Can gays be catholic?

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Kempis’ wisdom, paraphrased, is to teach once or twice and then stop trying and just pray for them. You will not win out against someone who says what Teen wants to hear. Look - neither NewUlm nor the protestant after him posted any justification based on Church teaching. Yet, Teen immediately tends to agree with them nonetheless.
 
Exalt said:
Why would we want to?

You tell us our lives are filled with sin, that there’s something wrong with us mentally, and that we should be celibate and not dissent.

We’re not allowed to kiss other men (or other women). We’re not allowed to go on dates with another man or another woman. We’re not allowed to hold hands in a romantic way or share a bed together with another man or another woman. We’re not allowed to adopt children as a couple. We’re allowed to be discriminated against in all different walks of life - in the secular world, even if they’re not catholic as the current Pope clearly stated in this document. (Well, romantic hand holding and kissing isn’t not officially against church teaching, but a good Catholic should never do those things with someone of the same sex) And even if we fully believe all of this and don’t engage in it, we’re not allowed to enter the seminary because they’re afraid we might molest children.

Ha.

It’s kinda like a black man wanting to join the KKK today, or a Jew wanting to join a neo-nazi group.

Gay people people shouldn’t be Catholic. And if they are, I think they’re supporting an institution that oppresses them.
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If telling people to refrain from sin is a form of oppression, then I guess the Catholic Church is an oppresive institution. At least it oppresses all us sinners equally!
 
Why be Catholic? Because of the Real Presence. Because the Holy Spirit guarantees that the Church’s teachings are not in error. Because it brings you closer to God.

In answer to Teen4Christ’s original question, yes, gays can be Catholic. It is true that the Church teaches that homosexual activity is a sin, and it is true that unmarried people should not engage in sexual activity. But Christ is about much more than sexuality.

The Good News is just that - good news. And it would be tragic to lose it. One of the surprises I had when I first started hanging out at CAF was the number of people here who want to kick other Catholics out of the Church. I don’t think it is very Christian of them.

Yes, gays can be Catholic. They should bear in mind the Church’s teachings and not be content with ignoring it. But it is far better that they stay with the Church then to let one sin force them away.
 
Teen4Christ,
I just had more thoughts. You may do well to read the lives of some saints like St. Augustine and St. Francis. Perhaps you could seek out a spiritual advisor. Call a parish rectory near you and they can help you find someone to talk to.👍
 
Teen4Christ,

As someone who knows exactly what it is like to deal with same-sex attraction, something I didn’t ask for or choose, I’d like to offer some advice.

Imagine God, this very moment, is asking you to live a life of celibacy. Sometimes when we hear the word “celibacy” it makes us kind of shiver and think, “You gotta be kidding me.” That’s a natural human response because sexual desire is a natural human experience. But then we have to remember something: we are created beings. You are not an accident. Your sexuality is not some gross mistake. God does not love part of you or most of you, He loves every single cell of you. God does not look past your sexual orientation when he loves you.

If the God that created you, that knows you, that loves you beyond comprehension asked you to be celibate, do you think that maybe, just maybe, it could be because He knows exactly what will lead you to joy?

Have you ever thought that the celibacy God asks of you may become the greatest gift you have ever received? Have you ever imagined God asking you to be celibate with a wonderful, knowing smile on His face?

Imagine for a minute that God wants you pure because He wants you all to Himself. God wants your heart to belong to no one but Him. I have offered God my heart, my soul, my mind, and my body. Do you know how special it is to offer God the very body he created? Is it always easy? No, because it wasn’t meant to be. Being married isn’t easy. A husband offers his entire self to his wife. A wife offers her entire self to her husband. I offer my entire self, **including my body **to Jesus. Do you realize that you have an opportunity to experience a relationship with Jesus Christ that married people cannot? Do you realize that you have an opportunity to love Jesus with complete abandonment? I am His and only His. I will not ruin that with sex. My body is for no man. My body is for God alone. It’s a beautiful thing.

Pray about that because Jesus Christ is offering you a very special life. You have an opportunity many people do not. God wants you to take it, and so do I.

I’ll be praying for you. BTW, I actually know a priest in your area who is fantastic. PM me if you are interested. God bless you!

Peace!
 
Kolbe300 said:
Teen4Christ,

As someone who knows exactly what it is like to deal with same-sex attraction, something I didn’t ask for or choose, I’d like to offer some advice.

Imagine God, this very moment, is asking you to live a life of celibacy. Sometimes when we hear the word “celibacy” it makes us kind of shiver and think, “You gotta be kidding me.” That’s a natural human response because sexual desire is a natural human experience. But then we have to remember something: we are created beings. You are not an accident. Your sexuality is not some gross mistake. God does not love part of you or most of you, He loves every single cell of you. God does not look past your sexual orientation when he loves you.

If the God that created you, that knows you, that loves you beyond comprehension asked you to be celibate, do you think that maybe, just maybe, it could be because He knows exactly what will lead you to joy?

Have you ever thought that the celibacy God asks of you may become the greatest gift you have ever received? Have you ever imagined God asking you to be celibate with a wonderful, knowing smile on His face?

Imagine for a minute that God wants you pure because He wants you all to Himself. God wants your heart to belong to no one but Him. I have offered God my heart, my soul, my mind, and my body. Do you know how special it is to offer God the very body he created? Is it always easy? No, because it wasn’t meant to be. Being married isn’t easy. A husband offers his entire self to his wife. A wife offers her entire self to her husband. I offer my entire self, **including my body **to Jesus. Do you realize that you have an opportunity to experience a relationship with Jesus Christ that married people cannot? Do you realize that you have an opportunity to love Jesus with complete abandonment? I am His and only His. I will not ruin that with sex. My body is for no man. My body is for God alone. It’s a beautiful thing.

Pray about that because Jesus Christ is offering you a very special life. You have an opportunity many people do not. God wants you to take it, and so do I.

I’ll be praying for you. BTW, I actually know a priest in your area who is fantastic. PM me if you are interested. God bless you!

Peace!
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I really found your post to be quite moving, Kolbe…hopefully, Teen4Christ thought so too…I am glad you shared this!
 
Exalt said:
I didn’t realize, but all the better.
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It says alot about you that you are proud of encouraging a child to commit to a homosexual lifestyle and leave his church.

It kinda reminds me of the 40 & 50 year old homosexuals who used to hit on me as a 12 year old child in the park.:mad:
 
lukewarm said:
People trip over homosexuality and I do believe it’s sinful just like all fornication is. However it seems like many Catholics are a lot less concerned with the fact that thier children are largely sexually active before marriage. It’s no different, it’s still a sin, but for some reason I think most Catholics just think it’s acceptable or innevitable, but homosexuality will damn the person.

Frankly I think the vast majority of us are getting the hot foot and Jim and Jack will get the same punishment as Jack and Jane for out of wedlock fornication.

I went to a Catholic school I didn’t know one person who abstained from sexual activity, it’s just not much of a reality today.
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Are you shure of this?
[1867](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/1867.htm’)😉 The catechetical tradition also recalls that there are “sins that cry to heaven”: the blood of Abel,139 the sin of the Sodomites,140 the cry of the people oppressed in Egypt,141 the cry of the foreigner, the widow, and the orphan,142 injustice to the wage earner.143
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vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c1a8.htm#1867

Are these sins more serious than other Moral sins?, I do not know, but it is something to consider.
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
Of course they can. Catholic means universal, and their “sin” in some people’s eyes (I do not believe it is, it is just the who they are) is no worse than other sins everyone else does. They are just normal, regular people.
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I don’t know how to convince you, I will post some quotes from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
1854 Sins are rightly evaluated according to their gravity. The distinction between mortal and venial sin, already evident in Scripture,129 became part of the tradition of the Church. It is corroborated by human experience.
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[1861](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/1861.htm’)😉 Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God’s forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ’s kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back. However, although we can judge that an act is in itself a grave offense, we must entrust judgment of persons to the justice and mercy of God.
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2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
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2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
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1867 The catechetical tradition also recalls that there are “sins that cry to heaven”: the blood of Abel,139 the sin of the Sodomites,140 the cry of the people oppressed in Egypt,141 the cry of the foreigner, the widow, and the orphan,142 injustice to the wage earner.143
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Peace,
 
iamrefreshed said:
This poster has done this numerous times and has had all his questions answered again and again. Unfortunately, he does not like the answers he is given hence the new threads.

Maybe someone will get through one day but I fear that, with all the pro-homosexuality posted by people claiming to be catholic, he will eventually hear what he wishes.

To the person who tries to convince Teen that homosexuality is OK, I remind you of the millstone, your neck and the sea.
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My Memory is going. But, I thought that Teen said he was Protestant when he first posted here.
 
Perhaps the subject line should be changed to “can sinners be Catholics”. ? I hope so becuase if not the Church would have only two members.
 
lizaanne said:
I found this - hope this is helpful to you:

catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0101bite.asp
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That link displays decietful information and is terriblly misleading.

It misrepresents the APA’s stance on homosexuality, the cited 880 people study was heavily biased and flawed (the psycologists involved did not provide all of the data and did not differentiate between homosexuals and bisexuals). Even when looking at the “results” of that study, Dr Nicolosi is virtually saying that there is nearly a 100% failure rate in cureing homosexuality (there were “improvements” but no actual “cures”, they still need therapy).

He does not mention that repartive therapy is a dangerous and potentially life threatening form of therapy, it is not recomended or approved by the APA (or any psycological organisation in the west) and that further research is needed to determine its effectivness and safeness.

It is also misleading about Dr. Robert Spitzer’s opinion about the issue.

I would no recomend using this link to help anyone.
catholic.com/thisrock/1994/9407fea1sb2.asp
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I dont know a whole lot about courage, they seem to be more about practicing celebacy. But they believe that people can change their sexual orientation (only if they want to). I suspect that they may use repartive therapy to do this.

They could be a place to go if you feel that you need help with keeping with cathloic teachings.
 
Teen4Christ said:
I was non-denominational but I reconverted
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The “teen” in your name is almost unnecessary 😉

Seriously, believe the teachings of the Church and resolve to stop committing particular sins. Pray for the strength to do so. It’s the best you can do, and it’s what the Church expects of you.
 
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