Can Catholics Vote Democrat?

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ringil said:
My proportionate reasons are usually every other issue except Abortion, and same sex-marriage, as I disagree with nearly every stance taken by a politician (at least a hard-line one) identified as Conservative.
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Excuse # 8.

EXCUSES FOR VOTING FOR PRO-ABORTION POLITICIANS
  1. National Republicans aren’t “really” pro-life, so it’s okay if I vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
  2. Specific candidate isn’t “really” pro-life, or I don’t believe his supposed change of belief, so it’s okay if I vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
  3. My deacon/priest/bishop/cardinal told me or wrote me a letter telling me it was okay to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  4. I’m not a one-issue voter, so I can ignore the Church’s teaching and vote for the virulently pro-abortion politician.
  5. Republicans (at any level) have not passed enough pro-life laws (as decided by me), so I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  6. Republicans (at any level) have not had enough success on pro-life issues (as decided by me), so I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  7. Roe vs. Wade is still the law of the land even though most Supreme Court justices were appointed by the Republicans, therefore Republicans aren’t serious about abortion, so I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  8. I found a Church document that mentioned proportionate reasons in voting, so I personally judged support for a higher minimum wage (or other social justice cause) was on equal footing with abortion, and I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  9. I personally believe that Democratic policies will reduce abortions, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  10. We can’t do anything about abortion until we change the hearts and minds of the people, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  11. You can’t legislate morality, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  12. People will still have abortions even if you make them illegal, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  13. We can’t end abortion until we address the root causes, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  14. I can’t impose my beliefs on other people, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  15. There isn’t any difference between the parties, so it is okay for me to vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
 
ringil said:
You cannot vote for a candidate because they are Pro-Choice but you may in-spite of that stance if your conscience tells you that proportionally the Pro-Choice Candidate is the batter choice.

For me and for many- voting for a Democrat can be a valid option.
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I at least respect you for being honest about your stance. I don’t agree with your disobeying Church teaching, but at least you’re honest about it.
 
A further response to OP, the answer is “yes” but IF you do your homework. You have to examine the candidates and do some digging on how they stand on what we consider intrinsic evils.
I can think of one, retired now, Representative that I would have supported, Rebecca Hamilton (OK-D). She is pro-life all the way.
The same goes for Republicans. Some may be for abortion, euthanasia, “gay” marriage.
You have to do your homework. You have to be aware that some claim they are pro-life but that only applies to them personally (Pelosi).
I would not join the Democratic party. Likewise, because of the behavior of Republicans, I have not formally joined their party. The Tea Party was promising but what is going on in my area has left me with a bitter taste in my mouth (bullying).
The Faithful Citizenship stopped short of saying you must/must not vote for this party because you have to form your own conscience with the teachings. Conform yourselves to God. There are times when we are faced with no good options and we still can strive to do our best. We pray. We ask questions. We look and see how they are acting (voting record).
Again, a pro-life (real) Democrat is possible so the answer could be “yes” IF you do your homework.
Now, joining parties is another issue altogether and my hat is off to the pro-life Democrats who remain with them in hope of changing them.
 
From todays Office Of Readings:

Then I said:
Listen now, you princes of the House of Jacob,
rulers of the House of Israel.
Are you not the ones who should know what is right,
you, enemies of good and friends of evil?
When they have devoured the flesh of my people
and torn off their skin
and crushed their bones;
when they have shredded them like flesh in a pot
and like meat in a cauldron,
then they will cry out to the Lord.
But he will not answer them.
He will hide his face at that time
because of all the crimes they have committed.

Micah 3:1-5
 
Dawnia said:
I find this statement hilarious. The Republicans hold the majority of the House, almost 1/2 of the Senate, 30 of 50 state Governors and the majority in 27 of 50 state legislatures. It has also only been 2 Presidential elections since there was a Republican President. Nationwide, the Repubs have more politicians in office than Dems. That doesn’t sound like losing to me.
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The truth can be repeated 1,000,000 times but some people want to run with their own set of beliefs.
 
zz912 said:
Excuse # 8.

EXCUSES FOR VOTING FOR PRO-ABORTION POLITICIANS
  1. National Republicans aren’t “really” pro-life, so it’s okay if I vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
  2. Specific candidate isn’t “really” pro-life, or I don’t believe his supposed change of belief, so it’s okay if I vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
  3. My deacon/priest/bishop/cardinal told me or wrote me a letter telling me it was okay to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  4. I’m not a one-issue voter, so I can ignore the Church’s teaching and vote for the virulently pro-abortion politician.
  5. Republicans (at any level) have not passed enough pro-life laws (as decided by me), so I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  6. Republicans (at any level) have not had enough success on pro-life issues (as decided by me), so I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  7. Roe vs. Wade is still the law of the land even though most Supreme Court justices were appointed by the Republicans, therefore Republicans aren’t serious about abortion, so I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  8. I found a Church document that mentioned proportionate reasons in voting, so I personally judged support for a higher minimum wage (or other social justice cause) was on equal footing with abortion, and I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  9. I personally believe that Democratic policies will reduce abortions, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  10. We can’t do anything about abortion until we change the hearts and minds of the people, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  11. You can’t legislate morality, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  12. People will still have abortions even if you make them illegal, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  13. We can’t end abortion until we address the root causes, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  14. I can’t impose my beliefs on other people, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  15. There isn’t any difference between the parties, so it is okay for me to vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
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That’s a good list. I would remember how a long time Democrat constituency, in fact, their militia arm was the Ku Klux Klan who would claim to be Christian as well. It reminds me of the old adage, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
 
Lapey said:
If Catholic & Democrat voters would understand and follow the teachings of the Church there would be almost no Democrats in office.
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True, but most voters don’t, do they? So, how do you get those voters to your side?
 
Dawnia said:
I find this statement hilarious. The Republicans hold the majority of the House, almost 1/2 of the Senate, 30 of 50 state Governors and the majority in 27 of 50 state legislatures. It has also only been 2 Presidential elections since there was a Republican President. Nationwide, the Repubs have more politicians in office than Dems. That doesn’t sound like losing to me.
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For the House of Representatives, the Democrats actually got more votes than the Republicans in 2012 (48.8% to 48.5%), but lost the House due to fairly significant gerrymandering.

The Republicans have won the popular vote for the Presidential election once in the last six elections.

And consider that not all Republicans are pro-life, so slim majority do no one any favors on life issues when you have a Senator Mark Kirk in your caucus.

I believe that the Republican coalition needs to be expanded. The massive loss of the Hispanic vote in the last two presidential election is disturbing. So, you can look at the glass as half filled, but I am concerned that there are bad trends here and that’ll impact the ability to carry forward life issues on a national level.
 
Crossbones said:
For the House of Representatives, the Democrats actually got more votes than the Republicans in 2012 (48.8% to 48.5%), but lost the House due to fairly significant gerrymandering.
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That’s not due to gerrymandering. It’s due to those Democrats on the populous east and west coast receiving large majorities of votes. The Representative from Montana isn’t gerrymandered, he represents the whole state. And yet his vote totals are going to be dwarfed by a CA Representative who won with 70% or more of the vote.
 
Crossbones said:
For the House of Representatives, the Democrats actually got more votes than the Republicans in 2012 (48.8% to 48.5%), but lost the House due to fairly significant gerrymandering.

The Republicans have won the popular vote for the Presidential election once in the last six elections.

And consider that not all Republicans are pro-life, so slim majority do no one any favors on life issues when you have a Senator Mark Kirk in your caucus.

I believe that the Republican coalition needs to be expanded. The massive loss of the Hispanic vote in the last two presidential election is disturbing. So, you can look at the glass as half filled, but I am concerned that there are bad trends here and that’ll impact the ability to carry forward life issues on a national level.
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Totally irrelevant statistic. It is skewed by the fact Democrats like Carlie Rangel and Nancy Pelosi will get 90% of the vote in their heavily Democrat districts-often running unopposed. If you oppose gerrymandering I assume that also means you oppose majority minority districts?
 
Milasol said:
See I used to be one like that. I hated the republicans so much that I actually considered voting for the democrats. I, however, was pro-life and when I actually compared candidates, at the national and state level, there was no more a question in my mind as to who would get my vote. And it was not the democrats.

Later, after research, I found out how the democratic party is really the engine of the abortion industry. They don’t just legislate pro-abortion but they are in bed with the entire abortion, euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research and a whole host of inhumane agendas.

Never never never… I will not aid that industry. Voting democrat does just that. Even if an individual democrat candidate says he/she is pro-life, (though one has a better chance of seeing a cow fly), the democrat party would vote as a block and it is the party as an entity that supports that entire industry. So never never never…
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Milasol’s posts are so eloquent, such a witness without getting patronizing. We shouldn’t care if we are 1%, voting for what’s right is what is right. The Democrats see the abortion industry as an entitlement practically and fight tooth and nail against anyone who would take one red cent away from its funding. One can’t help but call that evil.

So great strides are in fact being made in places like Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri and so on, in fact, even states such as Michigan, etc. Once you get out of say Detroit and that area, the stats change dramatically.
 
Crossbones said:
You said “Now try to also side with him when it comes to abortion, euthanasia, same sex unions…” I’m sorry, that wasn’t an accusation? That wasn’t an insult? Sure, it wasn’t.

And how exactly am I insulting you? Because I say you are hurting the cause when you are hurting the cause. I like what you believe, but your approach has a lot of room for improvement.
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Yes, you called for us first to side with the Pope on Iraq. I call you to side with him on abortion, etc. That is not an insult.

You accused me of insulting you. I haven’t said anything in a manner you haven’t.

With that aside, I repeat, I vote pro-life regardless of party. If I find out a republican is a pro-choice candidate, I simply don’t vote for them.
 
Crossbones said:
For the House of Representatives, the Democrats actually got more votes than the Republicans in 2012 (48.8% to 48.5%), but lost the House due to fairly significant gerrymandering.

The Republicans have won the popular vote for the Presidential election once in the last six elections.

And consider that not all Republicans are pro-life, so slim majority do no one any favors on life issues when you have a Senator Mark Kirk in your caucus.

I believe that the Republican coalition needs to be expanded. The massive loss of the Hispanic vote in the last two presidential election is disturbing. So, you can look at the glass as half filled, but I am concerned that there are bad trends here and that’ll impact the ability to carry forward life issues on a national level.
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It’s not a half full/half empty thing. It is a fact and a one that likely will hold for the foreseeable future. 🤷 Repubs just are doing better than the Dems. The popular vote means nothing if it doesn’t transfer to wins.

I see things completely different. Republican candidates are having to be more pro-life to get elected at the local level. We need the same type of pressure on the Dems. If, they continue to lose on the local level because of life issues, maybe they will change. (I won’t hold my breath though.)
 
Crossbones said:
For the House of Representatives, the Democrats actually got more votes than the Republicans in 2012 (48.8% to 48.5%), but lost the House due to fairly significant gerrymandering.

The Republicans have won the popular vote for the Presidential election once in the last six elections.

And consider that not all Republicans are pro-life, so slim majority do no one any favors on life issues when you have a Senator Mark Kirk in your caucus.

I believe that the Republican coalition needs to be expanded. The massive loss of the Hispanic vote in the last two presidential election is disturbing. So, you can look at the glass as half filled, but I am concerned that there are bad trends here and that’ll impact the ability to carry forward life issues on a national level.
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Surely you don’t think that the Dems don’t gerrymander?
 
zz912 said:
That’s not due to gerrymandering. It’s due to those Democrats on the populous east and west coast receiving large majorities of votes. The Representative from Montana isn’t gerrymandered, he represents the whole state. And yet his vote totals are going to be dwarfed by a CA Representative who won with 70% or more of the vote.
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Recap:

Evidence one can not vote for a pro-abortion candidate:

Quotes from 3 Popes , 6 Bishops, 1 Cardinal and two encyclicals

Reasons given on why its OK to vote for a pro-abortion candidate:
  1. Republicans are evil
  2. Sara Palin is stupid
  3. Bush started a war
  4. Pro-life voters are dupes
Cites from the Magisterium or Church documents to back up these reason? -0-
 
Is it moral to vote for a democrat when both republican and democrat candidates have equally bad positions on abortion?
 
Catholics can’t vote major parties - period. (<—superficial period here) 🍿

Republican vs Democrat is so incredibly insignificant anymore.
 
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