry of the Faithful. It speaks to the arguments also of homosexuality.
Men cannot cure, God can. Remember it is a process, not an instant fix. You didn’t get to this point in one day and will not get out of it in one day. We need the grace for patience and fortitude. I pray for you Dakota, I hope for your miracle that only God can give. If your putting God first in your life and if you want it bad enough it will happen. It is ok too if you just accept that this is your cross and just want to accept a chaste life, you can live a fulfilling life. Please accept my apology if I offended you in anyway, I am very close to this situation. I just don’t want you to give up or lose hope. Our main goal is heaven for all of us.
Praying for you.
God bless

Anger is an addiction… (it follows the pathology)
I have an intact family, my mother was not domineering, I simply don’t like sports, I have pretty much always hung out with guys etc.
I have been trying to say that men can not change it, but God can for a very long time…

Not all sexual preferences are ingrained in us.

I don’t think many believe that those who are sexually attracted to children are born that way.
I don’t think many believe that those who are sexually attracted to animals are born that way.
I don’t think many believe that those are sexually turned on by certain smells are born that way.

Sexual preferences are behaviors we learn through abuse, through neglect, through experience, through whatever…

I would argue homosexual behavior falls under the ; ‘not natural’ banner, like sexually desiring an undeveloped child or an animal. If it does fall under the not natural banner then I would be inclined to believe it is not something we are born with but something we are conditioned to, maybe as early as birth (who KNOWS).

I don’t think there’s enough science to say sexual preference is something we’re born with.

Hetereosexual behavior makes sense. I don’t believe it is a ‘sexual preference’. Man and woman together make babies which in turn allows the race to continue forward. Biologically it is required to continue the human race. Any other sexual preference runs contrary to nature so seems unnatural and thus it seems unlikely to me that we would be hard wired for it.

BUT I am no scientist. I haven’t spent a great deal of time studying these things (although I have listened to a few lectures and read a few articles). I’m just looking at this through the eyes of common sense.

Sadly a number of those who are “attracted” to children do appear to be born with it, the best we can do is chemically castrate them or lock them up because they are incapable of understanding it is wrong on a logical level, typically they manage to rationalize it so far that they believe they are helping the child.

People here really need to understand “concupiscence”

 

[nickybr38]

Sadly a number of those who are “attracted” to children do appear to be born with it, the best we can do is chemically castrate them or lock them up because they are incapable of understanding it is wrong on a logical level, typically they manage to rationalize it so far that they believe they are helping the child.

People here really need to understand “concupiscence”

I’m not sure I agree with that. I will study the issue more but it seems to me those who seek children are often pushed that way through abuse.

I don’t know! Maybe I’m reading the wrong books but it seems many deviant behaviors can be traced to abuse or neglect in childhood.

 

[Tenofovir]

I’m not sure I agree with that. I will study the issue more but it seems to me those who seek children are often pushed that way through abuse.

I don’t know! Maybe I’m reading the wrong books but it seems many deviant behaviors can be traced to abuse or neglect in childhood.

I can’t say if a homosexual can become heterosexual for sure, but I know at least one homosexual man who is happily married to a woman and they have a child (now an adult) and he loves his wife like there is no tomorrow. Such is possible. This man is also quite devoted religiously.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

I’m not sure I agree with that. I will study the issue more but it seems to me those who seek children are often pushed that way through abuse.

I don’t know! Maybe I’m reading the wrong books but it seems many deviant behaviors can be traced to abuse or neglect in childhood.

That seems to be a minority cause for it.

I can’t say if a homosexual can become heterosexual for sure, but I know at least one homosexual man who is happily married to a woman and they have a child (now an adult) and he loves his wife like there is no tomorrow. Such is possible. This man is also quite devoted religiously.

If he really loves his wife whether he is remotely sexually interested in her is irrelevant, he will engage in sex because that is what a good husband does.

 

[Tenofovir]

If he really loves his wife whether he is remotely sexually interested in her is irrelevant, he will engage in sex because that is what a good husband does.

It definitely is relevant. I don’t think one should be so cavalier to dismiss the trials many people go through to live a life with someone who cannot fully satisfy them sexually. Such a person is a far better Christian than someone does not have these problems, given everything else. Most people do want (even need) sexual love with their agape. It is definitely a good thing.

 

[speakttruth]

My Question,

Were is the evidence that a pedophile was born that way? I do know that most of them can not overcome their desires for children it seems. That is a nasty problem. The devil is very clever with that attraction. Also the cause for a majority of SSA is molestation,and in combination with other situations which because of a man’s anatomy they perceived because they may have responded to it, that later they believe they must be homosexual. This is what many have learned in Courage. I learned so much at the conferences. Also Dr. Fitz-gibbons also says the condition of the kitchen window child is another reason for the SSA, that they watch other guys bond together and are left out of that affirmation that all men need besides their fathers, in order to feel masculine, that they later look for that affirmation when they become attracted to other men for friendship and it gets sexualized. He is very good at helping men with SSA with anger and forgiveness issues. He wrote a book about that.

My son had cancer at five and never was accepted in his peer group all through school, because he wasn’t athletic. Especially when our country is so focused on sports it adds to the problems of being left out. That is where the anger comes of being treated like they don’t exist and are left out. Yes anger is an addiction. My son was also into music with the band in high school and was differrent from most children and even those boys didn’t include him and his music director wasn’t very helpful either. He was bright and had such good work ethics, but they just didn’t understand what was going on in his mind because none of us realized his NLD till later in college and by that time most of the damaged was done and he had perceptions that left him always defensive. Now he also has some Aspergers.

My son has realized just in the last month that he an Anger issue and many of the problems in the last six years of his life with jobs that he has had problems with was his defensiveness and combined with his NLD and Aspergers added to his communication problems which he also just realized affected his decisions. I am hoping that he realized that this is the root of his problems and will seek the proper help. He told me that he had a life coach before that was and ex- priest that is homosexual and he sees a therapist that is homosexual. We have told him that these people have anger problems themselves how are they going to help you? It is very frustrating. Please pray for him. His name is Rob.
Thank you
God bless

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

My Question,

Were is the evidence that a pedophile was born that way? I do know that most of them can not overcome their desires for children it seems. That is a nasty problem. The devil is very clever with that attraction. Also the cause for a majority of SSA is molestation,and in combination with other situations which because of a man’s anatomy they perceived because they may have responded to it, that later they believe they must be homosexual. This is what many have learned in Courage. I learned so much at the conferences. Also Dr. Fitz-gibbons also says the condition of the kitchen window child is another reason for the SSA, that they watch other guys bond together and are left out of that affirmation that all men need besides their fathers, in order to feel masculine, that they later look for that affirmation when they become attracted to other men for friendship and it gets sexualized. He is very good at helping men with SSA with anger and forgiveness issues. He wrote a book about that.

My son had cancer at five and never was accepted in his peer group all through school, because he wasn’t athletic. Especially when our country is so focused on sports it adds to the problems of being left out. That is where the anger comes of being treated like they don’t exist and are left out. Yes anger is an addiction. My son was also into music with the band in high school and was differrent from most children and even those boys didn’t include him and his music director wasn’t very helpful either. He was bright and had such good work ethics, but they just didn’t understand what was going on in his mind because none of us realized his NLD till later in college and by that time most of the damaged was done and he had perceptions that left him always defensive. Now he also has some Aspergers.

My son has realized just in the last month that he an Anger issue and many of the problems in the last six years of his life with jobs that he has had problems with was his defensiveness and combined with his NLD and Aspergers added to his communication problems which he also just realized affected his decisions. I am hoping that he realized that this is the root of his problems and will seek the proper help. He told me that he had a life coach before that was and ex- priest that is homosexual and he sees a therapist that is homosexual. We have told him that these people have anger problems themselves how are they going to help you? It is very frustrating. Please pray for him. His name is Rob.
Thank you
God bless

I apologize, that appears to have been a misremembering mixed with it being midnight. Regardless is does appear to be rather incurable. The cause is still unknown however there does appear to be a general consensus that it is caused by psychosocial factors not biology. The leading hypothesis appears to be that it is out of a sensation of needing to dominate a sexual partner, another is that it a result of retarded or even stunted development.

What about someone who has none of those problems?

I’ll pray for him

 

[MarkAndrew]

Hi,
First of all we are all heterosexuals and some heterosexuals have a homosexual problem.
Since we are all meant to be heterosexuals, because we have the proof stamp on our bodies and DNA regardless of what you think you feel at the time, indicates female or male. Can’t change that even surgery. Homosexuality is a disordered sexual problem. Meaning it’s out of the order of the Natural Law. The person isn’t called disordered it’s their sexuality that is disordered. Now that we got that out of the way. I have personal experience with a loved one with this problem. I have talked to many people, mothers, brothers, sisters, daughters,fathers, who have loved ones with this problem. People that have this problem should be refereed to as having SSA, same sex attraction or act out on it, PPH people practicing or promoting homosexuality. The site for chaste Catholics for more info is www.couragerc.net Courage is a support group for SSA, and Encourage is a group with family members that have SSA The only ministry approved by the Pontificate.
All people who have SSA and I mean all, have emotional wounds from childhood either perceived or real. Isn’t that why we have most of all our problems, stemming from childhood? People with SSA in particular are a more sensitivity type of person, which would be a predisposition of the personality they were born with. Not all sensitive people have SSA, but all SSA are a sensitive person, more than usual. Most males have father wounds,didn’t bond with males or their father, over involved mothers, rejection of peers and women, poor body image, in their childhood they were most likely not athletic, poor hand and eye coordination, had a trauma in childhood, some sexual abused. All these together set the stage for SSA. I haven’t heard one family that has a child that came from a perfect family without any problems of these kinds of things that has a SSA person in their family. Some say they knew when they were five. A five year old doesn’t know what sex is. Men have sexual feelings around puberty and many little boys may have confused a person that they were looking after as a person that would love and accept them, but not in a sexual way, because they weren’t getting attention from their own fathers. SSA doesn’t become sexualized till later around puberty or even college for late bloomers. Anyway, the point I am trying to make if a person that doesn’t want these attractions want help their is help, but some have been healed by a conversion to faith of Jesus Christ. What most men with SSA needed anyway, was healthy male, heterosexual, non- sexual relationships for their healing process. In any problems in a SSA life, some people will heal at different rates, some may get their attraction back faster than others. But living longer in that lifestyle makes it harder not to remember those sexual actions, that may keep the attractions harder to get rid of. It takes time to heal from alcoholic addictions, it will take time from sexual addictions. If a person really and truly put their lives in God hands and goes back in time to what wounds that brought them to this place in the beginning, they can overcome and be healthy again . Some men who may just want to live a chaste life, because they may not want any sexual relationships with anyone. Women have a different reason for SSA, many have been raped or molested and don’t feel safe in a relationship with a man, and some didn’t have a strong father and a distant mother. It’s not about the sex with women, it’s about feeling secure, men are more about the sex. Fathers for both are the biggest factor. That is why this world is going down. We are bringing up emasculated men, by feminist putting men down. We need strong men. Wake up guys. I am not a doctor, but these are my experiences and there may be exceptions to the rules, but I haven’t seen one yet. The American Physiological Associations are not giving good advice because they have on their boards full of PPH people that want to keep them in that life. Totally bias. God heals, we have to trust that he will bring us back to the creation he created. It was not for the same sex. That is why the Catholic church is the best place to be.
God Bless
Hope this helps

I’m not sure if your heart is just filled with hate or if you’re a closeted homosexual. You seem to be trying to simplify reasons for SSA/homosexuality. The reality is there is no simple answers and there is scientific evidence that suggests homosexuality is genetic. If that is found to be true, then I believe you are saying God has created something imperfect. I don’t know what the right answer is, nor do I ignorantly pretend to “know” things that I have no knowledge of; what I do know is that the teaching of the church are to love your neighbor as you love yourself. Your hate is offensive and I for one am not God and will not pass judgement on these people nor will I make any suggestion to any of them but to live a good Catholic life and pray for the answers they seek. “Emasculated Men, Feminists putting them down”, you should pray for guidance, understanding, empathy because there sounds to be quite a bit of hate in your message against gays, women and the men who love them. Put yourself in their shoes for a day, see if you can force yourself to have SSA, if you’re repulsed by the exercise, you can only imagine how you’re making these people feel.

 

[Saint_Kevin]

Absolutely! People convert and get married to members of the opposite sex, but you never hear the message from the main stream media.