Can Catholics Vote Democrat?

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Not necessarily. Does being a member of a party mean that you agree with every plank in the platform?
If there is a BIG “D” or a BIG “R” behind both the candidate and the party, then yes they are in line with their party’s platform even if they personally disagree with all or part of it. If a person chooses to align itself with those who perpetuate evil then yes they are participating in that evil; no matter which letter is in front of their name.

A true pro-life candidate will not sleep with a platform that is in complete support of abortion.

You never did answer the question, a simple yes or no will suffice.

Does the D party platform support intrinsic evil while the R party platform does not? Agree? Yes or No?
 
If there is a BIG “D” or a BIG “R” behind both the candidate and the party, then yes they are in line with their party’s platform even if they personally disagree with all or part of it. If a person chooses to align itself with those who perpetuate evil then yes they are participating in that evil; no matter which letter is in front of their name.
Romney was not pro-life even though the platform was.
A true pro-life candidate will not sleep with a platform that is in complete support of abortion.
According to whom?
You never did answer the question, a simple yes or no will suffice.
Does the D party platform support intrinsic evil while the R party platform does not? Agree? Yes or No?
I already answered your question.
 
Everything you say may very well be true; but the question remains. Can we agree that the Democratic Parrty platform supports intrinsic evil, while the Republican Party platform does not?

Yes or No

Choose one.
No.

Now I will answer the OP’s question:

Yes Catholics can vote Democrat

Now answer my question: Can we agree that the Republican party has a reputation and stigma of being Anti-Gay, Anti-Woman, Anti-Poor, and Anti-Immigrant.

Yes or No

Choose one.

I choose Yes, which is why I vote Democrat.
 
No.

Now I will answer the OP’s question:

Yes Catholics can vote Democrat

Now answer my question: Can we agree that the Republican party has a reputation and stigma of being Anti-Gay, Anti-Woman, Anti-Poor, and Anti-Immigrant.

Yes or No

Choose one.

I choose Yes, which is why I vote Democrat.
No.But even if it were true per Church teaching it would not be a proportionate reason for a Catholic to vote for a pro abortion celibate.
 
I have been contemplating this issue myself. I have always voted republican. I converted to Catholicism 2 years ago and the more I learn the more I lean towards Democrats views on social justice. I do not think you can vote only on abortion and gay marriage because the republican party does such a bad job on so many other issues. I also believe the republican party is the party of greed and selfishness and it drives so much of their policy.

I would argue the republican party’s position on social justice issues regarding people in poverty, illegal immigrants, refugees, race are all inferior to the democratic party and further from Catholic teaching. Their position on Israel and Gaza for instance is quite disturbing and I think in contradiction to their pro-life position if you include any time post birth.

The other problem with voting based solely on pro-life is that not much actually gets done in this area. I have no confidence that abortion will ever be illegal again. I wish that there would be more focus on the positives of pregnancy and children rather than being so negative and opposite of your opponent. This ties into the social justice issues in the above paragraph.
 
I would consider the position of any politician suspect, wouldn’t you?
Well that’s a point. Still though I think on abortion, judge them by their actions. I find it hard to think someone can say that they are pro-life one day, then the next day stand up and speak out for the re-election of Obama or Pelosi. It doesn’t add up. I know that some republicans may be opportunistic or perhaps “convert” to pro-life in time to run for president. But leave aside the GOP. What truly pro-life person would want to join a party joined at the hip with Planned Parenthood?

Ishii
 
I have been contemplating this issue myself. I have always voted republican. I converted to Catholicism 2 years ago and the more I learn the more I lean towards Democrats views on social justice. I do not think you can vote only on abortion and gay marriage because the republican party does such a bad job on so many other issues. I also believe the republican party is the party of greed and selfishness and it drives so much of their policy.

I would argue the republican party’s position on social justice issues regarding people in poverty, illegal immigrants, refugees, race are all inferior to the democratic party and further from Catholic teaching. Their position on Israel and Gaza for instance is quite disturbing and I think in contradiction to their pro-life position if you include any time post birth.

The other problem with voting based solely on pro-life is that not much actually gets done in this area. I have no confidence that abortion will ever be illegal again. I wish that there would be more focus on the positives of pregnancy and children rather than being so negative and opposite of your opponent. This ties into the social justice issues in the above paragraph.
You do realize the president appoints SUPREME COURT Justices? And a democrat will NEVER appoint ones that support LIFE?

Democrats just want VOTES…I don’t think many of them really care about the poor.
 
I have been contemplating this issue myself. I have always voted republican. I converted to Catholicism 2 years ago and the more I learn the more I lean towards Democrats views on social justice. I do not think you can vote only on abortion and gay marriage because the republican party does such a bad job on so many other issues. I also believe the republican party is the party of greed and selfishness and it drives so much of their policy.

I would argue the republican party’s position on social justice issues regarding people in poverty, illegal immigrants, refugees, race are all inferior to the democratic party and further from Catholic teaching. Their position on Israel and Gaza for instance is quite disturbing and I think in contradiction to their pro-life position if you include any time post birth.

The other problem with voting based solely on pro-life is that not much actually gets done in this area. I have no confidence that abortion will ever be illegal again. I wish that there would be more focus on the positives of pregnancy and children rather than being so negative and opposite of your opponent. This ties into the social justice issues in the above paragraph.
The Church neither endorses of opposes either parties approach to the social issues you list.As has been shown in this thread numerous times none of these issues give a Catholic a proportionate reason to vote for a pro abortion candidate
 
You do realize the president appoints SUPREME COURT Justices? And a democrat will NEVER appoint ones that support LIFE?

Democrats just want VOTES…I don’t think many of them really care about the poor.
Republicans don’t want votes? I would argue democrat policy shows they do care about the poor where as republican policy or lack there of shows they do not.

Of course I realize the President appoints the Supreme Court no need to be condescending. What I would prefer is that people stop giving their votes to Republicans based solely on one or two wedge issues. They know they have your vote no matter what they do as long as they say 2 things. This is a problem and it continues to get worse. You are basically abstaining from the political process outside of those 2 issues by not forcing candidates to deal with more than abortion and gay rights.

It is really a terrible way to affect change because no matter how you vote not much on these issues changes anyway. If republican candidates actually had to do some work to get your vote then they may be forced to care about social justice as well which would benefit everyone. If republicans had the moral side on all issues then we would have more supreme court justices that support life. You would have the middle. Instead you allow the republican leaders to do a terrible job and still get your vote and never grow any closer to making abortion illegal again and certainly don’t make yourself look very godly in the process.
 
The Church neither endorses of opposes either parties approach to the social issues you list.As has been shown in this thread numerous times none of these issues give a Catholic a proportionate reason to vote for a pro abortion candidate
That is your opinion. The Church also does not come out and say who anyone should vote for.

Believe me I am as pro-life as they come. My parents ran a maternity home through my entire childhood. I have never voted for a pro-abortion candidate but I also do not believe that the current way of voting on wedge issues is making any sort of difference. Your argument gives a candidate free reign in every other aspect except Abortion. How is that a good thing?
 
That is your opinion. The Church also does not come out and say who anyone should vote for.

Believe me I am as pro-life as they come. My parents ran a maternity home through my entire childhood. I have never voted for a pro-abortion candidate but I also do not believe that the current way of voting on wedge issues is making any sort of difference. Your argument gives a candidate free reign in every other aspect except Abortion. How is that a good thing?
I have posted direct quotes in this thread 3 Popes, 2 encyclicals,6 bishops,2 cardinals and the catechism showing you can not vote for a pro abortion candidate unless their opponent is more pro abortion than they are. If you have anything from the Church that refutes them please post it.

Note we are not required tho vote for a candidate because they are pro life -we just can’t vote for them if they are not.
 
Republicans don’t want votes? I would argue democrat policy shows they do care about the poor where as republican policy or lack there of shows they do not.

If republicans had the moral side on all issues then we would have more supreme court justices that support life. You would have the middle. Instead you allow the republican leaders to do a terrible job and still get your vote and never grow any closer to making abortion illegal again and certainly don’t make yourself look very godly in the process.
Democrat policy does not show any care for the poor, not for a long time anyway. The last thing any party did for the poor was the Earned Income Credit, and that was Reagan’s. The Dem party is all “middle class” welfare and “pay back the contributors” oriented.

Was “cash for clunkers” good for the poor? No, they couldn’t afford the new cars and the ones they buy and depend on were destroyed, raising the prices of “clunkers”.

Is Obamacare good for the poor? No, it puts another 17 million people (many of whom had insurance) onto an already overburdened Medicaid.

Obama promises to make utility bills “skyrocket” to please his big environmentalist contributors. Does this help the poor? No, it hurts them. They would like to heat their homes, refrigerate their food, be cool on 100 degree days. But no, their bills need to “skyrocket”. In my state, Obama’s war on coal is estimated to cost every household an additional $1400/year. Now, think of what that is for an elderly person whose income from Social Security is $1200/month, or a person on SSI whose income is not quite $700/month.

And, of course, this administration has shifted reimbursement from “chronic care” to “well care” (despite the fact that “preventive care” does not improve outcomes) And who are the “chronic care” people? Well, just about everybody who is disabled is in that category. So patient dumping is going on while all the medical providers advertise and promote “well care”. It’s a lot cheaper to do nothing than it is to do something.

And the easiest of all. When they had an insurmountable control of government, did they help the poorest of the poor…the disabled poor? Oh no. Not a farthing to them other than free abortifacients to limit their numbers. SSI has not changed at all, other than the COLAs that were built into it decades ago. Well, and of course, in order to facilitate the middle class wealth transfer that is Obamacare, we had to put an extra tax on medical devices. Does anyone doubt that the disabled are the big users of medical devices?

Let’s not accept mythology as truth. Neither party does much of anything for the truly poor, and hasn’t, for decades. And in the last six years, the truly poor have taken it on the chin. But they often don’t vote, and certainly don’t contribute to political campaigns, so why should this administration and its party care about them?
 
Especially if their party platform says what they stand for by affiliation. Agree?
The one politician that I know that kind of started this whole “pro-life Democrat” stuff is also a very spiritual Catholic. If one can make assumptions of another based on the party one belongs to, why not consider the faith one holds? I would say the only thing that prevents this is too many put their party before their faith and cannot imagine anyone being different.
 
Everything you say may very well be true; but the question remains. Can we agree that the Democratic Parrty platform supports intrinsic evil, while the Republican Party platform does not?

Yes or No

Choose one.
The first part is true and the answer is “yes”. However, the significance of the platform, since we do not vote for a platform, is debatable.
 
I would say that the democrat platform supports an intrinsic evil, the republican platform really for the most part ignores abortion. It certainly does not affirm a right to life as a fundamental value.
In This post #1559 I (linked) the platforms of both parties along with other key issues and links. Your statement here is not true.

For example (from the GOP platform)

“We, however, affirm the dignity of women by protecting the sanctity of human life. Numerous studies have shown that abortion endangers the health and well-being of women, and we stand firmly against it”

(don’t take my word for it)
gop.com/2012-republican-platform_Renewing/ do a word search on abortion to see the party platform. You’ll see the quote I just gave.

Then do the same word search for the Democrat platform (link provided in post #1559).
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There are some references to conscience clauses and government funding, but that is about it. So we cannot call the republican party a pro-life party.
on my post above, look at the “Mexico city policy” an ABC reference. Follow from Reagan forward. This IS a party platform issue.
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Now, to be a republican or a democrat does that mean you have to agree with every plank on the platform?
If a member does NOT vote with the party platform on key issues they put themselves at odds with the party, and will assuradly give rise to a challenger in the next election that will get party backing. And an office holder while at odds with the party, they won’t get any perks from their party while in office. iow the pressure is huge for an office holder to vote party line on core platform issues.
 
The one politician that I know that kind of started this whole “pro-life Democrat” stuff is also a very spiritual Catholic. If one can make assumptions of another based on the party one belongs to, why not consider the faith one holds? I would say the only thing that prevents this is too many put their party before their faith and cannot imagine anyone being different.
Next time you see this politician ask him/her how he can countenance being a member of a party which does the bidding for Planned Parenthood/abortion lobby and whose leaders overwhelmingly are pro-abortion rights. In light of that, how does he/she think they can advance the pro-life cause within the Democrat party?

Ishii
 
In This post #1559 I (linked) the platforms of both parties along with other key issues and links. Your statement here is not true.

For example (from the GOP platform)

“We, however, affirm the dignity of women by protecting the sanctity of human life. Numerous studies have shown that abortion endangers the health and well-being of women, and we stand firmly against it”

(don’t take my word for it)
gop.com/2012-republican-platform_Renewing/ do a word search on abortion to see the party platform. You’ll see the quote I just gave.

Then do the same word search for the Democrat platform (link provided in post #1559).

on my post above, look at the “Mexico city policy” an ABC reference. Follow from Reagan forward. This IS a party platform issue.

If a member does NOT vote with the party platform on key issues they put themselves at odds with the party, and will assuradly give rise to a challenger in the next election that will get party backing. And an office holder while at odds with the party, they won’t get any perks from their party while in office. iow the pressure is huge for an office holder to vote party line on core platform issues.
I think the platform represents the views of the overwhelming majority of Democrats. If you disagree with key parts of the platform, why would you continue as a member?

Trust me folks, if the Democrat party today put in its platform: “We affirm the rights of white people above all other races” you would see a mass exodus. Who would want to be associated with a racist party? But with abortion its all nuance and mental gymnastics and rationalizing. I guess some people are fine with being a part of the party which affirms abortion rights. Sad to see Catholics here take that view.

Ishii
 
The old saw"The road to hell is paved with good intentions",IMO ,applies to the Democratic Party as it exists today.Since I can’t know the true intentions of the party’s many ruinous policies,I will give those involved the benefit of the doubt.For instance,LBJ with his Great Society,has done more to harm the black family than to help it. That most likely easn’t his intent.Welfare,in it’s inception was designed to be a safety net meant for those in financial duress,look at it now,it has become a lifestyle passed on from generation to generation.
Big government,expanded entitlement programs,abortion on demand,sex,sex and more sex for all are now the cornerstones of the party.So,taking all that into consideration,I really don’t see how the Dems have anything good to offer anyone one ,much less a Catholic!
Well said! Their Intentions are beautiful, but the result is the opposite. Turning people into victims of liberal behaviors is big business, and it gets illogical people to vote for more. Couple the promotions of materialism and casual sex to get people to have less kids with our President who said he didn’t want his unmarried daughters to be “punished with a baby,” and it should be easy to see that the elites want to reduce poverty through promotion of unromantic sex, free birth control, and abortion, free birth control. What part of this popular culture is authentically Christian?
 
I think the platform represents the views of the overwhelming majority of Democrats. If you disagree with key parts of the platform, why would you continue as a member?

Trust me folks, if the Democrat party today put in its platform: “We affirm the rights of white people above all other races” you would see a mass exodus. Who would want to be associated with a racist party? But with abortion its all nuance and mental gymnastics and rationalizing. I guess some people are fine with being a part of the party which affirms abortion rights. Sad to see Catholics here take that view.

Ishii
Why did Romney stay in the Republican Party when he disagreed with the platform?
 
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