Can a Pope be a heretic?

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Can the Pope be a heretic? Sure - he IS human, after all and just as subject to original sin as the rest of us. However, methinks he’d know because he’s had a little more training…

Is THIS Pope heretical? No. But, at the risk of incurring the wrath of the administrators there are those who do. This is where SSPX and their ilk come from. They think that JP II has committed heresy by accepting Vatican II and thus is not Pope.

Of course, that’s a lot of bull. I don’t support that point. But there are people out there who do.
 
James_2:24:
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Can a Pope be a heretic?

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Yes a pope can be a heretic, but as has been stated the Holy Spirit will guarantee that he does not teach and make binding heretical doctrine. I hope I am remembering this correctly, perhaps someone clarify if I am mistaken, but I believe there was a pope during the Arian heresy who was appointed by the Empress of the Byzantine Emperor with the explicit intent of him teaching the Arian heresy. Oddly enough he died before he was able to do it.
 
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catholicbudgie:
This is where SSPX and their ilk come from. They think that JP II has committed heresy by accepting Vatican II and thus is not Pope.
Not true. SSPX claims they are incompetent to judge the pope. And SSPX accepts him as the pope. The SSPX is not a sedevacantist organization. They accept the authority of the Pope, but disobey him in matters of discipline that seem immoral. – Sincerely, Albert the Traditional Catholic
 
Pope Honorius was in point of fact condemned as a heretic. There is an identical discussion underway on this on another thread
Be that as it may - “THE SUPPOSED FALL OF HONORIUS AND HIS CONDEMNATION” is dealt with here: mwt.net/~lnpalm/honrius1.htm

In colloquial language, another person replied:

“He was denounced by the council as a heretic but the council document was ALTERED by Pope St. Leo II before it was promulgated. No Council document has any force until it is approved by the Pope, and NO COUNCIL CAN JUDGE A POPE (even posthumously) unless the then reigning pontiff sign the decree. Pope Honorius was not found to be a heretic himself, only NEGLIGENT in his duty. The particular wording of the final document approved by Pope Saint Leo II was this ‘he failed to enlighten the world with the apostolic doctrines’.

Therefore was he condemned? Yes
Was he judged by a council. Not exactly.
Was he condemned by another Pope. after his death? Yes.
Was he a heretic? No.
Did he allow heresy to flourish by his negligence? Yes.
Can any Pope ever be a formal heretic? I do not believe so. and I think that that is the judgement of the sounder minds among the Fathers and Doctors. Does it injure either the doctrine of the infallibility of the pope or the indefectibility of the Church if a Pope is a bad pope and allows or is responsible for the spread of heresy ? No it does not.”
 
Sean O L:
In colloquial language, another person replied:

“He was denounced by the council as a heretic but the council document was ALTERED by Pope St. Leo II before it was promulgated. No Council document has any force until it is approved by the Pope, and NO COUNCIL CAN JUDGE A POPE (even posthumously) unless the then reigning pontiff sign the decree. Pope Honorius was not found to be a heretic himself, only NEGLIGENT in his duty. The particular wording of the final document approved by Pope Saint Leo II was this ‘he failed to enlighten the world with the apostolic doctrines’.
Someone was not given you the full quote! Pope Saint Leo’s condemnation was much stronger…

**“profana proditione immaculatem fidem subvertare conatus est.” **

“…also Honorius, who did not illuminate the Apostolic See with the doctrines of the Apostolic tradition, but by profane prodition attempted to subvert the immaculate faith; and all, who died in his error…”

See the thread Honorius and Infallibility

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=15826
  1. His condemnation is found in the Acts of the 13th Session of the 6th Ecumenical Council.
  2. His two letters were ordered to be burned at the same Session.
  3. In the 17th session of the 6th Ecumenical Council, the Council Fathers proclaimed:
“Anathema to the heretic Sergius, to the heretic Cyrus, to the heretic Honorius, etc.”
  1. In the decree of faith published at the17thSession it is stated that “the originator of all evil the Devil… found a fit tool for his will in … Honorius, Pope of Old Rome, etc.”
  2. The report of the Council to the Emperor says that “Honorius,
    formerly bishop of Rome” they had “punished with exclusion and
    anathema” because he followed the monothelites.
  3. In its letter to Pope Agatho the Council says it “has slain Honorius with an anathema”
  4. The imperial decree speaks of the “unholy priests who
    infected the Church and falsely governed” and mentions among them
    “Honorius, the Pope of Old Rome, the confirmer of heresy who
    contradicted himself.”
The Emperor goes on to anathematize “Honorius who was Pope of Old Rome, who in everything agreed with them, went with them, and strengthened the heresy.”
  1. Pope Leo II. confirmed the decrees of the Council and expressly says that he too anathematized Honorius.(1)
  2. That Honorius was anathematized by the Sixth Council is
    mentioned in the Trullan Canons (No. I).
  3. So too the Seventh Council declares its adhesion to the
    anathema in its decree of faith, and in several places in the acts
    the same is said.
  4. Honorius’s name was found in the Roman copy of the Acts. This is evident from Anastasius’s life of Leo II. (Vita Leonis II.)
  5. The Papal Oath as found in the Liber Diurnus(2) taken by
    each new Pope from the fifth to the eleventh century, in the form
    probably prescribed by Gregory II:
“smites with eternal anathema the originators of the new heresy, Sergius, together with Honorius because he assisted the base assertion of the heretics.”
  1. In the lesson for the feast of St. Leo II. in the Roman Breviary the name of Pope Honorius occurs among those excommunicated by the Sixth Synod.
With such an array of proof no conservative historian, it would seem, can question the fact that Honorius, the Pope of Rome, was condemned and anathematized as a heretic by the Sixth Ecumenical Council and that the Popes after him used their infallibility to uphold the decision against him.
 
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With such an array of proof no conservative historian, it would seem, can question the fact that Honorius, the Pope of Rome, was condemned and anathematized as a heretic by the Sixth Ecumenical Council and that the Popes after him used their infallibility to uphold the decision against him.

Are we sure then that he burns in hell?
 
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rwoehmke:
Are we sure then that he burns in hell?
As far as I know there is only one heretic whom the Church has said burns in hell- and that is Arius.
 
Perhaps a better question would be to ask, “Can a papal encyclical, addressed to the body of all believers, be heretical?”

I understand that part of the identification of True teaching is who it is addressed to. If it is a letter to a single person, or and isolated group, it is not to be taken as infallible - though it may contain truths that are already known to be infallible.

Thus when the Pope admonishes the U.S. against a war with Iraq, he is not making infallible doctrine. He is a wise man, and his opinions should not be taken lightly, but Catholics in the U.S. are not separating themselves from the Church if they believe this is a just war.
 
A heretic is one who coherently denies a teaching of the Catholic Church. Whenever the Pope teaches in faith and moral issues he can’t error in the faith. Padre Pio “Don’t worry, work and pray.”
 
The Church has never declared anyone to be in Hell; not even Arius.

Secondly, Father Ambrose, Papal Infallibility does not extend to the disciplinary action of an excommunication. Excommunications (and anathemas) can be rescinded, if further evidence indicates that the excommunicant was never really guilty of heresy to begin with.

Regarding Honorius, the Greek Saint Maximus the Confessor defended him against the charge of heresy, stating that his fault was one of negligence.

And subsequent Ecumenical Councils and Fathers affirmed the fact that Rome had never lost the orthodox faith.
 
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DominvsVobiscvm:
The Church has never declared anyone to be in Hell; not even Arius.
“You were born from the womb before the morning star, without a mother from the Father before the ages, though Arius dares to call you a creature, and does not glorify you as God, insanely joining you, the Creator, with the creatures, and laying up for himself as treasure the fuel of the eternal fire. But the Council in Nicea loudly proclaimed you, Lord, to be Son of God, equal in rank with the Father and the Spirit”

Vespers for the Sunday of the 318 Godbearing Fathers of Nicaea.
(Verse on Lord I have Cried)
 
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DominvsVobiscvm:
With the language in the scripture and Jesus saying that he’s probably better not being born, it really left little to the imagination. He’s most likely in hell.
 
Saying “it would have been better to not have been born” in no way implis that someone is in Hell. People make comments like this all the time, in hyperbole.
 
“You were born from the womb before the morning star, without a mother from the Father before the ages, though Arius dares to call you a creature, and does not glorify you as God, insanely joining you, the Creator, with the creatures, and laying up for himself as treasure the fuel of the eternal fire. But the Council in Nicea loudly proclaimed you, Lord, to be Son of God, equal in rank with the Father and the Spirit”
Vespers for the Sunday of the 318 Godbearing Fathers of Nicaea.
(Verse on Lord I have Cried)
Just as a just man can store up treasure in heaven, and then die in a state of sin, and go to Hell; so a sinner can build for himself “treasure in Hell” and then, by the grace of God, repent and be joined to the Saints.
 
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