gamewell, you addressed the question to Ralph but you are responding to my quote. The source material which you claim ignorance of is from a legitimate Masonic source, again:
Duncan’s Masonic Ritual and Monitor. Here you can even swing a purchase on Amazon
amazon.com/Duncans-Ritual-Freemasonry-Malcolm-Duncan/dp/0679506268
No Masonic Lodge in North America has claimed Duncan illegitimate and, on the contrary, Masons who leave the Brotherhood echo that those are the oaths they made in each of the first degrees of Masonry. Duncan’s is from New York, your state.
Knights of Columbus are Catholic yes and they sometimes fulfill honourary roles inside Catholic Churches in greeting bishops, archbishops, or even Cardinals to one’s Catholic parish.
Catholics of course can join secular benevolent clubs available to all faiths but not ones like Freemasonry though which commit blasphemy in their oaths, have eliminated Jesus Christ from all prayers, which in York Rite gives God a Pagan Name, and which preaches Gnosticism, Naturalism, and basically Religious Gobbledygook inside a Masonic Temple - these were all findings found not just by the Catholics, but by the Lutheran Missouri Synod Church (which I linked), and increasingly in Anglicanism and was condemned also in a Methodist Church working group on Freemasonry. I can again give links if you wish.
So let’s look at other legitimate Masonic books for Masonic history. Robert Mackoy’s A Dictionary of Freemasons which teaches that the
Babylonish Captivity consists in the “Jews having fallen under the displeasure of the Almighty by deviating from
true Masonic principles.” Do you gamewell believe the Exile in the Bible occurred because the Jews had simply broken Masonic principles. Tell me, what Masonic principles had they broken as I know there were no Freemasonic Lodges in Judea or Babylon at the time.
Or Mackoy’s definition of “Apostate Masons” “It would be equally useless and vain to deny that we have occasionally found amongst ourselves individuals who have violated their solemn pledges, and
SINNED against the rites of the
MASONIC FAITH. Still it does not detract from the merit of the institution, anymore than the apostates, from Judas Iscariot who …failed the Christian religion”.
Beautiful touch. Apparently, one can now sin against Masonic Faith in the same way one sins against God. And this comes from a 33rd Degree Robert Macoy, widely regarded as authoratative, and who was Past Deputy Grand Master of New York (your state gameplan).
Do you disagree with these statements of an authorative Mason? That “sinning” against Masonic faith is akin to sinning against Christ.
Tell me again: Was there a Speculative Freemasonic Body at the Building of the Temple of Solomon? Masonry’s adepts believe this a fact, do you gamewell?
And on Freemasonry imposing oaths, the Kof C in contrast requires a fraternal pledge not oath. There is a big difference.
- An oath requires the oath-taker to invoke God to witness the promise being made, and subjects the oath-taker to God’s divine promise. This is evidenced by the phrase “I solemnly swear” and “so help me God.” The KofC does not have this language. Freemasonry does, because Masonry uses oaths, not pledges.
- The Masonic oaths are not read to the candidate in advance, so he really doesn’t know what he will be required to promise. The KofC pledge is read to the candidate in advance.
- Freemasonry’s oaths are also imposed with self-curses (having my throat cut across, and my tongue torn out, etc.) These self-curses mean that the candidate is worthy of the mutilation and death that the penalties symbolize if he ever fails to keep his oath. This also means that Freemasonry takes its business very seriously - they can’t just call their organization a social club, otherwise they wouldn’t require oaths with self-curses. If they say its all a joke, then they are calling God to witness a lie, which is blasphemous. This also makes their search for godliness and morality also a joke.
(from Salza).
That’s the difference between K of C and Freemasonry.
Tell me again, was there a Free masonic Body at the building of the Temple of Solomon and do you believe Hiram Abif to be a true character involved and murdered therein? And do you agree the Ancient Jews fell into Babylonian Captivity as the Masonic Dictionary attests because they broke Masonic principles? What Masonic principles were there at the time of the Exile or for that matter what Freemasonic body existed at the building of the Temple of Solomon? No legitimate historian of the ancient world in his right mind would claim what is being claimed by Masonic authorities.
Is it fishing or hunting season now?
. So when do the other masonic brothers swarm in. I aint seen them in a while either on the boards.
No on Freemasonry one guy on this thread came in on Knights Templar-Masonic continuities being the source of Catholicism’s rejection of Freemasonry. I mean even a Masonic author of an authoritative book laughed at the fantasy of Templar to Freemason evolution.