Can Catholics Vote Democrat?

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Mulligan2 said:
I didn’t think Pope Francis had issued anything like this. Thank you for verifying.
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So if Pope Francis has not made a public comment about one of those issues, as Pope, and not prior, then all of the teachings of the magisterium that would help one to properly form their conscience don’t count? Does every new Pope need to restate the entire body of truth in order for it to be considered valid in your mind? Help me understand where you are coming from on this.

By the way, POPE Francis did say the following (emphasis mine):
“We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that. But when we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in a context. The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time."

It certainly seems Francis is affirming what has already been taught on these subjects, and thus does not have to re-state everything.

Here is the entire document:
thinkingfaith.org/articles/20130919_1.htm
 
Ridgerunner said:
If this is one of Abbott’s posters, I will agree with anyone who says it’s in poor taste.

But poor taste is hardly a counter to promotion of killing the unborn. Voting for a pro-abortion candidate makes a person just as complicit as the person who hands the knife to the “doctor” who performs it.
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How sad that someone would be more offended by a poster than a politician who would filibuster for the right to unlimited abortion.

DGB
 
It seems to me that Catholics who vote for Democrats might justify their decision based on what they consider other issues that are proportionate to abortion, like war, global warming, immigration, etc.

I just wanted to say that there are 1.2 million abortions in the US every year. In a single president’s term, that totals 4.8 million dead babies. I would challenge any Catholic who chooses to vote for a pro-abortion rights / pro-choice / etc. democratic candidate to ask themselves, “what is proportionate to 4.8 million dead babies?”
 
How quickly we forget. About a century and a half ago we had the “Know Nothing” nativeists who were opposed to immigration and frankly treated the Irish and Eastern Europeans like dirt. Specially Irish.

But now most Irish vote for the Republi party over the only issue that comes even close to mattering…abortion.

Today the Republi party is much like the “Know Nothings” on the issue of immigration. Just ship 'um out, back to the horrible conditions these children came from.

The county I live in is not Republi, they are to a man Tea Party.
Even though they make noise about abortion, the only thing that matters is the ‘ahl bidness’, oil business. And I think maybe that is the only thing that really matters in America, Texas for sure.

Fracking is having a holiday here. And the environment is the enemy. Our county buries most of the nuclear trash from the nation right in the county.

Graft (although it can be done by both parties) is rife here. About a year ago their was a truck bypass (loop) built here. It cost many millions and of course it was poorly built, and closed the next month.

I can not in good conscience vote for the Tea Party. If control is wrested form the Tea Party, then and only then will I vote Republi again.
 
andrewstx said:
How quickly we forget. About a century and a half ago we had the “Know Nothing” nativeists who were opposed to immigration and frankly treated the Irish and Eastern Europeans like dirt. Specially Irish.

But now most Irish vote for the Republi party over the only issue that comes even close to mattering…abortion.

Today the Republi party is much like the “Know Nothings” on the issue of immigration. Just ship 'um out, back to the horrible conditions these children came from.

The county I live in is not Republi, they are to a man Tea Party.
Even though they make noise about abortion, the only thing that matters is the ‘ahl bidness’, oil business. And I think maybe that is the only thing that really matters in America, Texas for sure.

Fracking is having a holiday here. And the environment is the enemy. Our county buries most of the nuclear trash from the nation right in the county.

Graft (although it can be done by both parties) is rife here. About a year ago their was a truck bypass (loop) built here. It cost many millions and of course it was poorly built, and closed the next month.

I can not in good conscience vote for the Tea Party. If control is wrested form the Tea Party, then and only then will I vote Republi again.
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One really needs to realize that the Tea Party is not a single entity and not all values are shared by all. Around here, Tea Partiers are against higher taxes and increased government regulation, but aren’t unitary in much of anything else.

The general populace in my area, however, is rock-ribbed conservative in just about everything. So to be a “party Repub” here is quite likely to be to the right of Tea Party people.
 
andrewstx said:
How quickly we forget. About a century and a half ago we had the “Know Nothing” nativeists who were opposed to immigration and frankly treated the Irish and Eastern Europeans like dirt. Specially Irish.

But now most Irish vote for the Republi party over the only issue that comes even close to mattering…abortion.

Today the Republi party is much like the “Know Nothings” on the issue of immigration. Just ship 'um out, back to the horrible conditions these children came from.

The county I live in is not Republi, they are to a man Tea Party.
Even though they make noise about abortion, the only thing that matters is the ‘ahl bidness’, oil business. And I think maybe that is the only thing that really matters in America, Texas for sure.

Fracking is having a holiday here. And the environment is the enemy. Our county buries most of the nuclear trash from the nation right in the county.

Graft (although it can be done by both parties) is rife here. About a year ago their was a truck bypass (loop) built here. It cost many millions and of course it was poorly built, and closed the next month.

I can not in good conscience vote for the Tea Party. If control is wrested form the Tea Party, then and only then will I vote Republi again.
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Well have to add that to list
"I dont like the Tea Petty, therefore its ok for me to vote for a viruntely pro abortion canfidate
 
Here is another one for your list
I don’t think I should vote for someone who feels their job is to fail at governing.
 
estesbob said:
Well have to add that to list
"I dont like the Tea Petty, therefore its ok for me to vote for a viruntely pro abortion canfidate
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I don’t think I said that. Where did I say that?

I don’t think abortion is the only thing that counts, even though I am %100 opposed to abortion.

How can a group of people who support the death penalty call themselves “pro life” with a straight face?

How can people who never saw a war they didn’t love call themselves ‘pro life’?

No, I follow the late Cardinal Bernadin’s philosophy on a CONSISTENT pro life policy.
 
estesbob said:
I think Archbishop Chaput has a Red Hat in his future
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I will be shocked if he’s not named this winter.

Cardinal Rigali is currently 79 and turns 80 on April 19th.

There are plenty of examples (Cardinal Dolan for one) where Cardinal Egan turned 80 in April in 2012 when Cardinal Dolan was named.
 
shockerfan said:
Not sure what this means…can you elaborate?
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Sure. People who do not believe in government should a) not run and b) if they run, should not be voted for. No matter what party they are in.

I am always amazed that people are surprised that electing anti-government types results in a non-working government.
 
sallybutler said:
Sure. People who do not believe in government should a) not run and b) if they run, should not be voted for. No matter what party they are in.

I am always amazed that people are surprised that electing anti-government types results in a non-working government.
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Please give us a list of names of persons in elected office “who do not believe in government”.
 
MJE said:
Please give us a list of names of persons in elected office “who do not believe in government”.
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The House of Representatives. Sorry I’m not Sally bbut felt I had to say that.
 
I’m now having to choose between Abbott (R) and Wendy Davis (D) for gov of Texas. Abbott has had a pathological hatred for the EPA for many years – his platform it to “rein in the EPA.” And Texas in general thumbs its nose at the EPA and allows its residents to drink unsafe water with high alpha radiation levels (telling them the water is safe) and fracking fluids, and breathe unsafe air, and allows contamination to invade people’s property and just stay there forever, without any thought to clean it up. The testing the TCEQ (= EPA at the state level) does is biased against finding any problems – they “randomly” sample areas where they are sure not to find anything and say “no problem.” Since the gov appoints the TCEQ administrator, the gov position is extremely important.
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Sounds like a lot of left-wing propaganda.
  1. Man-made global warming is largely a hoax designed to make getting grants easier for researches as opposed to solving real problems.
  2. The planet has been cooling.
I know of dozens of environmental groups that have filed suit against President Obama’s EPA because they won’t enforce rules on coal companies in areas dependent on democrat & union votes.
Bec of our Republican-run state people are dying, getting leukemia, etc.
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:rotfl:

People are dying of those things in blue states. Must be the democrat’s fault.
Texas has so much wind and sun, it could probably go on 90% alt energy, if it put its mind to it.
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It could, but then energy prices would soar and power outages may be more common.

Think of the older minority women in Houston and El Paso without air conditioning.

Or let me guess----they need to be sacrificed on the altar of global warming so certain professors can get grants and look good in the right circles?

Pretty self-absorbed.
If Germany with much less sun and wind can go 75% alt energy, we certainly could go above that.
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Many in Germany are looking to get out of the alternative energy business. Much of its public is up in arms over the high energy prices.
Now Wendy Davis is infamous for striving to prevent anti-abortion laws in Texas, and she doesn’t have much to say about environmental issues (I think she’s afraid of the anti-environmental Texans and losing their votes). Her platform is pro-education – but who isn’t pro-education.
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That’s correct. Davis knows that the energy business is successful in Texas.

Her supporters have also made fun of Abbot for being a wheelchair demonstrating yet even more that liberal compassion.
I’ll probably be voting against Abbott, who would abort the world, and for “abortion Barbie” (one of the campaign ads against Davis). I would hope that Davis’s carrot approaches would more significantly reduce abortion than anything Abbott might do, and that she would appoint **pro-environment (that is pro-life) **people who would strive to reduce environmental harms and save lives.
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:ehh:

Pro-environment people are not generally pro-life. They think we need population control for the sake of the environment which means abortion and contraception. Countries with low birth rates aren’t even getting smaller; they in many cases just importing people who hate democracy and disrespect or altogether hate that nation’s culture.

I would like to say I can’t believe the left can’t see the writing on all, but the reality is I do.

As an environmental scientist, I find environmental group’s stance offensive and it shows a lack of trust in broader sustainable initiatives. The often show a lack of interest and respect towards science especially when it goes against their agenda, which is not so much to help the environment but to make themselves look and feel good and get Democrats elected.
 
Anyone who agrees with Grover Norquist’s statement “I’m not in favor of abolishing the government. I just want to shrink it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.”

Anyone who says I reject the word compromise (Boehner)

Anyone who filibusters themself (McConnell).
 
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