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Claire_from_DE
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Jesus taught his followers to call God our Father. He called God his father. I’ve been told that muslims get very angry to hear us call God father. Is this true? If so, why?
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FaithofAbraham
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If it just meant a spiritual child of God, that would be ok, but they’ve been brainwashed to think Child/Son of God = Demigod so it is taboo.
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LDNCatholic
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Never heard of Demigods in Christianity. Care to elaborate?
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FaithofAbraham
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Most Muslims have an overlord not a loving Father. Most Jews have no Messiah. In a big way because fully God/fully Man is translated as demigod of Gentile mythology to everyone other than Christians.
If Christians taught that God dwelled in a man and he became God’s Word on earth same way Moses was, the world might be a different place, but they don’t, Christians want the man to literally also be God with an additional Father God. And that’s not accepted as monotheism by Muslims and Jews, but polytheism.
So that’s how it is.
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Claire_from_DE
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Do Jews (or Muslims?) believe God dwelt in Moses? Like God’s spirit was with him or how? Was this singular to Moses or was it the same with some of the prophets in their view?Most Muslims have an overlord not a loving Father. Most Jews have no Messiah. In a big way because fully God/fully Man is translated as demigod of Gentile mythology to everyone other than Christians.
If Christians taught that God dwelled in a man and he became God’s Word on earth same way Moses was, the world might be a different place, but they don’t, Christians want the man to literally also be God with an additional Father God. And that’s not accepted as monotheism by Muslims and Jews, but polytheism.
So that’s how it is.
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Claire_from_DE
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Do they think we are saying we are demigods?
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Alexius
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In Islamic theology, Allah is not a Father. He may be described by His attributes (some are fatherly in nature), but the title of “Father” is not one. Humans are servants/slaves and are rewarded as a servant is rewarded.
Prayers and petitions,
Alexius
Prayers and petitions,
Alexius
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FaithofAbraham
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With all the prophets, God simply dwelled in them and they spoke with God’s Word and authority. Most notably Moses, God said that Moses would be instead of God giving prophecy to Aaron, and Aaron would be like a prophet to relay God’s Word to the people.
Exodus 4:15 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do.
Exodus 4:16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God.
So to put it that way still leaves God as God, and man as man, but the man still has the authority of God so it isn’t robbing him of any respect or obedience. And it doesn’t rob God of His sole glory as God.
But in a different time, Exodus could easily be misread to mean that Moses really turned into God. So Muslims like me think that’s what happened with Jesus and that Jesus is really more like Moses, not literally God.
And as one who loves God, it makes him a Child/Son of God too, but not a demigod.
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FaithofAbraham
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No, but when “Father” is mentioned it goes right into the tunnel vision of perceiving a demigod and they stay away from it.
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Special_Ed
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Can Allah be called Father?
No. Allah means destroyer.
From Strong’s…
Abaddon= destroying one of Rev.9
Abaddon = **“destruction”**1) ruin
2) destruction
3) the place of destruction
4) the name of the angel-prince of the infernal regions, the minister of death and the author of havoc on the earth **
Apollyon = “Destroyer”**1) the angel of the bottomless pit, the Destroyer
Allah and Saddam both mean destroyer/destruction.
Islam means submission or surrender.
So a suicide bomber is in submission to Allah the destroyer. Sound familiar?
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No. Allah means destroyer.
From Strong’s…
Abaddon= destroying one of Rev.9
Abaddon = **“destruction”**1) ruin
2) destruction
3) the place of destruction
4) the name of the angel-prince of the infernal regions, the minister of death and the author of havoc on the earth **
Apollyon = “Destroyer”**1) the angel of the bottomless pit, the Destroyer
Allah and Saddam both mean destroyer/destruction.
Islam means submission or surrender.
So a suicide bomber is in submission to Allah the destroyer. Sound familiar?
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FaithofAbraham
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Allah derives from Al Ilah meaning “The God” related to Hebrew Eloh and Elohim.
However God does a lot of destroying in the OT and in Revelation.
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paarsurrey
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HiIn Islamic theology, Allah is not a Father. He may be described by His attributes (some are fatherly in nature), but the title of “Father” is not one. Humans are servants/slaves and are rewarded as a servant is rewarded.
Prayers and petitions,
Alexius
Islam is a very sensible religion. I quote from Quran:
[2:198] The months of the Pilgrimage are well known; so whoever determines to perform the Pilgrimage in these months should remember that there is to be no foul talk, nor any transgression, nor any quarrelling during the Pilgrimage. And whatever good you do, Allah knows it. And furnish yourselves with necessary provisions for your journey and surely, the best provision is righteousness. And fear Me alone, O men of understanding.
[2:199] It is no sin for you that you seek the bounty of your Lord. But when you pour forth from Arafat, remember Allah at Mash’ar al-Haram, and remember Him as He has guided you; although, before this, you were of those gone astray.
[2:200] Then pour forth from where the people pour forth, and seek forgiveness from Allah; surely, Allah is most forgiving, Merciful.
[2:201] And when you have performed the acts of worship prescribed for you, celebrate the praises of Allah as you used to celebrate the praises of your fathers, or with even greater devotion. And of men there are some who say, ‘Our Lord grant us good things in this world;’ and such a one shall have no share in the hereafter.
www3.alislam.org/showChapter.jsp?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=2&verse=196
The word Father we see had been used in OTBible to describe love of GodAllahYHWH for the Jews, and they at least did not misunderstand this allegory given by the scribes, but our Catholic friends have derived a very far-stretched meaning from it, in my opinion, which are not there. One could ask for witness of the Jews in this connection, if one is in doubt. The Jews use the same OTBible and are not mislead by this figure of speech.
**Quran as a Guardian of Revealed Scriptures **has pointed out the mistake; it commands to remember GodAllahYHWH as one loves one’s father but has not used such words that one could make the mistake of our Catholics friends, in my opinion.
This is what I could understand, others are free to differ with me.
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inJESUS
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Isa216
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Calling God Daddy
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Selene
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Hello FaithofAbraham,
Actually, pagan mythology believes in halfgod and *half *man, which is different from Christianity. We believe that Jesus was true God and true man. He was not half of this and half of that.
The Holy Trinity is one of the most difficult concept to explain. The best way I can explain it is to use the element of “water.” Water in liquid form, solid form, and vapor form have exactly the same composition. All three, regardless of what form they are in, consist of two atoms of hydrogen and one atom of oxygen. In the same way, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit also have the exact same composition (nature). They are exactly the same.If Christians taught that God dwelled in a man and he became God’s Word on earth same way Moses was, the world might be a different place, but they don’t, Christians want the man to literally also be God with an additional Father God. And that’s not accepted as monotheism by Muslims and Jews, but polytheism.
So that’s how it is.
However, liquid water, ice, and water vapor are also distinctly different not only in form but in density. Ice, for example, has a lighter density than liquid water, which explains why ice floats in liquid water. Water vapor has an even lighter densities. In the same way, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are also distinctly different. So, here you have an element that exists in three different forms in which all three are exactly the same and yet distinctly different at the same time just like the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And what amazing element it is - Water, an element that symbolizes both our baptism and rebirth.
We believe God to be three persons in one. He is one single God, but He is also plural. And that is why in the Old Testament and in your Qur’an, God speaks of Himself in the PLURAL tense. In the Old Testament, God refers to Himself as “WE” or “US.” Your Qur’an does the same thing. How do you explain Allah calling himself in the plural tense?
Sura 2:35 And We said: O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the garden and eat from it a plenteous (food) wherever you wish and do not approach this tree, for then you will be of the unjust.
Sura 2.49-50 And when We delivered you from Firon’s people, who subjected you to severe torment, killing your sons and sparing your women, and in this there was a great trial from your Lord. And when Weparted the sea for you, so We saved you and drowned the followers of Firon and you watched by.
Sura 2:53 And when We gave Musa the Book and the distinction that you might walk aright
As you can see, even in your Qur’an Allah who says He is only one God refers to himself as “WE” instead of “I,” making himself plural instead of only one.
Christians did not create a story about God coming down in the form of man. God is love and He came down Himself because He loves us and He knows that mankind in their finite nature could never understand Him or know Him. No human being on this earth can try to understand a Supreme Being that is infinite and eternal. Why? Because we are finite creatures. Finite creatures cannot begin to understand something that is infinite and eternal in nature, and God knows that very well. Our God came down to meet us so that we can know Him. That is the only way to know God. To know Him is through His Son Jesus Christ. Allah, on the other hand, expects man (who is weak and finite) to understand him? Now, how can a supreme spiritual and eternal being like Allah expect man who is weak and mortal in nature to understand him?
Also, the Jews of the Old Testament recognize God as “Father”; therefore, the Christians did not create an additional Father.
Psalms 68:5 Father of orphans, defender of widows, such is God in His holy dwelling;
Psalms 89:26 He will invoke me, “My Father, my God and rock of my safety.”
Malachi 2:22 Have we not all one Father? Did not one God create us? Why, then do we break faith with one another, profaning the covenant of our ancestors?
Best regards,
Selene
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hamba2han
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This point cannot be stressed often enough:
If you find that you are spending an inordinate amount of time explaining the fundamentals of your faith… and you are still being asked the same questions over and over again, then this really is a sign that something is not quite right about your beliefs.
Never forget that God is NOT the author of confusion.
If you find that you are spending an inordinate amount of time explaining the fundamentals of your faith… and you are still being asked the same questions over and over again, then this really is a sign that something is not quite right about your beliefs.
Never forget that God is NOT the author of confusion.
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Kadaveri
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Please don’t post nonsense. *Allah *does not mean destroyer and has nothing to do with Apollyon. Allah is a conjunction of the Arabic words *Al *(the/definite article) and *ilah *(god); etymologically related to and having the same meaning as the Hebrew *Eloah * and the Aramaic Alaha
And Saddam (not that I see how bringing up him is in any way relevant) does not mean ‘destroyer/destruction’, it means ‘one who confronts’.
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Special_Ed
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Kadaveri,
Maybe the Catholic encyclopedia doesn’t say that but…
Allah has been called destroyer since the time of Muhammed, who use to destroy idols in the name of Allah.
Many verses in the koran make it clear that Allah as a creator, preserver, and destroyer.
There are actually 99 names for Allah. This is # 62,
This is what muslim suicide bombers yell, just before killing innocent bystanders on a crowded street.
Allah and Ackbar are the twin gods of chaos, death, and destruction. Together Allah (the great deceiver) and Ackbar (the great destroyer) have created the region of corruption, sorrow, and despair we now know as the middle east. Militants pay homage to this demonic duo and receive blessings by committing acts of murder and suicide. Death, no matter the source, feeds the wicked pair!
allah ackbar, - it means “greatly” in arabic.
greatly devil - Ackbar Shy-Tan
In Isaiah 33:1, destroyer is another name and attribute given to the devil.
In the end, this nonsense just may make more sense than you think…
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Maybe the Catholic encyclopedia doesn’t say that but…
Allah has been called destroyer since the time of Muhammed, who use to destroy idols in the name of Allah.
Many verses in the koran make it clear that Allah as a creator, preserver, and destroyer.
There are actually 99 names for Allah. This is # 62,
- Al-Mumit
The Bringer of Death**, the Destroyer**
This is what muslim suicide bombers yell, just before killing innocent bystanders on a crowded street.
Allah and Ackbar are the twin gods of chaos, death, and destruction. Together Allah (the great deceiver) and Ackbar (the great destroyer) have created the region of corruption, sorrow, and despair we now know as the middle east. Militants pay homage to this demonic duo and receive blessings by committing acts of murder and suicide. Death, no matter the source, feeds the wicked pair!
allah ackbar, - it means “greatly” in arabic.
greatly devil - Ackbar Shy-Tan
In Isaiah 33:1, destroyer is another name and attribute given to the devil.
In the end, this nonsense just may make more sense than you think…
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FaithofAbraham
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That still makes for (insert term) God and (insert term) man, which is a demigod in all practical terms.
In Jewish thought God creates humans and then speaks through them as prophets. But God is still just God, and man is still just man, one does not turn into the other.
Christianity has a largely Gentile influence and so has shaped Jesus to that perspective from past mythologies, instead making God to be a man and a God. And then treating the Father differently so there is one pure God over here, then a demigod Jesus over there. Which is polytheism to us.
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