Can Catholics be Democrats?

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Hi. I am in RCIA so what I don’t know could fill the ocean. Anyway, I just got torn a new a-hole in a Catholic forum when I mentioned I was democrat. I was told that since democrats support abortion, it is therefore evil and blah blah.

This is what it felt like when I was voting, a party with values I agreed with except abortion. Versus a candidate I felt was going to destroy the earth but supports non-abortion.

This post is not per se to argue whether the President is a good person or not, but just how difficult it was to make a decision.

If there are any democratic Catholics on here, can you explain how you justify your position?

Thanks, Rose
 
Neither party or our government has our best interests in mind. I would personally go Independent. The party system is an illusion to divide the population and feed us propaganda.
 
We just had a thread on this on which I answered already near the beginning before it predictably turned into the usual argument over whether Trump is the devil or not.
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Can catholics be Democratics because gay OK sex. Abortion OK . birth control pills.OK
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Edited to add, I don’t feel a need to “justify” my voter registration or how I vote to anybody. The Church just tells me to vote my conscience, I do that, and frankly, nobody knows how I vote, since registration into a party does not mean you have to vote for all or even any of their candidates.
 
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Wow. Thanks! It may be that it is a hot topic. I am sad things get ugly so fast.
 
Can a Christian be a member/supporter of the US Democratic party? A Christian could be a prolife/pro-reform Democrat, but he would be obligated to actively oppose the current party leadership. A Christian simply could not support a pro-death, anti-Christian candidate such as a Sanders or Clinton while there are prolife candidates available.

Could a European Christian support the Communists or National Socialists on the grounds that he only likes their economic policies, but not their murders? The answer is simply no. The very thought of such a thing should be repugnant to a Christian.

The current bosses of the US Democrat party have systematically excluded prolife candidates from publicity and campaign funding, in order to ensure that all elected Democrats are pro-death. This is profoundly Satanic. They demand that abortion and euthanasia be paid for with tax dollars in order to involve all Americans in murder.

I won’t even recount the US Democrat party’s historic support of slavery, secession, government corruption, electoral violence, the KKK, segregation. They have always been on the side of evil. This is not just a series of coincidences.

A Christian is obligated to oppose this Evil in the strongest terms.
 
Me too. When I came over to CAF some months ago it was in hopes of getting away from the endless Trump-Clinton bickering on news forums. Unfortunately it’s over here too.

I do not discuss my own votes in elections until at least a decade has passed, but I know a lot of Catholics who voted Clinton. Also a lot who voted Trump. I would say we split just like the rest of the country.
 
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Rose, welcome to CAF, and may God bless you on your faith journey as you seek answers in order to be a true daughter of the Church.
 
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Thank you Trishie! I mentioned in the group, but of course no one replied, that when my atheist brother-in-law died for the first time (he then died five years later permanently of cancer) he did not mention anyone in heaven yelling at him about his political beliefs. It was all pure love.
 
Victorygirl said:
Anyway, I just got torn a new a-hole in a Catholic forum when I mentioned I was democrat. I was told that since democrats support abortion, it is therefore evil and blah blah.
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Blah, blah blah?

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/new...nisations-to-create-revolution-in-the-church/

“Above all, the common outcry, which is justly made on behalf of human rights-for example, the right to health, to home, to work, to family, to culture- is false and illusory if the right to life, the most basic and fundamental right and the condition for all other personal rights, is not defended with maximum determination.” - St Pope John Paul II, Christifideles Laici, n. 38
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a party with values I agreed with except abortion.
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Do you agree with euthanasia and same sex marriage? I would recommend looking up what the Church teaches about those things.
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If there are any democratic Catholics on here
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Who voted for Clinton? I sure hope not, but you will probably find the odd one or two.
Victorygirl said:
can you explain how you justify your position?
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They can only argue that they think it is the ‘lesser of two evils’ which is an extremely weak argument when it comes to someone like Clinton.

In Australia we are being asked to vote on the redefinition of marriage, and posters like Tis_Bearself have said/implied they would vote yes, there is no ‘lesser of two evils’ in this vote here, there is only one issue and one evil, so they have really let the cat out of the bag to their true intentions.

Homily for October 2, 2016


God Bless

Thank you for reading.
 
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Lol. Sorry about the “blah blah blah.” I think we have all heard the arguments ad nauseum. As I mentioned there and I will mention here, I don’t like either party. Neither party represents me. I think that is why people voted for Bernie or Trump.
 
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Sorry about the “blah blah blah.”
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Thank you, it is very upsetting when something like the destruction of marriage is included in ‘blah, blah, blah’ and something like euthanasia (disguised as death with dignity) is included in ‘blah, blah, blah’ and when John Podesta is exposed on WikiLeaks as setting up fake Catholic organizations to infiltrate and corrupt the Church.

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
 
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Yes, but they can’t receive Communion.
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I suspect your having a shot?

I heard a story recently where someone had the audacity here in Australia to walk up to communion with a same sex marriage vote ‘yes’ pin on their shirt, the Priest thank goodness and rightly denied them communion, and then they all complained about how unjust it was, people who aren’t even Catholic.

Thank you for reading
 
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TheLittleLady said:
Provide the Canon Law or other decree from the Vatican that states members of the Democrat Party of the United States cannot receive Communion.
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Those like Tim Kaine and Nancy Pelosi cannot receive communion until they have first been to confession and stop promoting and voting for these gravely evil things.

Thank you for reading
 
When people are excommunicated there is a public statement made by their Bishop or the Vatican. Can you link me to the excommunication documents for these people?
 
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If there are any democratic Catholics on here, can you explain how you justify your position?
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Please understand I do not wish to offend. I take it you are a Democrat, or at least feel it stands for what you believe in more than the other party. I merely trust you will take my own experience for what it’s worth to you.

I was a Democrat all my life. I honestly don’t think any ancestor of mine in this country ever voted other than Democrat. I was the quintessential Democrat. Born into it. Irish (mostly Irish) Catholic. My dad was an insurance salesman, but my grandfathers were a railroad worker and a farmer, respectively. I was a party official myself and did all kinds of campaign things. I knew our senators and some Dem governors on a first-name basis. I was a real believer and an activist. When I was in a Catholic college “back in the day” absolutely everybody I knew was a Democrat, and we pretty much all believed the same things. I’ll be frank. It was a joyous thing to be a Democrat, and young, in those days. We had so much belief in its goodness.

And we had good reason to believe in the party then. It did things for the poor. It was very helpful to middle class people like ourselves.

But at a point, I couldn’t stay with it. Abortion on demand was getting to be the main party issue. My wife, who was also a party official, and I felt pained by that. She gave a speech to a state party committee encouraging the party to welcome prolife people as candidates and support them. She was told afterward that she shouldn’t have done it because it was “divisive”. Divisive? There was only one choice, and that was to support abortion? Where did that leave us, then?

That took her down a lot. It was hard on candidates too. The abortion lobby at least threatened to support primary opponents against prolife Democrat candidates; friends of mine. At about the same time, the party began ignoring the really needy and absolutely abandoned working people. It was hard to take, but it was particularly hard to take when the only help to poor people, the Earned Income Credit, was proposed and passed by Reagan. By Reagan of all people!

(see next post)
 
Neither party has done a thing for poor people or working people since then. Is Trump’s formula for working people going to work? I have no idea. Trump wasn’t my first choice in the primary, or my second or my third. Personally, I don’t think he has an ideology at all. I just hope his supporters force him, if it takes that, to do more things like reinstating the Mexico City accords and letting the Little Sisters of the Poor off the hook, both of which he did. So I’m cautiously optimistic; not that he’ll somehow become a paragon of virtue, which I doubt, but that his supporters will make him undo some of the pro-abortion policies of the past administration.

So I never became a Republican. My wife and I just drifted away. At a class reunion later, I found that virtually all of my classmates had also abandoned the party. And it was always for the same reason.

I’m not proselytizing you for the Repubs here. As I said, I never joined that party. I’m just me now. I don’t encourage anybody to be a partisan nowadays. I just try to figure out who’s prolife, who’s pro-working people, who cares at least a little about the really needy in this society. And that’s who I support, but prolife is number one.

Would I have abandoned the party if it had continued to support the poor ad working people but had protection of abortion on demand in its platform? I can’t say for sure, but I don’t much think so.

Obviously, then, I’m not a good resource for justifying party loyalty. But I’ll add this. I have long thought that a series of resounding defeats based on its abortion policy might undo the Dem party’s single wedded devotion to abortion on demand and cause it to look back to its heritage for new policies. I don’t think the last election is enough to do it. But it might be a start.
 
TheLittleLady said:
Can you link me to the excommunication documents for these people?
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Certainly.
Catechism of the Catholic Church on Abortion
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm

2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,"77 "by the very commission of the offense,"78 and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.79 The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.
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Thank you for reading
 
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