Can a Mormon marry a Catholic in the Catholic Church?

[Denae]

My mother is a Catholic and my father is a Protestant…my father is quite against the Catholic Church…they got married in his church because my father had been married before. They make it work because my mother isn’t practicing. They agreed to raise me and my sisters Catholic though.

 

[Hellisreal]

What warning do they give italian girls about marrying Muslims?

The main reason I can think for this would be that in Islam is it simply accepted that all children will be raised Isalmic. She had to promise or at least accept this.

Under islamic law (if they move to a muslim country) he can still marry 3 more women, if he divorces her she cannot have custody of her children because she is not a muslim, she cannot inherit anything from him as all assests must follow the Muslim line. There is a long list of discriminations like this that Isalm holds against non-Muslims… including non-Muslim wives.

Further a Muslim woman cannot marry a non-Muslim man, period. It is apostacy. Hence the misguided mercy killings we see when some Muslim girls make the grave mistake of wanting to date/court or marry a non-Muslim man.

IMHO, it is a form of aprthied that goes along with the all the aparthied type Islamic laws.

One of my neices married a Muslim. She was a cradle Catholic who was promissed that she did not need to convert. Her family was not allowed at the marriage ceremony… not even her mother and father, because they are catholic and hence infidels. Why she would insult her family this way I have no idea. Learning this I refused to go to the reception/dinner.

Of course over time she has converted to Islam.

Dear Barfarfalla,

I am going to keep her in my daily Rosary, because Mary is the one to ask in this case. In her Son’s name!

Thank you for your witness to me on other threads. I am trying harder to learn more about this, and I am very sorry your family is having to go through this now.

I have seen other threads here, one from Yessian, and it ripped my heart out.

The children ought to be the ones that we ultimately think about first, before they are born.

 

[BelFarfalla]

Dear Barfarfalla,

I am going to keep her in my daily Rosary, because Mary is the one to ask in this case. In her Son’s name!

Thank you for your witness to me on other threads. I am trying harder to learn more about this, and I am very sorry your family is having to go through this now.

I have seen other threads here, one from Yessian, and it ripped my heart out.

The children ought to be the ones that we ultimately think about first, before they are born.

Thank you, we really need it, especially my brother and his family. He is so concerned that if he ruffles their feathers that they will never bring the grandchildren around again…they have two beautiful little boys. So my brother and his family bend over backwards. Niece and her husband no object that her parents, devout Catholics, have bibles in their home which the grand kids can see them and be exposed to ‘paganism’ (they believe as Islam does that Christianity is simply paganism). So my brother now removes all bibles and Catholic things from view when this particular daughter visits. It’s sad to see.

 

[Hellisreal]

Thank you, we really need it, especially my brother and his family. He is so concerned that if he ruffles their feathers that they will never bring the grandchildren around again…they have two beautiful little boys. So my brother and his family bend over backwards. Niece and her husband no object that her parents, devout Catholics, have bibles in their home which the grand kids can see them and be exposed to ‘paganism’ (they believe as Islam does that Christianity is simply paganism). So my brother now removes all bibles and Catholic things from view when this particular daughter visits. It’s sad to see.

:bible1:

Theotokos, Mother of God, Pray for this family and keep them close to your Son,

Ever Virgin Mary, most holy Mother, keep this family under your Emmaculate Mantle, and protect them Mother.

Holy Mary, Mother of God, Pray for us

(will log off now to properly focus for this intention, it is urgent)

 

[Pope_Noah_I]

The Catholic Church, for whatever reason, does allow Christians to marry all sorts of non-Christians. Of course then the Cardinals issue warnings to Italian women about the dangers of marrying Muslims, put two and two together there guys, but at any rate if they have received a “dispenstation” it is permitted.

Reason 1,009,987 why I’m Orthodox…

I weep for what Rome has become. I love the Mother Church with all my heart, but a “Smaller, purer Church” sounds better and better every day.

 

[Hellisreal]

I’m honestly thinking about converting…

Honesty is a good thing.

If you think the EO are spotless, think again.
If you are looking for a Church that has no sinners in it,

You will look all your life long for one.

If you are looking for the Church Christ Died to give us, look no further.

The door is always open for you to return should you change your mind.

But, feeling the way you do, it just would not be honest to not discuss this with your spiritual director or Father confessor,

And forums can only do so much. We can vent here, speculate here, pray and support others, and so much more.

But, what you are suggesting, is far beyond this.

Please pray about this.

Forever is a long time.

 

[Sixtus]

So far as I am aware, any one of any denomination creed or ideialogy can marry a Catholic in a Catholic Church

 

[CCM08]

What warning do they give italian girls about marrying Muslims?

washingtontimes.com/world/20040515-121620-3934r.htm

Further a Muslim woman cannot marry a non-Muslim man, period. It is apostacy. Hence the misguided mercy killings we see when some Muslim girls make the grave mistake of wanting to date/court or marry a non-Muslim man.

In Islamic countries this is certainly the case, though technically Muslim women can marry non-Muslims. Obviously she does so at her own risk. The city of Fatima, for example, is named for a Muslim noble girl that fell in love with a Spanish prince, married him and converted to Christianity.

One of my neices married a Muslim. She was a cradle Catholic who was promissed that she did not need to convert. Her family was not allowed at the marriage ceremony… not even her mother and father, because they are catholic and hence infidels. Why she would insult her family this way I have no idea. Learning this I refused to go to the reception/dinner.

Of course over time she has converted to Islam.

That’s how quite a few of them end up. It’s really why the RCC needs to go back to the way things were in the Church from the beginning and offer these people better guidence.

You also didn’t mention that a lot of women “marry” Muslims only to find out later they were only temporary wives (often in Islam these “marriages” are preformed at the same time as the divorce). Obviously that can be very damaging.

 

[BelFarfalla]

washingtontimes.com/world/20040515-121620-3934r.htm.

Thanks.

In Islamic countries this is certainly the case, though technically Muslim women can marry non-Muslims. Obviously she does so at her own risk. The city of Fatima, for example, is named for a Muslim noble girl that fell in love with a Spanish prince, married him and converted to Christianity…

Yes some can get away with it expeically when she marries a prince. I was going by the norm… and by Shari’ah law. The restrictions put on a non-Muslim wife make it so that if she never converts who looses a lot.

That’s how quite a few of them end up. It’s really why the RCC needs to go back to the way things were in the Church from the beginning and offer these people better guidence. .

The Church does need to get better at giving guidance. It’s like they are afraid to stand up for so many things now. Sad…

You also didn’t mention that a lot of women “marry” Muslims only to find out later they were only temporary wives (often in Islam these “marriages” are preformed at the same time as the divorce). Obviously that can be very damaging.

I’ve heard of Muslims doing that and not letting the bride know what is up. Their temporary and short term marriage is a very odd thing indeed.
One thing that most westerners don’t know is that a Muslim marriage is really all about signing the contract… the parents negotiate it. Just about all Muslim brides from educated families negotiate their own marriage contracts. But most western brides do not know about this and end up signing a marital contract that gives them no rights at all.
One Muslim woman I know has a 36 page marriage contract. They are from a very wealthy family in Tunisia and were educated from elementary school in Europe and the USA. so they are very progressive. Obviously her father drove a hard bargain… an example is that the contract states that if he marries another wife, her marriage to him automatically ends in a divorce, she gets custody of any children and 100% of her husbands assets. Part of the contract was an affidavit that has given her complete rights to travel anytime she wants. (I Muslim countries a woman cannot travel with out her husbands permission and she needs a male escort how is either her husband or an approved family member.) this contract overrides all of that. It is so obvious that the bride did not negotiate this thing because I’m sure she would not have looked out for her own good as well.
I had contracted some Muslim women’s organizations who sent me information on how to write a marriage contract so that my niece was protected. She would not hear of it because ‘we love each other too much to need that’. So she’s married under the basic Islamic marriage contract. This means that on any visit back to his home country, he could order her to not leave the house and not travel. She would basically be unable to return to the USA because the local government will back him up.
I’ve noticed that in the last two years she has not taken the biannual trips to his country. Instead she has stayed here and kept one of their children with her. We’ll see where this goes.

 

[Geocacher]

I was baptised **Presbyterian, **before I was mormon, but never remember having a baptismal certificate from that church, or the congregational church either, then I was baptised Mormon after that. Congregational church at 8 years old, Presbyterian at about 9 years old ,then Mormon at 11 years old, but I remember receiving the Holy Spirit at age of 8 or so, but not when I was baptised Mormon at age 11. I was baptised into the RLDS church some years ago. Whats messed me up is that I have the Baptismal Certificate for the LDS church, but not the others.

If I where to marry in the Catholic Church to a Catholic gal, I would probably want to attend RCIA before marrying in the Catholic Church.

I had recently had lost interest the Mormon Church and I am a NOMINAL Mormon now, due to many issues with it

So I think that RCIA is helpfull before the Marrage is to take place, for the non-christian, but sometimes a Marrige can’t wait until RCIA is over.

 

[tundramom]

I know that the Church teaches us not to marry outside the Faith. I wholeheartedly believe that.

BUT!!!

I am grateful that my hubby married me although I was Mormon at the time. He is a lifelong Catholic and I knew absolutely NOTHING but Mormonism. By his example, and by the yearning for the Eucharist, I made my journey out of Mormonism, into Christianity and finally Home to the Catholic Church. It was almost 7 years into our marriage.

We were married first by a judge at a park in Utah. I had waited 9 months for an annulment through the Catholic church since I had been married to a Mormon beforehand. It didn’t come through in time and so we married. My husband wasn’t able to take communion, of course, for a year following our marriage. We were finally married by a Priest a year later. I watched his yearning for the Eucharist which piqued my own interest in WHY he couldn’t take it and why I couldn’t either until I had become Catholic.

Yes, a Mormon can marry a Catholic in the Catholic church. But She is wise in not encouraging it. Thankfully, God had His hand on my life and we are now living in harmony with God in the middle of our family and our marriage. Mine is a perfect story. Thank you Jesus!!

in Christ
Steph

 

[Allweather]

A lot of people carp about Catholic marriage rules, especially the requirements to annul marriages engaged prior to conversion. This hung me up back in 1986 because I had a teenage marriage that fell apart while I was in Vietnam in 1969. I was really, really upset about this requirement, and all my fundamentalist friends were telling me, see? This conversion to Catholicism is INSANE!! Well, I stuck it out, and looking back I can see so many healing things that were caused by the annulment. Right now I am seeing a best friend get an annulment of a marriage that fell apart 30 years ago. This person says that she has almost never remembered any dream during sleep, and has felt that she doesn’t dream. Now, all of a sudden, since starting the annulment, and having many old wounds uncovered and open to air, she is dreaming like crazy. God’s Church is perfect. Her teachings are perfect. Though difficult and inscrutable at times, they are nevertheless perfect, because they are instituted for our good by THE perfect God.

 

[tundramom]

AMEN Allweather!

I agree that I had a great healing while going through the annulment process. It taught me how much God wants to be part of our marriages and that to truly have a wonderful marriage, God has to be in the center of it.

in Christ
Steph

 

[Publisher]

I hate to say this, but this is not acceptable to the Orthodox Church. Attending services in a heterodox church is unacceptable, in this case would mean automatic excommunication for the Orthodox spouse and I’m not sure how the Catholics would handle this. Having your children baptized by the heterodox is another serious sin and would again be an automatic excommuncation. Orthodox parents are under full obligation to raise their children in the Church, no expections ever. You could marry a Roman Catholic in the Orthodox Church as the RC baptism is acceptable. However, an Orthodox Christian is required to attend Othordox services and raise their children in the Church. So this isn’t a compromise, as far as the Orthodox Church is concerned this person has left the Church. He would have to cease these practices, confess these serious sins, and perform the required pentence (probably a number of years of excommunication) and only then could he receive the Eucharst in the Church.

Evidently the prohibitions of the RCC or the ROC doesn’t effect them much. I was invited to attend a Christmas service at the ROC, but standing for an hour and a half didn’t thrill me.

But it works for them and they’re contented with the arrangement.

 

[BlestOne]

If you want to see something truly a spectacle… try a Mormon/Jewish wedding. Picture this: Mormon mom has to be carried out of temple kicking and screaming because she lost it during “Sunrise, Sunset.” The wedding at the Jewish Temple because non Mormons cannot enter into the part of the building where the couple would be married in… since the groom and his family wishing to be at the wedding… The bride allowed the wedding in the Jewish Temple. At the entrance were white yahmicas for the women and black for the men… I had never heard of women wearing them, but then I guess they didn’t want to have veils for the women due to expense. The reception was a hoot too… all the non-Mormons got totally trashed… and the Mormons had hardly anything to drink because most of the drinks had either alcohol or caffeine in them. It was the wedding of the century around my work place!

The above is all true… I was 16 and had just started work as a junior programmer when 2 of our senior programmers got married to each other.

 

[CCM08]

Evidently the prohibitions of the RCC or the ROC doesn’t effect them much. I was invited to attend a Christmas service at the ROC, but standing for an hour and a half didn’t thrill me.

But it works for them and they’re contented with the arrangement.

Then obviously they are very nominal, so again it’s not a case of a mixed marriage of practicing members but a mixed marriage of nominal followers that aren’t concerned with the religious beliefs they claim to follow. As the Eucharst is the center of the life of the Orthodox Church excommunication from the Eucharst should be a state that no Orthodox Christian would want to be in. As such it’s just a matter of no faith being there.

 

[Publisher]

Then obviously they are very nominal, so again it’s not a case of a mixed marriage of practicing members but a mixed marriage of nominal followers that aren’t concerned with the religious beliefs they claim to follow. As the Eucharst is the center of the life of the Orthodox Church excommunication from the Eucharst should be a state that no Orthodox Christian would want to be in. As such it’s just a matter of no faith being there.

I’m not able to look into their hearts to see if truly it’s simply a “matter of no faith being there”, I can only see their faith by the quality of their lives and the discussions we’ve had concerning the things of God as we understand them to be…I am impressed that your faith provides you with the ability of viewing the “window of the soul”.

 

[CCM08]

I’m not able to look into their hearts to see if truly it’s simply a “matter of no faith being there”, I can only see their faith by the quality of their lives and the discussions we’ve had concerning the things of God as we understand them to be…I am impressed that your faith provides you with the ability of viewing the “window of the soul”.

Are you mentally defective and lack powers of basic reason then? Does a man that actually believes the Orthodox Church is correct chose a comfortable marriage when it could cost him soul? You aren’t describing a member of the Church, you are describing a marriage of a lapsed Orthodox Christian and a lapsed Roman Catholic attending a protestant church for convience. As such it is a simple thing to see, he values the things of this world over the Church. We should be ready to die before separating ourselves from communion. So there is only one logical conclusion, whatever faith he has it is not that of Orthodox Christians. Your anecdote is simply invalid as no one as claimed that mixed marriages between lapsed followers of a religion would be problematic. Their choice of Anglicanism is also not insignficant, the church that never met a heresy it didn’t like. So why not just characterize the marriage for what it is, a former Orthodox and a former Catholic that became members of the Anglican church for personal convience?

 

[Publisher]

Are you mentally defective and lack powers of basic reason then? Does a man that actually believes the Orthodox Church is correct chose a comfortable marriage when it could cost him soul? You aren’t describing a member of the Church, you are describing a marriage of a lapsed Orthodox Christian and a lapsed Roman Catholic attending a protestant church for convience. As such it is a simple thing to see, he values the things of this world over the Church. We should be ready to die before separating ourselves from communion. So there is only one logical conclusion, whatever faith he has it is not that of Orthodox Christians. Your anecdote is simply invalid as no one as claimed that mixed marriages between lapsed followers of a religion would be problematic. Their choice of Anglicanism is also not insignficant, the church that never met a heresy it didn’t like. So why not just characterize the marriage for what it is, a former Orthodox and a former Catholic that became members of the Anglican church for personal convience?

I didn’t know that he valued the things “of this world” over Christ…his faith and marriage were strong…his service kind and loving…his words gentle and truthful…he reflected Christ back, even though he and I disagreed on many “doctrinal” issues, but both he and his wife were always "Christ like’…I learned much from them about humility, kindness to strangers, service to Christ…I’m not sure I can “characterize the marriage” for what you describe…from what I could see their marriage was one of mutual love and compassion for one another…they raised a couple of real good kids, one of which I was fortunate to call “friend”.

I went to their house for dinner a number of times and always felt the Spirit of Christ in their lives. They made a choice to be together and share their faith with one another…“convienience”…I don’t think so, they received no small grief from their respective families…but always bore it with kindess and grace…truly Christ like…I should be so lucky to be thought of in those terms…they taught me much about faith.

 

[bluerose]

A Mormon friend’s son is being married in the Catholic Church – he’s a returned missionary and seems to have been active in the LDS Church. Since he is unbaptized, I am surprised he can marry in the Catholic Church. Isn’t he going to have to promise to raise his kids Catholic?

Maybe I’m wrong, but I can’t see how this marriage would be considered valid in the Mormon church. I thought only a “sealed” marriage in the Mormon temple was recognized by the LDS (and can only take place between two Mormons.) To my understanding, if he truly is a Mormon “in good standing”, he can’t marry a non-Mormon in any kind of ceremony.

If I’m wrong, enlighten me, please!