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Seagull
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Nothing - but the facts - and exact positions !
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po18guy
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Actually, not. The bible itself tells us that it contains maybe 1% of what our Lord said and did. The bible is irreplaceable, but was never intended to be the basis of the faith. Look into it. Jesus founded a Church on the Apostles, and sent them so that “He who hears you hears Me” Luke 7:16. He gave the Apostles all authority on earth. A few of them later wrote a tiny fragment of that down.
“Bible alone” has disproved itself millions of times, as the entire world knows what the bible says, but argue 'til their blue in the face over what it means! Christ’s Church knows what it means - without error. Scripture tells you that it is twisted by the ignorant and unstable. The sooner the Christian knows this, the better.
In any event, the bible is valued and revered only because Christ’s Church wrote it, tested it, canonized it, preserved it at a cost in blood, and handed it on for us. It is Tradition - the written tradition.
Full story, bro’
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Ardent_Fire
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I am married.
I AM that voice, especially when I’m trying to clean the house.
I AM that voice, especially when I’m trying to clean the house.
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MaryEstelle2
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No, because I don’t have either one, but they sound like fun.
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somecanadian
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I never used to be able to.
Before my conversion I was in a very bad place spiritually and mentally. I had just left my ‘home church’ after realizing that I didn’t actually believe what they taught and only stayed because I felt welcomed and loved. I called myself agnostic to religion because I didn’t believe in Christianity anymore but I still believed in God.
Anyway. After months of struggling and a deep depression I threw myself on the floor and begged God to help.
What followed was 7 days of repentance. Every day I would kneel and beg God for help and every night the Holy Spirit would reveal my sins to me and I would beg for forgiveness.
At the end of that week I woke up with a sure knowledge that I HAD to be Catholic. Prior to that very moment I had dismissed Catholicism as a cult.
I obeyed. I called the Church, signed up for RCIA and within 9 months was brought into the Church. All while knowing very little about what it taught but KNOWING it was what God wanted.
I can’t explain to you how I knew it was God, I just did and the fruits of the spirit have proven it to me. Nothing but good has come from my conversion.
After my conversion God started to speak to me in a variety of ways. Not with a ‘voice’ but through things.
I would pray before Mass and beg God for help with something. Then I’d go to Mass and the homily would address whatever issue I was struggling with.
I prayed for help with loneliness and the next day a strange man came to me, grasped my hand, smiled gently and said: God Bless you, and I knew without a doubt he’d been sent by God.
I would struggle with sin and open a book and that book would address the sin I was struggling with.
I would wonder about some spiritual thing and a member of the parish would approach me and speak to me about that thing.
That first year after my confirmation was FULL of graces… but I was, I have no doubt, in a state of grace.
After that first year things started to happen and I started to sin and now such things haven’t been happening with as much frequency.
I truly believe God speaks to us through people, through books, through the Mass… the trouble is we often aren’t listening so we don’t hear what He’s trying to say.
That’s just my opinion though.
As for how I know it’s God and not Satan - nothing that has ever been ‘said’ to me has ever been contrary to anything taught in the Church and has always and only pushed me closer to God and humility.
Satan appeals to pride, to sin, he subtly makes bad look good. You won’t know if it’s God or Satan unless you know what is sin and what isn’t. So I’d suggest anyone who wants help discerning first examine what sin IS so they can spot it when it’s presented to them.
Before my conversion I was in a very bad place spiritually and mentally. I had just left my ‘home church’ after realizing that I didn’t actually believe what they taught and only stayed because I felt welcomed and loved. I called myself agnostic to religion because I didn’t believe in Christianity anymore but I still believed in God.
Anyway. After months of struggling and a deep depression I threw myself on the floor and begged God to help.
What followed was 7 days of repentance. Every day I would kneel and beg God for help and every night the Holy Spirit would reveal my sins to me and I would beg for forgiveness.
At the end of that week I woke up with a sure knowledge that I HAD to be Catholic. Prior to that very moment I had dismissed Catholicism as a cult.
I obeyed. I called the Church, signed up for RCIA and within 9 months was brought into the Church. All while knowing very little about what it taught but KNOWING it was what God wanted.
I can’t explain to you how I knew it was God, I just did and the fruits of the spirit have proven it to me. Nothing but good has come from my conversion.
After my conversion God started to speak to me in a variety of ways. Not with a ‘voice’ but through things.
I would pray before Mass and beg God for help with something. Then I’d go to Mass and the homily would address whatever issue I was struggling with.
I prayed for help with loneliness and the next day a strange man came to me, grasped my hand, smiled gently and said: God Bless you, and I knew without a doubt he’d been sent by God.
I would struggle with sin and open a book and that book would address the sin I was struggling with.
I would wonder about some spiritual thing and a member of the parish would approach me and speak to me about that thing.
That first year after my confirmation was FULL of graces… but I was, I have no doubt, in a state of grace.
After that first year things started to happen and I started to sin and now such things haven’t been happening with as much frequency.
I truly believe God speaks to us through people, through books, through the Mass… the trouble is we often aren’t listening so we don’t hear what He’s trying to say.
That’s just my opinion though.
As for how I know it’s God and not Satan - nothing that has ever been ‘said’ to me has ever been contrary to anything taught in the Church and has always and only pushed me closer to God and humility.
Satan appeals to pride, to sin, he subtly makes bad look good. You won’t know if it’s God or Satan unless you know what is sin and what isn’t. So I’d suggest anyone who wants help discerning first examine what sin IS so they can spot it when it’s presented to them.
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goout
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God never speaks to any person in an individualist vacuum. Private revelations are “run by” the Church. That’s the only context that matters.
If you hear God’s voice speaking in your heart, talk to your fellow Catholics about it. Talk to your priest. etc…You will get feedback.
If you hear God’s voice speaking in your heart, talk to your fellow Catholics about it. Talk to your priest. etc…You will get feedback.
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goout
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Does the prompting lead me to charity? Does the prompting isolate me or does it lead me to unity and cooperation with others?
Does it lead me to docile obedience or to chafing at Church authority?
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Telstar
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I’m guessing it might be your Guardian Angel. I hate alarm clocks, so if I need to get up at a particular time, I ask my Angel to wake me up by that time. It always seems to work pretty well! 
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MaryEstelle2
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Yes, it is your inner Timex ticking away, but I often don’t want to hear it.
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DebCWil
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goout makes an important point about discernment. It is common practice during Charismatic prayer meetings to hear God’s voice. A prophetic word is always followed by a request for confirmation. That confirmation will come in the form of a similar word spoken by another (unprompted) or a reading from Scripture.
It may be that as an individual, you will be walking and inspiration will come to you “out of the blue.” That solution to a problem or difficulty that has been troubling you brings peace. This is the peace “beyond understanding” found in Scripture. That is God speaking. Yes, it may even come as an audible voice.
Sometimes it means taking action like writing a letter. The saying, “letting go and letting God” is not a call to apathy. It is a call to listen for that small still voice. It may be insight, as others have mentioned that does come during prayer, or while reading the words of Scripture.
Mondon wrote about the Bible being the Word of God. As Catholics, we read the words of Scripture to lead to the Word Incarnate. As John wrote in his Gospel, the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. We don’t stop there. We have the Sacraments, and the priesthood. We have the magisterium protected by the Holy Spirit, the Apostolic teaching to ensure that what we are hearing is indeed from God and not from the evil one, or our imagination.
We also have the test that Scripture tells us to use. Only in the Spirit can we say, “Jesus is Lord.”
It may be that as an individual, you will be walking and inspiration will come to you “out of the blue.” That solution to a problem or difficulty that has been troubling you brings peace. This is the peace “beyond understanding” found in Scripture. That is God speaking. Yes, it may even come as an audible voice.
Sometimes it means taking action like writing a letter. The saying, “letting go and letting God” is not a call to apathy. It is a call to listen for that small still voice. It may be insight, as others have mentioned that does come during prayer, or while reading the words of Scripture.
Mondon wrote about the Bible being the Word of God. As Catholics, we read the words of Scripture to lead to the Word Incarnate. As John wrote in his Gospel, the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. We don’t stop there. We have the Sacraments, and the priesthood. We have the magisterium protected by the Holy Spirit, the Apostolic teaching to ensure that what we are hearing is indeed from God and not from the evil one, or our imagination.
We also have the test that Scripture tells us to use. Only in the Spirit can we say, “Jesus is Lord.”
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Phemie
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I was shocked, recently, when I attended Sunday Mass with my friend while in her town for a funeral. In his homily the priest went on to describe a specific prayerful/pious behavior as “neurosis” then added, “If you think God speaks to you, that’s psychosis. Take a pill!”
She loves her parish but there were several things during Mass that put up red flags for me and I wouldn’t attend Mass there if I had a choice.
She loves her parish but there were several things during Mass that put up red flags for me and I wouldn’t attend Mass there if I had a choice.
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mondon111
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So should we trust bible without doubt?
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goodcatholic
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Just a moment. He is saying something right now to me……………
“Ron. Get off that Internet forum right now or else!”
“Ron. Get off that Internet forum right now or else!”
po18guy
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The bible is 100% trustworthy, but no individual is guaranteed to know what it means - outside of the most simple and declarative sentences. Even then, Christians argue over it. For that reason, we rely on the authority of the Church, the teaching of the Apostles, and the scriptures. The three legs of the Trinitarian Church.
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inquiringmind12
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Never heard any voice. However I got signs that seemed so devine they must be from God
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Sursum-Corda
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Only humans speak words.
Since God is not a human being the question of waiting around to listen to some “ voice” can not normally arise.
But since God is all powerful then anything is possible.
God speaks to us I think sometimes through other humans and also through events that happen in our lives.
This is especially so with parents and children and the importance of parents teaching their children about the one true catholic faith can not be overestimated.
Since God is not a human being the question of waiting around to listen to some “ voice” can not normally arise.
But since God is all powerful then anything is possible.
God speaks to us I think sometimes through other humans and also through events that happen in our lives.
This is especially so with parents and children and the importance of parents teaching their children about the one true catholic faith can not be overestimated.
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Alex337
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That’s how I do it. Silence is a beautiful way to listen for God and contemplate His presence.
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Sursum-Corda
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If God deigns to speak to someone I do not accept that it has to be in a quiet voice.
There are certain people who God needs to shout at.
There are certain people who God needs to shout at.
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TheNeutral
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I remember distinctly that when I was younger (really young) I begun referring to myself by a new name which meant “my life was spared”. At the time of me saying this, I said it casually as though it was common knowledge, only to find out many years later that I almost died at birth; None of the procedures were working, and right as they were about to give up, Paraclete freed me from my shackles and I not only survived, but came out with no physical or mental damage of any kind
…Flash forward many years later however, and my life is a living nightmare. Sometimes I wish that I had died, because unlike many people in the past or on these forums, my supernatural interventions didn’t persist into adulthood and right now I might as well just be another guy. Knowing that I had something special and had potential but then seemingly “fell from grace” is infinitely more painful than anything I could ever describe. My grief surpasses even Mary’s, and my agony surpasses that of the Demons. Not to mention that my picture-perfect health didn’t persist into adulthood; My mind is still intact (for now) but my body is already acting up.
With that said, it is possible to hear God’s voice. Once upon a time a long while ago, I did–but don’t expect it to persist into adulthood unless you were “chosen” by God.
…Flash forward many years later however, and my life is a living nightmare. Sometimes I wish that I had died, because unlike many people in the past or on these forums, my supernatural interventions didn’t persist into adulthood and right now I might as well just be another guy. Knowing that I had something special and had potential but then seemingly “fell from grace” is infinitely more painful than anything I could ever describe. My grief surpasses even Mary’s, and my agony surpasses that of the Demons. Not to mention that my picture-perfect health didn’t persist into adulthood; My mind is still intact (for now) but my body is already acting up.
With that said, it is possible to hear God’s voice. Once upon a time a long while ago, I did–but don’t expect it to persist into adulthood unless you were “chosen” by God.
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