Can a Roman Catholic use Orthodox crosses?

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As a devoted Catholic, I only wear crosses devoted to my faith,and medals around my neck, no other things from another religion shall I bear,and if you are truly Catholic,than the answer should be No.
The first Commandment saids:

I,am the Lord your God:you shall not have strange gods before me.

So again, if you are a true Catholic,we don,t wear things not of our Faith :harp:
So are you accusing us Byzantine Catholics of NOT being part of the church?
Because that’s the way your answer reads.

I’m Catholic, and Byzantine. There is no difference between the icons and crosses we Byzantine Catholics use and those of the Orthodox. The only differences are minor ones in the liturgy, and that we accept the Papacy and the post great schism dogmas.
 
So are you accusing us Byzantine Catholics of NOT being part of the church?
Because that’s the way your answer reads.

I’m Catholic, and Byzantine. There is no difference between the icons and crosses we Byzantine Catholics use and those of the Orthodox. The only differences are minor ones in the liturgy, and that we accept the Papacy and the post great schism dogmas.
No worries Aramis! He already explained that he was confused and apologized! 🙂
 
I personally like the Russian Orthodox Cross:


(It’s Eastern at least?)
 
Thank you Discerning for starting this thread 🙂 I’ve always wondered if anyone at my Roman Catholic parish ever noticed or were put off by my 3 barred cross. Have you seen the Orthodox Cross with a skull depicted at the base of it? That one’s really neat.
 
Thank you Discerning for starting this thread 🙂 I’ve always wondered if anyone at my Roman Catholic parish ever noticed or were put off by my 3 barred cross. Have you seen the Orthodox Cross with a skull depicted at the base of it? That one’s really neat.
Not to be a stickler (I try and fail) but that’s not an “Orthodox” Cross, rather that’s an Eastern tradition to depict the cross with the skull of Adam underneath it. I just think it’s pretty to make the distinction so people do not think, for instance, that a cross is more or less Catholic-applicable.
 
Not to be a stickler (I try and fail) but that’s not an “Orthodox” Cross, rather that’s an Eastern tradition to depict the cross with the skull of Adam underneath it. I just think it’s pretty to make the distinction so people do not think, for instance, that a cross is more or less Catholic-applicable.
This cross synaxis.info/old-rite/images/cross_lg.jpg ?? Not of the Orthodox Church? Does the Russian Orthodox church not count?
 
It’s not a cross of course but I have something similar to this on my shelf. I never gave it much thought and since we also believe that Christ is Risen I doubt there’s anything wrong with it. I like it because it’s obscure to most Americans.

http://www.saintprincevladimir.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/DSC_0284-150x150.jpg
Being Byzantine is now hipster cool because it’s obscure.
:takeoff:

I’m going to have to promote a new identity. Byzantine before it was cool. 😃
 
As a devoted Catholic, I only wear crosses devoted to my faith,and medals around my neck, no other things from another religion shall I bear,and if you are truly Catholic,than the answer should be No.
The first Commandment saids:

I,am the Lord your God:you shall not have strange gods before me.

So again, if you are a true Catholic,we don,t wear things not of our Faith :harp:
You need to understand Church history better. We are currently working on reunification with the Eastern Rite Church. We already recognize their sacraments. This has nothing to with the first commandment.
Strange gods are those things that lead you away from God, Other division of the Christian faith that recognize the same God is not the same as false gods.

Deacon Frank
 
You need to understand Church history better. We are currently working on reunification with the Eastern Rite Church. We already recognize their sacraments. This has nothing to with the first commandment.
Strange gods are those things that lead you away from God, Other division of the Christian faith that recognize the same God is not the same as false gods.

Deacon Frank
To make sure no one is confused by the terminology, we already have full communion with the “Eastern rite Churches,” AKA Eastern and Oriental Catholic Churches. These churches use an Eastern rite like Byzantine, Coptic, Syriac, and so on AND they share full and unquestionable communion with Rome.

Most Eastern Catholic Churches were once Orthodox and they chose to leave the Orthodox communion and to join the Catholic communion. When they did that, they brought their hierarchy, theology, spirituality, liturgy, and so on with them so that the only thing that changed was who they intercommuned with. These people are fully Catholic and are in the same communion as the Pope of Rome.

We’re working and praying for full communion with the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox as well. Catholics recognize the fullness of truth and the validity of the sacraments in the Orthodox Churches, saying the only thing lacking is Christian unity. Some modern converts and Orthodox theologians say that Orthodoxy’s teachings are different from Rome’s teachings on important points, but Rome rejects those understandings of Orthodoxy and believes that a true and honest look at Orthodox theology shows that it is not inconsistent with Roman theology.

There are some legitimate points of concern and discussion between the Orthodox Churches and Rome, most of which revolve around the topic of jurisdiction and church governance.

Eastern Catholic = Catholic. In full communion with Rome.
Eastern Orthodox = Orthodox. Don’t share communion with Rome.

Both the Eastern Catholics (or Eastern rites as they’re sometimes called) and the Eastern Orthodox use the Byzantine cross. Both the Oriental Catholics and the Oriental Orthodox use the Coptic, Syrian, etc crosses.

The cross being discussed isn’t Orthodox, it is Byzantine.
Byzantine is also Catholic.
It’s fine for Catholics to be nourished by the traditions of the East, which are preserved by both the Eastern Catholic and the Eastern Orthodox Churches.
Since, in fact, we believe that the venerable and ancient tradition of the Eastern Churches is an integral part of the heritage of Christ’s Church, the first need for Catholics is to be familiar with that tradition, so as to be nourished by it and to encourage the process of unity in the best way possible for each.
Our Eastern Catholic brothers and sisters are very conscious of being the living bearers of this tradition, together with our Orthodox brothers and sisters. The members of the Catholic Church of the Latin tradition must also be fully acquainted with this treasure and thus feel, with the Pope, a passionate longing that the full manifestation of the Church’s catholicity be restored to the Church and to the world, expressed not by a single tradition, and still less by one community in opposition to the other; and that we too may be granted a full taste of the divinely revealed and undivided heritage of the universal Church which is preserved and grows in the life of the Churches of the East as in those of the West.
Apostolic Letter
Orientale Lumen
of the Supreme Pontiff
John Paul II
To the Bishops, Clergy and Faithful
To Mark the Centenary
of Orientalium Dignitas
of Pope Leo XIII
 
To make sure no one is confused by the terminology, we already have full communion with the “Eastern rite Churches,” AKA Eastern and Oriental Catholic Churches. These churches use an Eastern rite like Byzantine, Coptic, Syriac, and so on AND they share full and unquestionable communion with Rome.

Most Eastern Catholic Churches were once Orthodox and they chose to leave the Orthodox communion and to join the Catholic communion. When they did that, they brought their hierarchy, theology, spirituality, liturgy, and so on with them so that the only thing that changed was who they intercommuned with. These people are fully Catholic and are in the same communion as the Pope of Rome.

We’re working and praying for full communion with the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox as well. Catholics recognize the fullness of truth and the validity of the sacraments in the Orthodox Churches, saying the only thing lacking is Christian unity. Some modern converts and Orthodox theologians say that Orthodoxy’s teachings are different from Rome’s teachings on important points, but Rome rejects those understandings of Orthodoxy and believes that a true and honest look at Orthodox theology shows that it is not inconsistent with Roman theology.

There are some legitimate points of concern and discussion between the Orthodox Churches and Rome, most of which revolve around the topic of jurisdiction and church governance.

Eastern Catholic = Catholic. In full communion with Rome.
Eastern Orthodox = Orthodox. Don’t share communion with Rome.

Both the Eastern Catholics (or Eastern rites as they’re sometimes called) and the Eastern Orthodox use the Byzantine cross. Both the Oriental Catholics and the Oriental Orthodox use the Coptic, Syrian, etc crosses.

The cross being discussed isn’t Orthodox, it is Byzantine.
Byzantine is also Catholic.
It’s fine for Catholics to be nourished by the traditions of the East, which are preserved by both the Eastern Catholic and the Eastern Orthodox Churches.
To be clear, I know the difference and was speaking of the Eastern Orthodox which we are in conversation with for reunification.
 
To be clear, I know the difference and was speaking of the Eastern Orthodox which we are in conversation with for reunification.
I try not to be [too] nit-picky … but I don’t care much for calling the Orthodox “the Eastern Rite Church”. Some Catholics are Western, some are Eastern. Some Orthodox are Western, some are Eastern.
 
I think the point is that the “Russian Cross” is not exclusive to the Russian Orthodox Church. It is used in all churches, Catholic and Orthodox, of the Slavic tradition. I wear one myself. 🙂 This one, in fact:

http://www.gallerybyzantium.com/images/EB1309.jpg
I hate to say this,but that design of that cross,inside of the regular design one,I haven,t never seen one worn by any Catholic older people,or have I seen them sold in catholic stores, real,the truth is,that no matter what design the cross might be,we should wear them with devotion,for our Lord suffer and die on one,so we could be saved.
 
I hate to say this,but that design of that cross,inside of the regular design one,I haven,t never seen one worn by any Catholic older people,or have I seen them sold in catholic stores, real,the truth is,that no matter what design the cross might be,we should wear them with devotion,for our Lord suffer and die on one,so we could be saved.
You haven’t looked in the right places.

Especially Byzantine Catholic parishes.
 
So I’m confused; my soteriology might be a bit rusty but did Orthodox Jesus die on a different Orthodox cross than Catholic Jesus? :confused:

😃
No, but if you have two crosses, one Catholic and the other Orthodox, then they aren’t in full communion with each other.
 
You haven’t looked in the right places.

Especially Byzantine Catholic parishes.
Well, why would I,because I,am Roman Catholic,I don,t go into other parishes and besides ,Jesus die on a regular wooden cross,people are making designs of differtant crosss.
 
No, but if you have two crosses, one Catholic and the other Orthodox, then they aren’t in full communion with each other.
To me ,Jesus being a Jew,and from what we been told threw time,Jesus die on a plan wooden cross,the design of crosses,people are the one that are making different designs,why can,t people stop making a big issue about the design of the cross,It seems that we are always talking about the Byzantine design crosses.What is Important is that,Jesus suffer on a Cross for us all,if we Love Jesus and want to follow him,lets stop having difference about the design of the cross,and focus the Love of Jesus…
 
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