Can Allah be called Father?

[FaithofAbraham]

FaithofAbraham, this verse doesn’t even say that Moses would be God. The Catholics do not take verses from the Scripture out of context. This is what the Scripture says: (taken from the New American Bible).

Exodus 4:15-16 …I will assist both you and him in speaking and will teach the two of you what you are to do. He shall speak to the people for you: he shall be yours spokesman and you shall be as God to him.

The Catholics understood this to mean that God will teach both Aaron and Moses to speak. There is nothing in our doctrine that even proclaims Moses to be God.

Well actually the Jews understood that Moses was only a man for a long time and Gentiles couldn’t do much with it by the time Christianity came around. But who knows, if Gentiles handled the story early on, Moses may have been made into a God too.

Actually, God created the Heavens and the earth FIRST before He created any living creatures, and below is what your Qur’an says about the creation of the Heavens and the earth.

Sura 50:38 And certainly WE created the heavens and the earth and what is between them in six periods and there touched US not any fatigue.

As you can see in your own Qur’an, Allah created the heavens and the earth, and we both know that the heavens and the earth were created before any living creatures… This means that BEFORE the Heavens and earth were created, Allah was NOT ALONE. Why? Because they were WITH ALLAH TOGETHER creating the heavens and the earth and everything else! What other beings besides Allah existed BEFORE the Heavens and earth were created, FaithofAbraham??? So, answer the question:

1. Do you believe that there is only ONE Creator who is Allah, or do you believe that Allah, the Ox, Lion, Man, and the Eagle were all Creators?
2. If you believe that there is only one Creator in the beginning of time, then who else was Allah referring to when he said, WE created the heavens and the earth?

I believe one God but that angels were there as His helpers, as I said. In Islam there are angels, then a lower class of jinn which is what Satan was, identified as a beast of the field in Genesis. These were all there before Adam was created in their likeness.

 

[Selene]

Well actually the Jews understood that Moses was only a man for a long time and Gentiles couldn’t do much with it by the time Christianity came around… But who knows, if Gentiles handled the story early on, Moses may have been made into a God too.

As I said, there is nothing in our doctrine that proclaims Moses turning into God.

I believe one God but that angels were there as His helpers, as I said. In Islam there are angels,

I see…so you are saying that Allah needed help in creating the heavens and earth. Sorry! But I find this so funny!!! In Christianity, God is considered All-Powerful and Almighty because He didn’t need any help from anyone including angels to create the entire universe.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

As I said, there is nothing in our doctrine that proclaims Moses turning into God.

There’s no way to know if it would be that way if it was a new doctrine presented to the world by the Church, rather than an ancient one presented by the Jews first.

I see…so you are saying that Allah needed help in creating the heavens and earth. Sorry! But I find this so funny!!! In Christianity, God is considered All-Powerful and Almighty because He didn’t need any help from anyone including angels to create the entire universe.

No more than He really needed help to send prophets to talk to the world, or to use angels for any other thing. They are all just servants to Him to do what He wants.

 

[ralphinal]

Is Father one of the 99 Names of Allah? If so, is it Daddy as Jesus taught or is it the formal Father?

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Is Father one of the 99 Names of Allah? If so, is it Daddy as Jesus taught or is it the formal Father?

No, maybe that’s #100 they are afraid to say.

 

[ralphinal]

No, maybe that’s #100 they are afraid to say.

Ok. Following that line of thought, why would they be afraid to say it when Jesus taught that we should call God “Father” or more specifically, “Daddy?”

I am not disagreeing with that statement. In fact, it seems to be the only way to reconcile the two faiths in this matter.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Ok. Following that line of thought, why would they be afraid to say it when Jesus taught that we should call God “Father” or more specifically, “Daddy?”

I am not disagreeing with that statement. In fact, it seems to be the only way to reconcile the two faiths in this matter.

They simply reject the Gospels as corrupt. They have been indoctrinated to believe that calling yourself a child of God can only mean you are fully man, fully God, or a demigod or deity. So they harden their hearts against it because that’s what they’ve been told.

 

[inJESUS]

But Jesus had a human soul and flesh and was tempted in all ways to sin as we are.

yet did not, as your quote says.

Hebrews 4:15 yet without sin.

 

[inJESUS]

Exodus says Moses would be God instead of God. The Gentile way might be to say Moses turned into God, since all the major Gentile mythologies seem to have demigods, from Egyptian to Roman, so it would follow that pattern.

yet the gentiles who "misinterpreted’ Jesus did not “misinterpret” Moses. Why? because Moses is not the creator of this world, even if he were God to humans…the comparison is limited because he was created. Jesus is God, not like God, because He is the creator. The authors who wrote these were Jews, not gentiles, so they knew what they were talking about…it is not gentiles’ fault if monotheistic Jews said that Jesus is the eternal creator of this universe. To read what the Jewish disciples wrote and come to the conclusion Jesus is not God is polytheism and shirk for attributing to a “creature” eternity and the Creative power of this world.

The Jewish way might be to say, Moses was given the power of God and spoke the Word of God as a prophet, and so the Word of God became flesh in Moses. But Moses wasn’t God. Same with Jesus.

 

[inJESUS]

Well actually the Jews understood that Moses was only a man for a long time and Gentiles couldn’t do much with it by the time Christianity came around. But who knows, if Gentiles handled the story early on, Moses may have been made into a God too.

if Jews wrote that Moses is the Alpha and Omega, the Creator of this world,yet called him a creature, it would be Jews’ fault of attributing partners to God and it would mean that gentiles are the true monotheistic since no one is Alpha and Omega, no one is the creator of this world except God, according to Jewish scriptures.

I believe one God but that angels were there as His helpers, as I said. In Islam there are angels, then a lower class of jinn which is what Satan was, identified as a beast of the field in Genesis. These were all there before Adam was created in their likeness

 

[Claire_from_DE]

I know some Catholic priests who are afraid to call God “father.”

But are they afraid of the wrath of God or the wrath of (wo)man?

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Jesus is BORN THROUGH Mary, not “created” by Mary’s body (egg and sperm). He is Her creator who came through her, not Her creator created by her.

Where did the flesh and seed of David come from if not from Mary’s body?

If Jesus created Mary’s flesh, and Mary’s flesh was used to create Jesus, then the creator created his mother then created himself from his mother.

If Jesus created David’s flesh, and David’s flesh was used to create Jesus, then the creator created his father then created himself from his father.

There is no difference between the two so that point is irrelevant, as it stands within your belief that Jesus is creator. David or Mary, the result is the same.

in the case of David, Jesus will be created by David’s sperm and Mary’s egg . Yet scriptures say clearly He is not created but is THE Creator. How can He be created by humans if He created them?

Not David’s sperm and Mary’s egg, but David’s sperm and Bathsheba’s egg. The child died then was resurrected into Mary’s womb. Mary was a surrogate mother for Jesus.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

FaithofAbraham,

Thank you for answering my question.
The way you describe God’s spirit in Moses is how Catholics might think of the pope, that he speaks God word to us in matters of faith and morals.

We believe God himself took a human body and was born as a human baby from Mary. But this baby was truly human and truly God at the same time. He was a divine person, not part God and part man, but completely God in human form. That’s why we call Mary the mother of God, or the God-bearer. She didn’t create God, of course not, but she was his birth mother when he took on a human nature. We believe this only happened once in the whole history of the world.

The Jews who sent him to be killed understood this and they couldn’t accept it. Jesus said, “Before Abraham was, I AM.” They understood that he was saying he is God, that he is the Son and is completely one with and united to God the Father. But they knew that this was blasphemy if it was not true and they didn’t see how it could possible be true.

I think you probably feel as those Jews did, that it is wrong to say Jesus and God are One. We believe God, who is Father, Son, and Spirit can do all things and could do this.

If the Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet, do they believe that he told us to pray to God as our father?

 

[FaithofAbraham]

FaithofAbraham,

If the Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet, do they believe that he told us to pray to God as our father?

I believe Jesus told us that, but most think the whole NT is corrupt. They won’t look at God as our Father or themselves as God’s children because they don’t want to have anything to do with the perceived demigod aspect of Jesus, and won’t lend credence to anything that suggests it.

Much in the same way Jews want to teach that Messiah can’t be savior, when Isaiah and elsewhere says otherwise, Messiah does bring salvation, but only because God gives him the power to be savior. Jews don’t want to lend any credence at all to that and similar ideas either.

So both have been conditioned to think that Jesus being a savior, or God being the Father, or Jesus being mediator like a High Priest, somehow identifies with the idea that Jesus is God, so they try to discount it, even if it means changing and ignoring scripture to do it.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

FaithofAbraham,
Would you say that most Muslims love Allah as much as they respect and fear him? Christians above all love God, then respect and fear him, I think.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

FaithofAbraham,
Would you say that most Muslims love Allah as much as they respect and fear him? Christians above all love God, then respect and fear him, I think.

I think this is the case with a lot of them:

Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

 

[StBenMom]

I think this is the case with a lot of them:

Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Here we go again!!! What is your issue with DIRECT questions and answers??? You are very insulting to think you have so much knowledge regarding Christian doctrine and Scripture. Very “nerv-y” of you. Why can you not answer a SINGLE question anyone asks you??? I have a feeling it is because you don’t have the answers and neither does your Qu’ran. If it did, you would be pulling verses out of it instead of The Holy Bible. The queries here SPECIFICALLY ask for a Muslim answer to the question: “Can Allah be called Father” So what is it??? Yes or no. And what’s the deal with the answer to THIS question???

Q: Would you say that most Muslims love Allah as much as they respect and fear him? Christians above all love God, then respect and fear him, I think.

A: I think this is the case with a lot of them:

Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

WHAT??? Make some sense, please. Because, to me, Matthew 15:8-9 refers to Muhammed and other false prophets like him. Muhammed was a man, who taught doctrines of a man, with no other “witnesses” to his “revelations”, who didn’t even live during the time of Christ yet Muslims claim he was THE prophet. Prophet of what? Prophecy was already fufilled. Are you here just to be insulting and downright rude or are you here to explain your beliefs??? I implore that you stop using Holy Scripture as your “argument” for Islam. We ask questions about a certain verse in the Qu’ran and you answer with biblical text. We ask if something is done or is OK in Islam and you answer with scripture. Please stop it! It not only makes no sense but it also does not show any sort of common ground or bridge. And you may wonder why some people have an “aversion” to anything Islam. Which, by the way, means “submission”. We will not submit to anything but the Word. The Word of Our Father and Our Lord, Jesus Christ. So, I guess if you want, you just keep on posting those bible verses. It only makes our faith stronger when someone shows undeniable proof. I am just asking you to be a bit more “brotherly”. As Jesus said, “how can you remove the splinter from your brothers eye when you have a board in your own?” People here just want answers to what a Muslim honestly believes and why. We know what we believe AND why we believe it. We’re just asking you to share the same about YOUR faith.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

I think this is the case with a lot of them:

Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

I don’t understand your answer.

Do Muslims fear Allah more than they love him? Does Allah want people to obey him because they fear him or because they love him? Which one is more important to Allah, fear of him or love of him??

 

[FaithofAbraham]

I don’t understand your answer.

Do Muslims fear Allah more than they love him? Does Allah want people to obey him because they fear him or because they love him? Which one is more important to Allah, fear of him or love of him??

Love is more important. But I think Muslims fear Him more than love.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

And what’s the deal with the answer to THIS question???

Q: Would you say that most Muslims love Allah as much as they respect and fear him? Christians above all love God, then respect and fear him, I think.

A: I think this is the case with a lot of them:

Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

WHAT??? Make some sense, please.

It means a lot of them do ritual out of fear and obligation but don’t really love God in their hearts. I thought the meaning of this was clear to most Christians.