Can an Eastern Rite Patriarch, theoretically, ever become Pope?

[Vico]

Hesychios,

How come you listed the dioceses of Diocletian, ruled by Agustus of the West, not the current suburbicarian sees of the Latin Church of the Metropolitan Archbishop of the Province of Rome (listed below)?

Diocese of Albano
Diocese of Frascati
Diocese of Ostia
Diocese of Palestrina
Diocese of Porto–Santa Rufina
Diocese of Sabina–Poggio Mirteto (–Farfa)
Diocese of Velletri–Segni

 

[Aramis]

But the expansion of the actual (as opposed to theoretical) eligibility of Papal candidates beyond Italy only took place after Vatican II, with roots in international politics of the contemporary age, and is done not to please any emperor or republic but to spread the Gospel more effectively.

Not so… several popes were from Africa in the first millenium. They had moved to Rome already, as far as I can tell… As, in fact, had Cardinal Ratzinger. (I’m not certain about Cardinal Wojtila.)

Pope St Miltiades, an African-born Berber, of whom little s written. Pope for 3 years…

And, in the latter half of the 2nd millenium…
Plus, Pope St Pius X was a Lombard - Austro-Hungarian, but still generally “Italian”…
Early16th C Pope Adrian VI was from Utrech (now in Netherlands), and his episcopal see was in Tortosa, Syria…

 

[Vico]

Not so… several popes were from Africa in the first millenium. They had moved to Rome already, as far as I can tell… As, in fact, had Cardinal Ratzinger. (I’m not certain about Cardinal Wojtila.)

Pope St Miltiades, an African-born Berber, of whom little s written. Pope for 3 years…

And, in the latter half of the 2nd millenium…
Plus, Pope St Pius X was a Lombard - Austro-Hungarian, but still generally “Italian”…
Early16th C Pope Adrian VI was from Utrech (now in Netherlands), and his episcopal see was in Tortosa, Syria…

Blessed Cardinal Wojtila was nominated to the College of Cardinals on May 29, 1967 when he was the Metropolitan Archbishop of Krakow (1964-1978). So he traveled to Rome frequently in the 1970s for meetings.

 

[Alexander_Roman]

Blessed Cardinal Wojtila was nominated to the College of Cardinals on May 29, 1967 when he was the Metropolitan Archbishop of Krakow (1964-1978). So he traveled to Rome frequently in the 1970s for meetings.

What a coincidence! Blessed John Paul II was nominated on the very same day as well!!

 

[James_Miller]

There are and have been Eastern Rite Patriarchs name cardinals. A current one is the Syro Malabar Archbishop of Cochin India. He is present at the conclave and I assume votes and has a right to be elected.

Not to mention the great Cardinal from the Ukraine Josyf Slipyj (Ukrainian: Йосип Сліпий) (February 17, 1892 – September 7, 1984) was a Major Archbishop of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church and a Cardinal of the Catholic Church.

 

[Matthew_Holford]

It is not necessary to be a cardinal to be elected as the Pope.

 

[AlexPetrosPio]

Thread closed?

 

[tabycat]

Technically any Catholic male can become Pope, even a lay, married person can. The chances of that happening though would be akin to the same person winning all the state lotteries in the same week.

The realistic candidates would be the Cardinals. Some of the Patriarchs and Major Archbishops are Cardinals. In the last conclave, it was rumored that Ukrainian Patriarch, His Beatitude Lubomyr Husar, who is also a Cardinal, was one of the front runners to the Papacy. So yes, any Eastern Catholic Bishop who is also a Cardinal has a realistic chance to become a Pope.

From what I remember, there is only three requirerments to be Pope (besides being elected) they are 1. be male, 2. be at least 18 years old, and 3. be baptistesed a Catholic. :knight1::knight2::harp:

 

[malphono]

Thread closed?

Just MHO, but after more than a year of dormancy, I think it should be so considered.

 

[AlexPetrosPio]

Lol, like from June of last year to July of this year? Not only has it been more than a year, but my question was already answered, in great detail that I’m happy with.

 

[ConstantineTG]

From what I remember, there is only three requirerments to be Pope (besides being elected) they are 1. be male, 2. be at least 18 years old, and 3. be baptistesed a Catholic. :knight1::knight2::harp:

You are right. I checked UNIVERSI DOMINICI GREGIS to confirm. I did read before that it was only Cardinals, but I guess that piece I read was also misinformed.

From UNIVERSI DOMINICI GREGIS

1. With the same insistence shown by my Predecessors, I earnestly exhort the Cardinal electors not to allow themselves to be guided, in choosing the Pope, by friendship or aversion, or to be influenced by favour or personal relationships towards anyone, or to be constrained by the interference of persons in authority or by pressure groups, by the suggestions of the mass media, or by force, fear or the pursuit of popularity. Rather, having before their eyes solely the glory of God and the good of the Church, and having prayed for divine assistance, they shall give their vote to the person, even outside the College of Cardinals, who in their judgment is most suited to govern the universal Church in a fruitful and beneficial way.

 

[griego_catolico]

I have a feeling that HB Sviatoslav will get his turn. Not so soon though, he isn’t even a Cardinal yet but he’s only 40. My guess is 15-20 years from now.

I too believe that His Beatitude will become the first Eastern Catholic Pope of modern times.

The day His Beatitude was elected Patriarch, something within me kept saying “Pope!” He definitely will be “papabile” to say the least.

Most likely, he won’t be made cardinal until His Beatitude Lubomyr Husar turns 80.

 

[ConstantineTG]

I too believe that His Beatitude will become the first Eastern Catholic Pope of modern times.

The day His Beatitude was elected Patriarch, something within me kept saying “Pope!” He definitely will be “papabile” to say the least.

Most likely, he won’t be made cardinal until His Beatitude Lubomyr Husar turns 80.

He is 42 now so he has plenty of time to wait. Pope John Paul II was in his 50s when he became Pope. And as mentioned in the above post, one doesn’t need to be Cardinal to become Pope. Although it is unlikely one who is not part of the conclave be selected as Pope. But he does have the credentials being a Patriarch of the largest Eastern Catholic Church and all his experience being bishop in South America and his fluency in several major languages (English and Spanish are among the languages he speaks).

 

[Simplici_Corde]

Howdy folks, I just joined yesterday, looking forward to chatting with all you.

So, If an eastern catholic became Pope, would he be required to say the Latin-Rite Mass in public, the Divine Liturgy, or both? Would he vest in an eastern fashion? I know there is no way the Bishop of Rome would ever slide without saying Latin-Rite Mass, but would he have to back away from the DL?

 

[tennessee123]

As I understand it is true any Catholic male can be Pope. If a layman he would be ordained all the way to Bishop then made Pope.

 

[Aramis]

As I understand it is true any Catholic male can be Pope. If a layman he would be ordained all the way to Bishop then made Pope.

Present rules for the interregnum require the candidates be cardinals. Not of need ordained, but cardinals. (Tho’, I’m not aware of any unordained cardinals at the moment.)

 

[Vico]

Howdy folks, I just joined yesterday, looking forward to chatting with all you.

So, If an eastern catholic became Pope, would he be required to say the Latin-Rite Mass in public, the Divine Liturgy, or both? Would he vest in an eastern fashion? I know there is no way the Bishop of Rome would ever slide without saying Latin-Rite Mass, but would he have to back away from the DL?

Welcome to the forum. I suppose so, since priests and bishops can be given an indult: bi-ritual faculties or adaptation of rite. But it is the norm to preserve the traditions of one’s own Church sui iuris.

 

[ByzCathCantor]

Howdy folks, I just joined yesterday, looking forward to chatting with all you.

So, If an eastern catholic became Pope, would he be required to say the Latin-Rite Mass in public, the Divine Liturgy, or both? Would he vest in an eastern fashion? I know there is no way the Bishop of Rome would ever slide without saying Latin-Rite Mass, but would he have to back away from the DL?

Welcome to the CAF!

As Bishop of Rome, the Pope is indeed a Latin hierarch, and would typically celebrate the Mass.

I believe the Pope may celebrate the Liturgy of any rite in the Catholic Church.

Blessed Pope John Paul II did on one occasion celebrate the Divine Liturgy according to Byzantine Rite (Ukrainian tradition): Papal Liturgy - Pope John Paul II celebrating Ukrainian Divine Liturgy. You will note that his still vested in Latin style Papal vestments, as is the norm for bi-ritual (or mutli-ritual) concelebration.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Present rules for the interregnum require the candidates be cardinals. Not of need ordained, but cardinals. (Tho’, I’m not aware of any unordained cardinals at the moment.)

What rules? I posted above that there is no such restriction.

 

[tabycat]

You are right. I checked UNIVERSI DOMINICI GREGIS to confirm. I did read before that it was only Cardinals, but I guess that piece I read was also misinformed.

From UNIVERSI DOMINICI GREGIS/QU

Recent (last 2 or300 years) years only Cardinals have been elected. Only Cardinals can vote for Pope. :angel1::nun1::knight1: