Can Catholics Vote Democrat?

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I’m offended by the way it is used – to lambast “pro-choice” candidate. And it wasn’t that picture, so much as this poster:

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Im offended that a woman would promote aborting a child-especially that far along in development. How can a Catholic support a candidate who cant even bring themselves to oppose abortions after 20 weeks? Think about it-she filibustered and killed a bill that would have forbidden killing a baby like this:

http://www.babycenter.com/i/m/stages/popups/20/index.jpg
 
Using that picture to suggesting Wendy Davis is somehow anti-baby is pretty offensive. “Pro-choice” is not the same thing as “pro-abortion”; it is a stance does not want to put women who have abortions in prison. Considering that they sometimes rape women in prison and do not provide amenities like soap down here in Texas, unless the prisoners pay for it, and give strict vegetarians food they cannot eat so they end up eating just crackers and water,** I really don’t want to put them in prison either.**

Now just put the world in that womb picture to understand what Abbott would be aborting, including promoting miscarriages, stillbirths, birth defects, killing of adults and the elderly, as well as harming and killing children and fetuses.

It’s a matter of the lesser of 2 evils
. And if Wendy is a true Democrat, then she should be in favor of helping the poor and helping women, which may end up reducing abortions more than what Abbott could do by working to make it illegal. (Making abortions illegal does not mean they will cease.)
Intentionally killing an innocent human being; born or unborn, 1 or 91, birth defects or none is ALWAYS EVIL and is NEVER the lesser of 2 evils. Outside of satanic worship, there is NOTHING more evil than intentionally killing innocent people.

You say you don’t want to put women in jail for having an illegal abortion… Fine. Give them a choice. They serve 3 months in jail starting 1 month after conviction or pay a $250,000 fine (with possible payment plan). If the only way to make women come to the Pro Life camp is to lessen punshiment for an illegal abortion… let’s do it. We all know that most women who commit abortion are hurting. But if a doctor does an illegal abortion, throw the book at him/her. Jail time plus $1,000,000 fine.
 
Im offended that a woman would promote aborting a child-especially that far along in development. How can a Catholic support a candidate who cant even bring themselves to oppose abortions after 20 weeks? Think about it-she filibustered and killed a bill that would have forbidden killing a baby like this:

http://www.babycenter.com/i/m/stages/popups/20/index.jpg
Anyone who thinks it’s ok to kill a baby at this stage (let alone any stage) is unfit to be a parent.
 
I was raised a Republican (Protestant) – my parents considered themselves small business Lincoln/Teddy Roosevelt Republicans. By the time I got to voting age I ended up voting against Nixon and have voted Democrat ever since (even tho it turns out Nixon was so much better than the Republicans that followed him…at the national presidential level).

My main issue has always been pro-life, with fighting racism next in importance, and then economic justice issues (these too can impact people’s life chances and dignity as human beings).

Because I was a young woman when abortions were illegal and many women I knew or knew of were getting illegal abortions, I honestly don’t think making abortion illegal will end abortion, tho it might reduce it. I tend to favor “carrot” approaches over “stick” approaches to this complex problem – helping women and their children, having a bigger safety net for them, so women can with confidence have their children, knowing they will not fall thru the cracks. The Republicans in our state (and elsewhere) are pretty much against helping in this way, and have even taken such help away from such women and children, pushing them from poverty into desperate destitution. This is not even good for the economy, if that’s what they think they are trying to beef up by making the poor poorer.

Now my pro-life stance is much broader than medical abortions, and includes being against killing and harming people in other ways as well. I am esp keen about ways in which I might be harming and killing others…such as thru environmental harms, so I have made it a point to study and investigate these. The more I find, the more I realize we are basically in process of “aborting the world,” including babies and the unborn.

And tho Nixon was excellent on environmental issues (I found out much later), the other Republicans at the national presidential level are pretty bad. McCain was fine…until he got Sarah Pallin as his running mate, who would be a heart-beat away from being prez.

Now most Dems are not very good on environmental issues either, at least the ones who have made it past the primaries. (I really campaigned heavily for Jerry Brown against Clinton in 1992). All I can say is they are much much better in general than the Republicans. (I’ve known of some Republicans at local levels who are really excellent.)

I think the real problem seems to me is the American people – those who deny there are any environmental problems, or consider them minor and not worthy of addressing. The candidates have to speak to their base, and the Republican base is on the whole (in my thinking) either lacking in knowledge or lacking in concern, favor greed over life, except for some lip-service re abortion, that just doesn’t ring true to me.

I’m now having to choose between Abbott (R) and Wendy Davis (D) for gov of Texas. Abbott has had a pathological hatred for the EPA for many years – his platform it to “rein in the EPA.” And Texas in general thumbs its nose at the EPA and allows its residents to drink unsafe water with high alpha radiation levels (telling them the water is safe) and fracking fluids, and breathe unsafe air, and allows contamination to invade people’s property and just stay there forever, without any thought to clean it up. The testing the TCEQ (= EPA at the state level) does is biased against finding any problems – they “randomly” sample areas where they are sure not to find anything and say “no problem.” Since the gov appoints the TCEQ administrator, the gov position is extremely important.

Bec of our Republican-run state people are dying, getting leukemia, etc. This is like the Wild West of contaminate and kill first and do fallacious, flawed studies later, and let global warming wreak havoc thru increased droughts, floods, hurricanes, and sea rise. Texas has so much wind and sun, it could probably go on 90% alt energy, if it put its mind to it. If Germany with much less sun and wind can go 75% alt energy, we certainly could go above that. But the whole thing boils down to oil and drill-baby-drill and frack the state to smithereens.

Now Wendy Davis is infamous for striving to prevent anti-abortion laws in Texas, and she doesn’t have much to say about environmental issues (I think she’s afraid of the anti-environmental Texans and losing their votes). Her platform is pro-education – but who isn’t pro-education.

I’ll probably be voting against Abbott, who would abort the world, and for “abortion Barbie” (one of the campaign ads against Davis). I would hope that Davis’s carrot approaches would more significantly reduce abortion than anything Abbott might do, and that she would appoint pro-environment (that is pro-life) people who would strive to reduce environmental harms and save lives.
If this is how you feel, then you are better off NOT VOTING for either. Save your soul and don’t vote.
 
Anyone who thinks it’s ok to kill a baby at this stage (let alone any stage) is unfit to be a parent.
It is particularly repugnant that Ms. Davis could not even bring herself to support a 20 week cutoff. Then she went on TV and declared she was pro-life. How Orwellian is that!?

She also famously mocked her paraplegic opponent by saying he “hasn’t walked a day in my shoes.”
 
I’ll probably be voting against Abbott, who would abort the world, and for “abortion Barbie” (one of the campaign ads against Davis). I would hope that Davis’s carrot approaches would more significantly reduce abortion than anything Abbott might do, and that she would appoint pro-environment (that is pro-life) people who would strive to reduce environmental harms and save lives.
I’m sure that vote will sway the election in the Lone Star state!
 
For 35 years I’ve watched thousands of good Catholic laypeople, clergy and religious struggle to recover some form of legal protection for the unborn child. The abortion lobby has fought every compromise and every legal restriction on abortion, every step of the way. Apparently they believe in their convictions more than some of us Catholics believe in ours. And I think that’s an indictment of an entire generation of American Catholic leadership.The abortion conflict has never simply been about repealing Roe v. Wade. And the many pro-lifers I know live a much deeper kind of discipleship than ‘‘single issue’’ politics. But they do understand that the cornerstone of Catholic social teaching is protecting human life from conception to natural death. They do understand that every other human right depends on the right to life. They did not and do not and will not give up - and they won’t be lied to.

So I think that people who claim that the abortion struggle is ‘‘lost’’ as a matter of law,** or that supporting an outspoken defender of legal abortion is somehow ‘‘prolife,**’’ are not just wrong; they’re betraying the witness of every person who continues the work of defending the unborn child. And I hope they know how to explain that, because someday they’ll be required to.

Archbishop Charles Chaput
 
Wow! Just wow! I can’t imagine any Catholic ever voting for Abortion Barbie, Wendy Davis. She is the face of evil, filibustering to advocate for unsafe, dirty conditions in abortion clinics as well as the right to abort up to 24 weeks. She also opposed requiring abortion physicians to have admitting privileges at a local hospital! Hospitals can’t legally deny privileges to a physician- unless there is GOOD reason- and performing abortions isn’t considered good reason. So, basically, she advocates for dirty, unclean clinics, poor doctors and infanticide. We won’t even go into her personal history, which is shockingly awful. I will be voting for Abbott, but if for some reason I was unable to vote for him, I wouldn’t vote. Rather save my soul than cast a vote for such darkness. And I’m an independent- voting for those who uphold Catholic teaching. I never vote a straight party ticket and usually vote for many Democrats.
 
** 63% of Babies Aborted in Texas Are Black or Hispanic; Annual Total Exceeds Population of Galveston **
Black babies were aborted in Texas at more than twice the rate of blacks in the state’s population. According to the Census Bureau, 12.3 percent of the people in Texas are black. However, 24.8 percent of the babies aborted in Texas were black.
Hispanic babies were aborted in Texas at a rate approximately equal to the rate of Hispanics in the Texas population. According to the Census Bureau, 38.2 percent of the people in Texas are Hispanic. According to the CDC, 38.3 percent of the babies aborted in Texas were Hispanic.
Demographics always needs to be remembered. I sure wouldn’t want to be supporting these kinds of stats.
 
While the Republican party isn’t perfect, i would never vote for a Democratic candidate, they support Abortion as a fundamental human right, if that isn’t evil, i don’t know what is.

I never could understand why a Catholic would think that being Democrat is okay, almost everything they support is only due to it being popular at whatever moment in time, then once its unpopular they will contradict themselves by denouncing it and saying they never participated in it.
 
That would be the legislation they are aiming for. Illegal means one has to go to prison and/or pay a fine. Even the mildest offense here in Texas, a Class C Misdemeanor can carry a jail sentence as well as a fine.

I’m offended by the way it is used – to lambast “pro-choice” candidate. And it wasn’t that picture, so much as this poster:

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...ogressive,q_80,w_636/b9hngznulpkiym3roaxv.png

It was that poster that really settled it for me – to vote against Abbott (and by default for Wendy). I hate abortions and I hate dirty politics. I’m pretty sure Wendy will be reducing more abortions than poison-all-Texans (esp the poor and minorities) Abbott. He appears to me to be a maniac set on deregulating environmental laws, allowing people to be poisoned, and for those laws he cannot deregulate fast enough, putting people in charge who will commit fraud and cover up the problems…as they did with alpha radiation in the Houston drinking water, and several other atrocities I know of.

I could never ever vote for such a pro-death candidate.

While there are some good Republicans to me the Republican party (which is not longer the party of Lincoln or Teddy Roosevelt) is a super-pro-death party.
If this is one of Abbott’s posters, I will agree with anyone who says it’s in poor taste.

But poor taste is hardly a counter to promotion of killing the unborn. Voting for a pro-abortion candidate makes a person just as complicit as the person who hands the knife to the “doctor” who performs it.
 
If this is one of Abbott’s posters, I will agree with anyone who says it’s in poor taste.

But poor taste is hardly a counter to promotion of killing the unborn. Voting for a pro-abortion candidate makes a person just as complicit as the person who hands the knife to the “doctor” who performs it.
Abbott had nothing to do with them. The posters were displayed by protestors at a California Fundraiser for Davis. They were commissioned by a San Antonio woman named Kathryn Stuard.

The latest polls, BTW, have her 17 points down.
 
I was wondering if it’s ok for Catholics to vote Democrat? I know that the Democrats are more in favor of abortion, but that doesn’t they don’t do other things that help our country. If anyone on here is Catholic and a Democrat what advice do you have?

I’m an Independent, but unfortunately third parties rarely get votes.
Here’s the determining factor. If they support one of these five issues, whether Democrat, Republican, or other then the answer should be no.

Five Non-Negotiables:

Abortion
Euthanasia
Embryonic stem-cell research
Human cloning
Same-sex “marriage
 
It would certainly not be a wise move for Pope Francis or any pope to issue voting guidelines for U.S. Catholics. What has happened to draw Catholics away from the Democratic party is that for the past twenty years or more, the party has taken official positions increasingly opposed to Catholic–and human–moral values.
54% of Catholics voted for Obama. Those Catholics put him in office.:mad:
 
For 35 years I’ve watched thousands of good Catholic laypeople, clergy and religious struggle to recover some form of legal protection for the unborn child. The abortion lobby has fought every compromise and every legal restriction on abortion, every step of the way. Apparently they believe in their convictions more than some of us Catholics believe in ours. And I think that’s an indictment of an entire generation of American Catholic leadership.The abortion conflict has never simply been about repealing Roe v. Wade. And the many pro-lifers I know live a much deeper kind of discipleship than ‘‘single issue’’ politics. But they do understand that the cornerstone of Catholic social teaching is protecting human life from conception to natural death. They do understand that every other human right depends on the right to life. They did not and do not and will not give up - and they won’t be lied to.

So I think that people who claim that the abortion struggle is ‘‘lost’’ as a matter of law,** or that supporting an outspoken defender of legal abortion is somehow ‘‘prolife,**’’ are not just wrong; they’re betraying the witness of every person who continues the work of defending the unborn child. And I hope they know how to explain that, because someday they’ll be required to.

Archbishop Charles Chaput
That’s my archbishop!!! 😃
 
I’m now having to choose between Abbott (R) and Wendy Davis (D) for gov of Texas. Abbott has had a pathological hatred for the EPA for many years – his platform it to “rein in the EPA.” And Texas in general thumbs its nose at the EPA and allows its residents to drink unsafe water with high alpha radiation levels (telling them the water is safe)…
Concern about radiated water is another example of induced hysteria to which the EPA has contributed no small share. It’s important to note that the radiation levels in the drinking water are extremely low, on the order of parts per trillion. However, as KHOU reports, the tendency among environmental health experts and the EPA, is to regard any level as potentially dangerous to human health.
texasobserver.org/investigation-finds-radiation-in-texas-drinking-water/
The idea that “any level” of radiation is dangerous is on the order of claiming there are monsters under our beds. We are ourselves radioactive, which would make going to a church filled with human radiators itself a dangerous and harmful practice…if the “radiation is dangerous” meme was in any sense valid. Even the EPA can’t come up with anything scarier than this:***Some **people who drink water containing alpha emitters in excess of the MCL over many years **may *have an increased risk of getting cancer.
water.epa.gov/drink/contaminants/basicinformation/radionuclides.cfm
This is the same mentality that led to the ban on saccharin in the 70’s. Fed saccharin equivalent to what is found in a case of soda a day for years, some mice developed cancers. Wow. This is another Alar scam. It seems there is no limit to the receptiveness of the public to uncritically accept scary stories. Does the EPA need to be “reined in”? Yeah, pretty much.

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