Can Catholics Vote Democrat?

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And one could equally come to the conclusion that voting for the democrat is appropriate as well and be fully based on Catholic Moral Teaching.
No politician is honest, and it is not like republicans are more trustworthy than democrats. Even Romney claimed to be pro-life when he was clearly not.
I notice you haven’t even addressed my point that a Democrat claiming to be pro-life is about as believable as a member of the Dixiecrat party claiming to not be racist. The party is owned by the abortion lobby.

Speak to the facts, stinkcat.

Ishii
 
I notice you haven’t even addressed my point that a Democrat claiming to be pro-life is about as believable as a member of the Dixiecrat party claiming to not be racist. The party is owned by the abortion lobby.

Speak to the facts, stinkcat.

Ishii
What “facts” are you talking about? We have no facts, just your assertions.
What evidence do you have that republicans are more honest than democrats?
 
What “facts” are you talking about? We have no facts, just your assertions.
What evidence do you have that republicans are more honest than democrats?
There are all sorts of facts which show that the Democrat party is owned by the abortion lobby but apparently you are ignoring them. Perhaps they are inconvenient for you ? You need to read the posts in this thread. Maybe you think that a Democrat who claims to be pro life but empowers Barbara boxer and Nancy Pelosi are authentically pro life. I don’t. Why do you keep bringing the Republican Party into this and refusing to discuss the point I’m making about Democrats? Look, I get that you don’t like Republicans, but it seems like you’re trying to deflect things. Oh well.

Ishii
 
What “facts” are you talking about? We have no facts, just your assertions.
What evidence do you have that republicans are more honest than democrats?
Can we at least agree that the Democratic Party platform is in support of intrinsic evils?

While the Republican Party platform does not?

PS. Once again, I am not a member of either.
 
Can we at least agree that the Democratic Party platform is in support of intrinsic evils?

While the Republican Party platform does not?
I would say that the democrat platform supports an intrinsic evil, the republican platform really for the most part ignores abortion. It certainly does not affirm a right to life as a fundamental value. There are some references to conscience clauses and government funding, but that is about it. So we cannot call the republican party a pro-life party. Now, to be a republican or a democrat does that mean you have to agree with every plank on the platform?
PS. Once again, I am not a member of either.
Neither am I.
 
I would say that the democrat platform supports an intrinsic evil, the republican platform really for the most part ignores abortion. It certainly does not affirm a right to life as a fundamental value. There are some references to conscience clauses and government funding, but that is about it. So we cannot call the republican party a pro-life party. Now, to be a republican or a democrat does that mean you have to agree with every plank on the platform?

Neither am I.
Massachusetts GOP Platform seems to have little mention of life and maybe same-sex marriage as well, I read it last night.

massgop.com/about/massachusetts-republican-party-platform/

But everywhere else, I think respecting the sanctity of life is respected per other State and National Platforms and mentioned in this thread I believe was the Washington State Platform. which was clearly pro-life, pro-traditional marriage.
 
I would say that the democrat platform supports an intrinsic evil, the republican platform really for the most part ignores abortion. It certainly does not affirm a right to life as a fundamental value. There are some references to conscience clauses and government funding, but that is about it. So we cannot call the republican party a pro-life party. Now, to be a republican or a democrat does that mean you have to agree with every plank on the platform?

Neither am I.
The 2012 Republican platform says:
The Sanctity and Dignity of Human Life
Faithful to the “self-evident” truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we
assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental
individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to
the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s
protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or
perform abortion or fund organizations which perform or advocate it and will not fund or
subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage. We support the appointment of
judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life. We
oppose the non-consensual withholding or withdrawal of care or treatment, including
food and water, from people with disabilities, including newborns, as well as the elderly
and infirm, just as we oppose active and passive euthanasia and assisted suicide.
Republican leadership has led the effort to prohibit the barbaric practice of partial-birth
abortion and permitted States to extend health care coverage to children before birth. We
urge Congress to strengthen the Born Alive Infant Protection Act by enacting appropriate
civil and criminal penalties on healthcare providers who fail to provide treatment and
care to an infant who survives an abortion, including early induction delivery where the
death of the infant is intended. We call for legislation to ban sex-selective abortions –
gender discrimination in its most lethal form – and to protect from abortion unborn
children who are capable of feeling pain; and we applaud U.S. House Republicans for
leading the effort to protect the lives of pain-capable unborn children in the District of
Columbia. We call for a ban on the use of body parts from aborted fetuses for research.
We support and applaud adult stem cell research to develop lifesaving therapies, and we
oppose the killing of embryos for their stem cells. We oppose federal funding of
embryonic stem cell research.
We also salute the many States that have passed laws for informed consent, mandatory
waiting periods prior to an abortion, and health-protective clinic regulation. We seek to
protect young girls from exploitation through a parental consent requirement; and we
affirm our moral obligation to assist, rather than penalize, women challenged by an
unplanned pregnancy. We salute those who provide them with counseling and adoption
alternatives and empower them to choose life, and we take comfort in the tremendous
increase in adoptions that has followed Republican legislative initiatives.
lifeissues.org/radio/r2012/09/Party_Platforms_2012.pdf
 
You are right, I missed that part. Although their nominee that year did not agree with that plank of the platform, since he was not pro-life.
You also missed the crux of my question. I didn’t ask if either party supported good, life. I asked if we agreed the the Democratic Party platform supports evil and that the Republican Party does not. Do we agree or not?

Don’t add or take away just answer, yes or no.
 
It’s quite ludicrous to say ALL Democrats or ALL Republicans are good, support evil, or are bad.

Obviously there are good and evil on both sides. What America desperately needs is more than just 2 major parties, perhaps 4 or 5 would be great, perhaps even more. When you limit it to just 2, it’s ALWAYS an US VS THEM mentality, the kind of “you’re with us, or you’re against us” mentality that has ben dividing our nation for the past 14 years.
 
You are right, I missed that part. Although their nominee that year did not agree with that plank of the platform, since he was not pro-life.
Mitt Romney:
I am pro-life and believe that abortion should be limited to only instances of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother.
nationalreview.com/corner/269984/my-pro-life-pledge-mitt-romney

Some pro-lifers have been critical of some of the things Mitt Romney has said and done in regards to the issue of life, but weighing Barack Obama and Mitt Romney up on the issue of abortion, who is the lesser of two evils?

Of course it would of been better if Mitt Romney was 100% pro-life, but some Catholics appear to be holding Republicans up to a higher standard on the abortion issue than they do Democratic candidates or a president? There is some criticism on here if a Republican such as Mitt Romney isn’t 100% pro life, but are Democratic candidates being held to the same standard on the abortion issue?
 
Mitt Romney:

nationalreview.com/corner/269984/my-pro-life-pledge-mitt-romney

Some pro-lifers have been critical of some of the things Mitt Romney has said and done in regards to the issue of life, but weighing Barack Obama and Mitt Romney up on the issue of abortion, who is the lesser of two evils?

Of course it would of been better if Mitt Romney was 100% pro-life, but some Catholics appear to be holding Republicans up to a higher standard on the abortion issue than they do Democrats? There is some criticism on here if a Republican such as Mitt Romney isn’t 100% pro life, but are Democratic candidates being held to the same standard on the abortion issue?
Like I said, Mitt is not pro-life. I said nothing about democrats.
 
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the republican platform really for the most part ignores abortion.  It certainly does not affirm a right to life as a fundamental value.
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Obviously as Abyssinia has pointed out with evidence (which you’re always demanding), the GOP platform does make a commitment to pro-life. Clearly you’re wrong on this - which makes me wonder what else you might be overlooking or be ignorant of. If you easily overlook the pro-life platform of the GOP what else might you be overlooking?

Furthermore, whenever someone brings up the Democrat party you bring up Mitt Romney. It would be nice if you’d speak to the points being made instead of clouding the issues. Whatever the GOP is, the Democrat party is of, by and for legal abortion. There is no getting around that. I would consider the pro-life credentials of any active and supporting member of that party to be suspect. Wouldn’t you?

Ishii
 
It’s quite ludicrous to say ALL Democrats or ALL Republicans are good, support evil, or are bad.

Obviously there are good and evil on both sides. What America desperately needs is more than just 2 major parties, perhaps 4 or 5 would be great, perhaps even more. When you limit it to just 2, it’s ALWAYS an US VS THEM mentality, the kind of “you’re with us, or you’re against us” mentality that has ben dividing our nation for the past 14 years.
Everything you say may very well be true; but the question remains. Can we agree that the Democratic Parrty platform supports intrinsic evil, while the Republican Party platform does not?

Yes or No

Choose one.
 
Obviously as Abyssinia has pointed out with evidence (which you’re always demanding), the GOP platform does make a commitment to pro-life. Clearly you’re wrong on this - which makes me wonder what else you might be overlooking or be ignorant of. If you easily overlook the pro-life platform of the GOP what else might you be overlooking?

Furthermore, whenever someone brings up the Democrat party you bring up Mitt Romney. It would be nice if you’d speak to the points being made instead of clouding the issues. Whatever the GOP is, the Democrat party is of, by and for legal abortion. There is no getting around that. I would consider the pro-life credentials of any active and supporting member of that party to be suspect. Wouldn’t you?

Ishii
I would consider the position of any politician suspect, wouldn’t you?
 
And where does the Church state dislike for one candidate allows one to vote for a candidate who supports unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand, homosexual marriage and forcing nuns to pay for contraception?
I don’t know. Feel free to enlighten me.
 
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