Can Catholics Vote Democrat?

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Wow, how mad are you going to be when Hillary wins in 2016? 😉

Republicans want Obama to fail more than they want America to succeed. This is why so many Catholics vote Democrat and will continue to.
Well I have to admit that is a new one. Democrat Catholics vote to support evil because Republicans want Obama to fail.We might have to add that one to the list!
 
Wow, how mad are you going to be when Hillary wins in 2016? 😉

Republicans want Obama to fail more than they want America to succeed. This is why so many Catholics vote Democrat and will continue to.
Wow, how mad are you about Texas, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Louisiana, ;);

Closing down the sacrerd cow of the party with abortion in its plaform, Planned Parenthood Clinics.
 
Republicans want Obama to fail more than they want America to succeed.
Just to be clear, Republicans want Obama to fail so that America can succeed.

If you want what’s best for America, and you see a politician’s agenda as being bad for America, of course you will want that politician to fail in implementing that agenda!
 
Well I have to admit that is a new one. Democrat Catholics vote to support evil because Republicans want Obama to fail.We might have to add that one to the list!
How could you forget the “it’s Bush’s fault” and “because Republican’s are racist” excuses? Come on bob, get with the program. 😉
 
How could you forget the “it’s Bush’s fault” and “because Republican’s are racist” excuses? Come on bob, get with the program. 😉
Which can all be summarizesdas :

“Abortion will remain legal in this country until Catholic Democrats come to love the unborn more than they hate the GOP”
 
If the RCC tells people that they can’t vote for a Democrat, then won’t they lose their tax exempt status?
 
If the RCC tells people that they can’t vote for a Democrat, then won’t they lose their tax exempt status?
I often think the Church should drop their tax exempt status so they could preach the truth without fear of political repercussion
 
If the RCC tells people that they can’t vote for a Democrat, then won’t they lose their tax exempt status?
They are not going to say that you cannot vote for a democrat because the Church does not teach that it is always and everywhere wrong to vote for a democrat. It really has nothing to do with their tax exempt status.
 
I often think the Church should drop their tax exempt status so they could preach the truth without fear of political repercussion
So you really think the GOP is the party of truth, with their wishes to cut public programs that help the needy, ties with big businesses, lack of concern for the God’s earth and preservation, lack of concern over the huge gun violence issue, etc.?
 
They are not going to say that you cannot vote for a democrat because the Church does not teach that it is always and everywhere wrong to vote for a democrat. It really has nothing to do with their tax exempt status.
But they can’t endorse a candidate.
 
If the RCC tells people that they can’t vote for a Democrat, then won’t they lose their tax exempt status?
The IRS would not allow it to get to the Supreme Court. Many law scholars think the SCOTUS would throughout the LBJ clause of 1954.

But put my name of the list of thinking the Church should pay taxes like everyone else so there would be no strings attached. Any there are tax breaks there will be rules and regulations controlling what can and cannot be done.
 
So you really think the GOP is the party of truth, with their wishes to cut public programs that help the needy, ties with big businesses, lack of concern for the God’s earth and preservation, lack of concern over the huge gun violence issue, etc.?
I think that is the Caricature of the Republican party Catholic democrats use to try and rationalize supporting abject evil.
 
So you really think the GOP is the party of truth, with their wishes to cut public programs that help the needy, ties with big businesses, lack of concern for the God’s earth and preservation, lack of concern over the huge gun violence issue, etc.?
I think you missed this, Bob is saying the Church is the preacher of the truth, not the GOP.
 
Tax exempt or not, I do not think we would want to endorse candidates. At least I would hope not.
Seems like 90% of this forum would love for the RCC to come out and endorse GOP candidates. I would be surprised if some people in here wouldn’t be happy if the Church straight up excommunicated Democrats.
 
Seems like 90% of this forum would love for the RCC to come out and endorse GOP candidates. I would be surprised if some people in here wouldn’t be happy if the Church straight up excommunicated Democrats.
I would be happy if Catholics quit voting for pro abortion canidates
 
Wow, nearly 1800 posts in 25 days. That’s pretty amazing.

I am fiscally conservative. In my opinion, the government really does nothing well and they don’t need more money with which to prove this. As far as caring for the poor and other social programs, see above. The part about the government doing nothing well. If the government got out of the way and left that money in the hands of those that earned it, it would end up being funneled into charities. I think they would do a better job.

I cannot vote for a candidate that supports or did support abortion. In the last presidential election, I didn’t vote for either one. It’s not really better to choose the lesser of two evils. The lesser of two evils is still evil.

If you look at the percentage of the population that is Catholic in various states, it isn’t hard to imagine that the United States could ban abortion if the Catholics wanted that to happen. Draw your own conclusions.
 
Can you show us any teaching of the church that backs your opinion?
The Church teaches that we should have a well developed conscience. Since in good conscience I cannot support the use of secular authority to force a women to remain in a state of pregnancy against her will - and thereby robbing her of her fundamental right to personal autonomy, I have no alternative but to oppose any politician or law that seeks to do just that. This is a position I came to through careful consideration and weighing of different arguments. It is not an opinion the Church teaches, it is a personal opinion.

On the other hand, I would also oppose any politician or law that seeks to encourage or facilitate abortion as a solution to social problems. I would also support actions by the state that would to reduce the likelihood that a woman would seek an abortion. I believe Church would support both of those positions.

Another contributor to this forum wanted to dismiss my argument as an example of “pluralism” (i.e., “I personally don’t agree with the evil but I don’t feel I can prohibit you from that action”.) Actually, the issue is not whether I “can” or “can not” prohibit something, but rather whether I "should’ or “should not” prohibit it. Anyone with enough muscle or weapons can prohibit whatever they please. They may even believe they are justified in doing so, but that doesn’t mean anything. I am certain that the militants in Iraq believe they are justified in what they are doing.

The whole problem with the abortion debate is that it is often set up in a way that forces a person to make a choice between two bad options: either violate a woman’s rights or allow a child’s rights to be violated. I see that as a false choice. There are many things a person can do that does not require him to violate anyone rights or sit idly by while another person’s rights are violated. Unfortunately, both Republicans and Democrats lack the political will to engage in the kind of discussion that could actually go beyond the false choice narrative in a constructive manner.
 
The Church teaches that we should have a well developed conscience. Since in good conscience I cannot support the use of secular authority to force a women to remain in a state of pregnancy against her will - and thereby robbing her of her fundamental right to personal autonomy, I have no alternative but to oppose any politician or law that seeks to do just that. This is a position I came to through careful consideration and weighing of different arguments. It is not an opinion the Church teaches, it is a personal opinion.

On the other hand, I would also oppose any politician or law that seeks to encourage or facilitate abortion as a solution to social problems. I would also support actions by the state that would to reduce the likelihood that a woman would seek an abortion. I believe Church would support both of those positions.

Another contributor to this forum wanted to dismiss my argument as an example of “pluralism” (i.e., “I personally don’t agree with the evil but I don’t feel I can prohibit you from that action”.) Actually, the issue is not whether I “can” or “can not” prohibit something, but rather whether I "should’ or “should not” prohibit it. Anyone with enough muscle or weapons can prohibit whatever they please. They may even believe they are justified in doing so, but that doesn’t mean anything. I am certain that the militants in Iraq believe they are justified in what they are doing.

The whole problem with the abortion debate is that it is often set up in a way that forces a person to make a choice between two bad options: either violate a woman’s rights or allow a child’s rights to be violated. I see that as a false choice. There are many things a person can do that does not require him to violate anyone rights or sit idly by while another person’s rights are violated. Unfortunately, both Republicans and Democrats lack the political will to engage in the kind of discussion that could actually go beyond the false choice narrative in a constructive manner.
The good book says “Thou shalt not kill”.
 
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