Yes, Eastern Catholics are Catholics, but the original question was asked regarding Catholic obligation fulfillment at an Orthodox Divine Liturgy.I don’t know how this Thread has veered from the original inent, but going to an Eastern Rite Catholic Church on Sunday DOES fulfill the Sunday Obligation for Catholics. Eastern Rite Catholics are in Communion with Rome. Simple enough?
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your right. you can miss mass when there is no catholic church nearby. by that you are correct. im just saying that attending an orthodox church would satisfy the obligation.
It is the hierarchy that makes those rules, you are always at liberty to break the rules, at your own risk and to the scandal of others.Can’t we just get along? We’re laity and I see no problem in attending either Catholic or Eastern Orthodox Churches seeing as we all recognize each others sacraments as valid. I know some extreme Catholics will quote the Catechism book on this issue and extreme Orthodox will quote Patriarch Alexy II, but honestly try to find conflicting differences when you attend either liturgy. No Catholic can tell me St Nectarios of Aegina wasn’t a holy man, nor can an Orthodox tell me St Charbel was a blasphemer. Worship Jesus, receive the sacrament, and go on about your life.
Finally a sensible post in this thread.Can’t we just get along? We’re laity and I see no problem in attending either Catholic or Eastern Orthodox Churches seeing as we all recognize each others sacraments as valid. I know some extreme Catholics will quote the Catechism book on this issue and extreme Orthodox will quote Patriarch Alexy II, but honestly try to find conflicting differences when you attend either liturgy. No Catholic can tell me St Nectarios of Aegina wasn’t a holy man, nor can an Orthodox tell me St Charbel was a blasphemer. Worship Jesus, receive the sacrament, and go on about your life.
Out of obedience even when something “seems” right for you, you still need to obey The Church Jesus Founded and when The Catholic Church tells you not to receive Communion from any Churches outside It’s Union, that is giving that “Other” Church actual respect. You cannot possibly receive Communion, the highest and most central Sacrament there is in both Churches when we are n ot in union UNLESS as I said earlier there is a serious reason.
Without responding to the rest of your comment I’d just want to be clear that the “Sunday Obligation” is an obligation to assist in the Holy Mass on Sunday. One need not receive Holy Eucharist in order to fulfill the Sunday Obligation. If for example one is not properly disposed to receive Communion one can still assist in Mass and fulfill his/her “obligation”.
Your question is a kind of a paradigm in that you are correct that you do not have to receive Holy Communion to fulfill the Obligation of going to Mass on Sunday but the question would logically follow that by not missing Sunday Mass you are not committing serious sin, yet in not receiving Holy Communion one must be conscious of Mortal sin hence I would ask that it would be a good idea to heal that rift in what causes you to miss Holy Communion as soon as possible albeit, there are many reasons why that cannot be corrected by a simple act of Confession; i.e. cohabitation, illicit marriage, etc… I would refer you to a priest asap in those latter issues.
Don’t worry Fr., we’re not about to admit you anyway. We don’t admit Catholics to the Eucharist in the first place let alone Catholics in “serious need” of a real Eucharist who don’t care where they have to go to get it. Every last Orthodox priest, should he find himself in such a situation, knows what he is supposed to do. If out of compassion, sentimentality or for any other reason he decides to do otherwise that is between him and God. I do suppose, were it to happen, such a person would finally actually recieve the Body and Blood of Christ before they died. Whether unto condemnation or increase in holiness is up to God.Out of obedience even when something “seems” right for you, you still need to obey The Church Jesus Founded and when The Catholic Church tells you not to receive Communion from any Churches outside It’s Union, that is giving that “Other” Church actual respect. You cannot possibly receive Communion, the highest and most central Sacrament there is in both Churches when we are n ot in union UNLESS as I said earlier there is a serious reason.
It’s like a wife saying to the husband, “I will visit my former boyfriend because he’s a nice guy and he is alone in a new city here. I will just be with him for an hour to talk to him and see how things are”. If you are married I don’t think that would go so well with your husband. It doesn’t matter how “nice” the guy was and may be and it doesn’t matter how "similar" he is to your husband, there was a severance and your not with him. Your married. So, tell me why I would be wrong in the 2 comparisons…
Well you sound awfully charitable this morning. Was it something I said?
The thing is Fr, that Orthodox parishes tend to be much smaller that Roman Catholic parishes. The priest generally knows everyone by name. Moreover, even a visitor is expected to speak with the priest before approaching for communion. My own priest in the Antiochian Archdiocese of North America has more than once questioned a person approaching the chalice as to whether they were Orthodox or not and tactfully turned certain persons away. Do you often talk to Orthodox Bishops? Church structure really shouldn’t be too confusing to you Father, and I can’t help but think you’re feigning confusion here to cast doubt on the unity of the Church. There is one faith, there are Bishops, Metropolitans, Patriarchs… you already know this. Four of the five ancient Patriarchates commune with each other and not with your Church. We have no disagreements on faith and morals. We are no more internally divided than your Church is concerning, say the SSPX? If you have evidence to the contrary you are obligated to share it or retract your statement.Well you sound awfully charitable this morning. Was it something I said?
See, the fact is The Catholic Church allows it’s members to receive Communion from The Orthodox in serious need. The Orthodox do not. Catholics do not advertise their Faith on their shoulders so no one knows they are Catholic should they receive from an Orthodox Church. Although, it depends which Orthodox Bishop I talk to. The internal divisions in Orthodoxy are rather confusing. Especially on matters of Morals and even Faith. Sad. But true. Catholics have a clear and concise Catechism to go to that is in union with the whole Catholic Faith. Not just depending on which “Rite” he/she may belong to or which Bishop may be present at a given time.
If you are confusing my frank speach with a lack of charity, please forgive me.That’s right. But sme of your bishops do allow Catholics the reception of the Eucharist in Orthodox Church and you seem to be on the wrong side of your own Teachings since Orthdoxy and Catholicism accept eachothers Priesthood as Valid hence we Catholics have a “REAL” Eucharist like you! Ain’t that great?
Again, you are mistaken Father. We most certainly do not believe that sacraments exist outside the Church (read: Rome excluded). The very real truth is Father, that any Orthodox jurisdiction may and could quite possibly recieve you as a layman by Baptism. It is at the discretion of the Bishop to recieve Catholics either by Baptism( since there is no Baptism outside the Church, thus, Catholics Baptisms are like an empty glass of water) or for the Bishop to exercise economy and trust the Holy Spirit to make up what is lacking in your heterodox sacraments by Chrismation. That is the hard reality of things Father. You may research this yourself. Every Orthodox Church baptizes Catholics, therefore we do not accept the Catholic priesthoood or sacraments. It’s just plain logic.
No one is going to contend that Catholics don’t have a “hands on head” Apostolic Succession, but again, proper form doesn’t mean a sacrament has taken place. I myself cannot cofect the Eucharist using proper form alone since I am not ordained. Catholics can do no more than I, priest or layman, neither is ordained according to the Orthodox Church.
That is not what The Orthodox Church teaches. I think you either belong to a schismatic Orthodox Church or playing a game here. I know what Orthodoxy believes. I speak with Orthodox Priests and even bishops. I know what your saying is 99.9% false about Orthodoxy and I think you are just here tryng to cause a division among Catholics and Orthodox that does not exist. I have nothing more to say to you. Your either wounded, or playing a game. God bless you.Again, you are mistaken Father. We most certainly do not believe that sacraments exist outside the Church (read: Rome excluded). The very real truth is Father, that any Orthodox jurisdiction may and could quite possibly recieve you as a layman by Baptism. It is at the discretion of the Bishop to recieve Catholics either by Baptism( since there is no Baptism outside the Church, thus, Catholics Baptisms are like an empty glass of water) or for the Bishop to exercise economy and trust the Holy Spirit to make up what is lacking in your heterodox sacraments by Chrismation. That is the hard reality of things Father. You may research this yourself. Every Orthodox Church baptizes Catholics, therefore we do not accept the Catholic priesthoood or sacraments. It’s just plain logic.
That is actually exactly what the Orthodox Church believes Father and I am sorry to say you have been very, extremely misinformed or have drawn incorrect conclusions. You seem to misinterpret niceities and courtesy even here as acknowledgement and validation of your Church, so I can only surmise you have mistakingly done similarly in your dealings with Orthodox Priests and Bishops.
False. Orthodoxy and Catholicism recognize mutual Priesthood and holy Orders. You have no conception what your talking about.