Can Catholics vote for Obama?

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Searched for previous threads on the subject, and I couldn’t find any.

It is my conclusion that Catholics cannot in good conscience vote for Obama, because he is pro-choice and advocating things contrary to the Christian faith. I read the writings of many bishops and priests, which say that Catholics can’t vote for Obama, however there does not seem to be any authoritative document on the subject. What is the USCCB’s position on Obama? I have Googled ‘USCCB and voting Obama’, but it yielded no results.

No wonder so many Catholics are confused. What should American Catholics be doing?
 
What we decie to do as individuals is up to us–the bishops will only give giudelines.

Even if I agreed witb Obama kn every other issue, I would not vote for him because of his huge suuport for abortikn. I would not have voted for Giulkani either, had he been the niminee.
 
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Searched for previous threads on the subject, and I couldn’t find any.

It is my conclusion that Catholics cannot in good conscience vote for Obama, because he is pro-choice and advocating things contrary to the Christian faith. I read the writings of many bishops and priests, which say that Catholics can’t vote for Obama, however there does not seem to be any authoritative document on the subject. What is the USCCB’s position on Obama? I have Googled ‘USCCB and voting Obama’, but it yielded no results.

No wonder so many Catholics are confused. What should American Catholics be doing?
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If they’re American Catholics eligble to vote, then they have the right to vote as they choose unless the Church is telling them for which candidate they must vote. But I found this from the new introduction to the bishops Faithful Citizenship document:

“It does not offer a voters guide, scorecard of issues or direction on how to vote,” the introduction adds. And states not “to reduce Catholic moral concerns to one or two matters”
 
The introduction goes on to name many matters. Abortion “and other threats to the lives and dignity of others who are vulnerable, sick or unwanted.” Health care, education, social services, marriage, the economy, unemployment, poverty, hunger, the poor, immigration, war and peace.

Here’s a link. I meant to include it in my earlier post.

catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1103920.htm

So for Catholics who don’t reduce matters to 1 or 2 issues, I suppose there are some who would hold the view Obama is worse. And others who would hold the view his opponent would be even worse. And they all vote accordingly.
 
  1. Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.
[N.B. A Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of the candidate’s permissive stand on abortion and/or euthanasia. When a Catholic does not share a candidate’s stand in favour of abortion and/or euthanasia, but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation, which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons.

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger
Prefect, Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

So the now Pope Benedict says if you vote for a candidate who supports abortion e.g. Obama, unless there are proportionate reasons, even if you oppose abortion, you are cooperating in evil.

Now if war and the death penalty aren’t proportionate reasons then how can one vote for Obama. Do any of the other candidates support Euthanasia, genocide etc.

To any Catholic who thinks it’s fine to vote for Obama - go to Google images and type in “abortion first trimester” [warning graphic images] and then tell me it’s okay to vote for him.

Cardinal Levada now head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is on the record as stating that the Church teaching on Abortion (Pope John Paul II’s Evangelium Vitae cross references the section from Vatican II on infallibility) is infallible.
 
Pope John Paul II , “…the common outcry, which is justly made on behalf of human rights — for example, the right to health, to home, to work, to family, to culture — is false and illusory if the right to life…is not defended with maximum determination…The human being is entitled to such rights, in every phase of development from conception until natural death; and in every condition, whether healthy or sick, whole or handicapped, rich or poor (Christifideles Laici #38).

In 2008 Bishop Thomas Wenski from the Diocese of Orlando wrote “But the Democratic standard bearers — in reaction to the Sarah Palin nomination — are seemingly intent on making this election a referendum on defending abortion “rights”. If they do, a Catholic with a well formed conscience would be hard pressed to find any “serious” and “grave” reasons to justify voting for them.”

Bishop Vasa stated in 2008: “When we were working on the document ‘Faithful Citizenship’, and the issue of whether or not a person’s adamant pro-abortion position was a disqualifying condition, the general sense was ‘yes that is a disqualifying condition’.”

“The conditions under which an individual may be able to vote for a pro-abortion candidate would apply only if all the candidates are equally pro-abortion.”
 
Simply put, big brother (the federal government) has a stranglehold on all churches as regards their tax-exempt status. If the Church makes a peep regarding candidates or political parties, the IRS tax hammer comes down. More Church-based social services close, and more Church employees lose their jobs, as the money now goes to pay a tax penalty. Shallow thinkers who keep harping on the lie of the “separation of Church and state” seem to be oblivious to the IRS-enforced separation that already exists.

The USCCB, by virtue of the teaching authority and responsibility within its members, has been remiss in its duty to inform the laity on the moral teachings of the faith. Thus, we see such nebulous, morally relativistic pap as the above mentioned announcement being issued from their office. Nothing trumps innocent human life in the womb. Nothing.

How ANYONE can stack do-good, bleeding heart, feel good social programs on one side of the scale to balance out the bleeding infant corpses on the other is far beyond me. But, after all, it’s just a “choice”, isn’t it?

Get informed on the five non-negotiable stands of the Church. An informative guide is available right here at CAF.
 
Canto said:
Pope John Paul II , “…the common outcry, which is justly made on behalf of human rights — for example, the right to health, to home, to work, to family, to culture — is false and illusory if the right to life…is not defended with maximum determination…The human being is entitled to such rights, in every phase of development from conception until natural death; and in every condition, whether healthy or sick, whole or handicapped, rich or poor (Christifideles Laici #38).

In 2008 Bishop Thomas Wenski from the Diocese of Orlando wrote “But the Democratic standard bearers — in reaction to the Sarah Palin nomination — are seemingly intent on making this election a referendum on defending abortion “rights”. If they do, a Catholic with a well formed conscience would be hard pressed to find any “serious” and “grave” reasons to justify voting for them.”

Bishop Vasa stated in 2008: “When we were working on the document ‘Faithful Citizenship’, and the issue of whether or not a person’s adamant pro-abortion position was a disqualifying condition, the general sense was ‘yes that is a disqualifying condition’.”

“The conditions under which an individual may be able to vote for a pro-abortion candidate would apply only if all the candidates are equally pro-abortion.”
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Just don’t expect a Dyed in the wool bleeDing-heart liberal to believe a worD of this. After all, Pope John Paul II is gone, and those “right wing” Bishops are not their Ordinary anyway. When voting, the gooD liberal pulls the “feel gooD” lever. We get both war and abortion.

The blooD flows.
 
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