Can Catholics be Democrats?

[Kei]

I guarantee to you that no political candidate you vote in unless he be the antichrist will bring the end of the world.
If you really think all candidates are evil and will cause problems, you don’t have to vote I think. But the massacre of the unborn is pretty bad.

Nottomentionsheessentiallydestroyedthemiddleeastandallsortsofothershadystuff.

Really, Clinton was like the worst presidential candidate ever. Had she been like 2nd worst, she probably would have won. But because she was the worst, she lost.

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

Murder is murder is murder is murder is murder is murder. Yeah, I’ll vote single-issue on that every time.

That is your prerogative.
I don’t share it.

One of the strengths of the faith Jesus taught was in its meekness. The faith he taught valued free will over compulsion – because that’s how love works. Compelling people to follow any religion, more or less your personal religion, stands over and against the way Jesus practiced his faith. If you are using the government to compel people to practice your spiritual beliefs, you might be the reason baby Jesus is crying. This does get tricky. There is a difference in letting your beliefs inform your political choices and letting your politics enforce your religion. This article is about the first part.

I follow the Bible as a whole. Not just the parts I like. I tend to follow the Pope. He did speak out against The Wall proposed by Trump. I took it as a warning shot across the bow. I also follow how Jesus will sort us on that day. Jesus gave us examples. Since I don’t abort babies or have not had baby aborted by a spouse or girl friend or assisted in an abortion then I am good.

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

I guess my question would be: Why would Democrats want to be Catholic? :crazy_face:

Just ask the majority of Catholics.

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[TheLittleLady]

If anyone thinks the Republican party wants to end all abortion, I have a bridge to sell you.

They keep tossing pro-lifers bones. Those bones contain giant loopholes that do nothing to stop abortion.

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

Source: New data suggest Clinton, not Trump, won Catholic vote | America Magazine

 

[SuperLuigi]

Sounds like Argumentum ad populum

 

[SuperLuigi]

Since I don’t abort babies or have not had baby aborted by a spouse or girl friend or assisted in an abortion then I am good.

So if you don’t own slaves, it’s fine for slavery to be legal?

I tend to follow the Pope. He did speak out against The Wall proposed by Trump.

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[SuperLuigi]

I lived in St. Francisville, Louisiana for 1989 to 1992 while working at Riverbend Nuclear Power Plant.

As soon as my co-workers saw my wife, they said to me: “Do not ever cross into Livingston Parish”. I asked why. They responded more or less the same: That Parish is 100% white and klan. They still kill non-whites who venture into their turf". I took them at face value.

I’ve had white friends who were shot at for being in the wrong neighborhood. Also were told about e-mails from a major union denying promotion based on race in a Church I once went to.

 

[upant]

He did speak out against The Wall proposed by Trump.

what is the immigration policy at the vatican

i guess that should be another thread

 

[upant]

Thanks! Glad to see we Democrats are still not letting the inmates run the asylum.

abortion isn’t the only problem with the democrat party.

how do you reconcile your catholic faith with these democratic platform items:

pre-marital sex
condoms and birth control
morning after pill on demand
gay marriage
government funded abortion
people have the right to marry the person they love.
lgbt rights trump religious freedom
transgender bathrooms and showers
contraception mandate against faith-based groups like little sisters of the poor
no role of religion in government
appoint pro-abortion judges
no or limited school choice
etc.

 

[Vonsalza]

Murder is murder is murder is murder is murder is murder. Yeah, I’ll vote single-issue on that every time.

How cheaply your vote was bought; with a dangling carrot you’ll never taste.

The majority of Americans are pro-choice and that majority is getting larger.

Vote long lines where your vote actually matters.

 

[Vonsalza]

If anyone thinks the Republican party wants to end all abortion, I have a bridge to sell you.

They keep tossing pro-lifers bones. Those bones contain giant loopholes that do nothing to stop abortion.

Preach it, Lady.

 

[Vonsalza]

JoshuaIsLord:

He did speak out against The Wall proposed by Trump.

what is the immigration policy at the vatican

i guess that should be another thread

I’ve been there. They let in 1000’s per day.

 

[upant]

upant:

how do you reconcile your catholic faith with these democratic platform items:

people have the right to marry the person they love.

I know that one is completely outrageous! How dare anybody do that!

islamic child marriages?
as applied to man on man?
mother marrying daughtger
etc?

yeah real innocent

 

[upant]

upant:

how do you reconcile your catholic faith with these democratic platform items:

no role of religion in government

And that’s a bad one, too! The guy who thought up “separation of church and state” must have been a long lost relative of Bernie Sanders!

why is saying a prayer before a government meeting wrong?
why is prayer at school wrong
why is having a statute of the 10 commandments outside a courthouse wrong?

 

[upant]

upant:

JoshuaIsLord:

He did speak out against The Wall proposed by Trump.

what is the immigration policy at the vatican

i guess that should be another thread

I’ve been there. They let in 1000’s per day.

how many do they let live there and take care of?
how many refugees has it taken in?

 

[Vonsalza]

how many do they let live there and take care of?

I wouldn’t think very many. Most aren’t coming for that purpose.

how many refugees has it taken in?

I dunno the full count. Here’s an article;

Vatican Takes In More Syrian Refugees, Following Pope Francis’ Lead

 

[Vonsalza]

why is saying a prayer before a government meeting wrong?

It’s not so much that it’s “wrong”.

It might take awhile if you let all the different faiths have their turn to pray. If evangelicals can pray, then I think Catholics ought to have a turn to say a proper prayer, then maybe let the Muslims have a quick call, then maybe a few Jews.

If one faith of the community is supported at the seat of secular governance, then all faiths of that community should too.

Naturally, this isn’t feasible. So have a private prayer with fellow believers beforehand and when the gavel drops and minutes start being taken, get to the business of secular governance. Or abolish secular governance.

why is prayer at school wrong
why is having a statute of the 10 commandments outside a courthouse wrong?

Same reason. By all means, let 'em have it before or after. And whatever facilities are made available to one interested faith group, similar facilities or the same facilities should be shared by all interested faith groups.

All men created equal.

 

[upant]

I dunno the full count. Here’s an article;

why not open borders like he wants the rest of us to have?

It might take awhile

nonsense, schedule a different group each day to lead the prayer.

Same reason.

again nonsense, give equal opportunity for other statutes.

All men created equal.

unless you are a conservative.

 

[Vonsalza]

why not open borders like he wants the rest of us to have?

Dial him up. 1-800-I-Da-Pope

nonsense, schedule a different group each day to lead the prayer.

“But the Lutherans got scheduled on the day they were handling the easement for the new synagogue! We, the Jews, should be doing it on that day!!!”

Yeah. That won’t create more headaches… Read up on the difficulty of sharing the Holy Sepulcher between all the claimant faiths. Fist-fights over a ladder? Fun times…

Pray beforehand. On your own time.

unless you are a conservative.

Only the conservatives who demand their faith be subscribed to by the secular government.