Can God make a weight that he cannot lift?

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You entirely missed my point. An X that necessarily “cannot be lifted” is not a weight. so we aren’t asking God to “lift” anything.
… my dear friend ,

… you missed my point too i think , i’m giving an answwr that covers all such q’s and pointing out what we’re really talking about is laws and rules or there equivelancies , my answer covers all such scenarios even those in other unkown worlds be they potential or real , and not just our world with the laws of physics for instance , and i explain god is always omnipotent even if he does not fully exercise or partially exercises said omnipotency , but you make a great observation for sure , but what if it’s a very small rock of small weigt and not infinite ??? my answer covers all possible scenarios with these types of q’s dear friend ,think about it ,

… may god bless and love you 👍🙂 ,

… john …
 
Weight of matter is relative…what is 100lbs in one environment could be 10lbs in another. Therefore, the only constant in the proposed problem is God. But God is infinite.

The problem can be seen in multiplying infinity times 100. A person cannot say that the result is greater than infinity.

I would say this seems to be an ‘argument of the beard’, which is a logical fallacy. It is assumed that two ends of the spectrum are the same since one can travel along it in small steps. In this case, the one end of the spectrum is matter, and the small steps are increasing the weight of the matter, and at the other end of the spectrum is God, who created matter, but is nothing like matter. It implies that God functions and exists as matter, when He does not. Matter is finite, but God is infinite. The two sides of the spectrum are completely different, rending the argument (posed as a question) illogical and invalid.

Since the question is just nonsense, the best reply would be what the nun said:

Best response I ever heard! 👍
(Why are so many people here failing to read an original post and instead just tripping off standard responses?)

My point had nothing to do with God, infinity, laws, rules or omnipotence. Please, have another look at it. I made a logical point that has nothing to do with God, infinity, laws, rules or omnipotence.

Does anyone here see that? Anyone?
 
Can God make a weight that he cannot lift?
This question contains a mistake that, invariably, no-one notices, not even philosophers.

The mistake is the broken idea that something that cannot be lifted is a weight.
Look everyone. You are all trying to see God as some sort of Samson. But the point is, is that we have not presented a legitimate question to God.

**Like us, God doesn’t know what we mean by a weight that necessarily cannot be lifted! **

Right? Yes.
 
A more profound question might be…

Can God love each and every one of us as he loves himself?

Can God love us more than he loves himself?

Blessings

Eric
 
A more profound question might be…

Can God love each and every one of us as he loves himself?

Can God love us more than he loves himself?

Blessings

Eric
I think I like this line of questioning more. I believe He loves each one of us to an Infinite degree. What a comforting thought.

To the OP,

Yes I can you making your point and have refrained from the discussion in hopes that the post might return to its orginal intent.

God bless.
 
(Why are so many people here failing to read an original post and instead just tripping off standard responses?)
Because the question has been asked and answered so many times one cannot help but repeat an answer that has been given before.
 
Can God make a weight that he cannot lift?
This question contains a mistake that, invariably, no-one notices, not even philosophers.

The mistake is the broken idea that something that cannot be lifted is a weight.
Jesus is God, and was 100% God when he dwelt amoung us.
and he could not lift every Rock. Nor could he do other things too, such as add 2 plust 2 to make 5. All truth belongs to God. He is a God of Truth and not of Chaos. Even the universe has set rules and truths it must follow. Can our universe or even humans be attributed to a god of Chaos???

this arguement is false and is like asking two people “which of you can think of the highest number contest”

in Christ!
 
Because the question has been asked and answered so many times one cannot help but repeat an answer that has been given before.
So you can tell me if there is such a thing as a weight that necessarily cannot be lifted?
 
A more profound question might be…

Can God love each and every one of us as he loves himself?

Can God love us more than he loves himself?

Blessings

Eric
Well start a new post on it. You can hijack my post, as long as you answer it.
 
Jesus is God, and was 100% God when he dwelt amoung us.
and he could not lift every Rock. Nor could he do other things too, such as add 2 plust 2 to make 5. All truth belongs to God. He is a God of Truth and not of Chaos. Even the universe has set rules and truths it must follow. Can our universe or even humans be attributed to a god of Chaos???

this arguement is false and is like asking two people “which of you can think of the highest number contest”

in Christ!
I was hoping you would make a distintion between “something that cannot be lifted is not a weight” and “which of you can think of the highest number”. Otherwise, you are rowing your own boat.
 
I think I like this line of questioning more. I believe He loves each one of us to an Infinite degree. What a comforting thought.

To the OP,

Yes I can you making your point and have refrained from the discussion in hopes that the post might return to its orginal intent.

God bless.
What’s an “infinite” degree? Were you thinking of maybe 100%?

I made my point, you refrained from it, and hoped for something better?
 
The simple answer would be that GOD and Angels or any Spirit are not bind by the physics law.
PHYSICS has nothing to do with it.

There is no weight that necessarily cannot be lifted.

That’s it. It has nothing to do with god or laws or physics.
 
The question is a variation (adding God) of “What happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object?”

In both cases, the question is literally meaningless. You can form the words, but they can’t actually all have the intended meaning at the same time.

If we define the existence of an irresistible force (or an omnipotent God), then we have just defined out of existence anything that cannot be moved by that force or God. “Immovable object” is no longer a possible category in the universe we have defined. That universe can still contain an arbitrarily large/heavy object, but if we are accepting that we have an irresistible force/omnipotent God already, then it/He will be able to move any such object.

Remember, though, it’s just the description “immovable object” that’s logically disallowed. If we are talking about what God can create, He can still create any possible object, as large and heavy as He likes, but He will also (being omnipotent) be able to move it around if He wants.

Conversely, if we start by proposing that there exists (or can exist) in our universe an object that literally cannot be moved, then the same universe cannot contain an irresistible force or an omnipotent God. It can contain an arbitrarily powerful force or God, perhaps even one that could create our postulated immovable object. But since we have defined the object as immovable, there cannot suddenly exist a force or God capable of moving it.

In other words, the answer to “What happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object” is “one of them turns out not to be as advertised.”

Likewise, an omnipotent God can’t suddenly not be omnipotent, as He would be if he created something that He was then unable to affect. But that doesn’t mean there’s any actual object He cannot create (which is usually the point of the question), just that the category “too big for God to lift” is meaningless if we have already postulated an omnipotent God.

The existence of questions like these is a matter of thinking that any sentence we can construct has to have meaning, even though two terms in the sentence have definitions that cannot both be true.

Usagi
How would YOU define an irresistible force? Surely, there is no definition.
Any weight, by definition, can be moved by force, and any force, by definition, can be resisted.
 
this is a copy of an old post of mine that may answer the questions …

… my dear friend ,

… i don’t have time to show resolutions to all atheistic arguments as they are plenty , but i’ll offer you the resolve of one that has dogged man and the church for millenia and never been answered by any satisfactorily that may help with your work, i’ll quote the argument first then give the answer ,

Problems With Divine Omnipotence

Omnipotence is a part of the concept of deity; God, if he exists, is omnipotent. It is sometimes argued, however, that the concept of omnipotence is paradoxical, logically incoherent, and so that it is logically impossible that there be any being that is omnipotent. This position, if it can be sustained, precludes the existence of God.

The argument that the concept of omnipotence is paradoxical is best introduced by presenting the theist with a dilemma. Any one of a variety of questions—e.g. “Can God create a rock so heavy that he cannot lift it?” or “Can God create a law that binds himself?”—might be posed in order to introduce this dilemma.
For each of these questions, God, if he exists, will either be capable or incapable of performing the feat described. The atheistic argument is that either alternative forces the conclusion that God is not omnipotent. The argument, constructed using the first of the questions above, therefore has the following structure:
The Paradox of Omnipotence

(1) God either can or cannot create a rock that is so heavy that he cannot lift it.
(2) If God can create a rock that is so heavy that he cannot lift it, then God is not omnipotent.
(3) If God cannot create a rock that is so heavy that he cannot lift it, then God is not omnipotent.
Therefore:
(4) God is not omnipotent.
(5) If God exists then he is omnipotent.
Therefore:
(6) God does not exist.
The controversial premises of this argument are the second and the third. Proponents of the argument defend these premises in the following way. If God can create a rock that is so heavy that he cannot lift it, then there is something that he cannot do, namely lift the rock in question. If God cannot create a rock that is so heavy that he cannot lift it, then there is something that he cannot do, namely create such a rock. Either way, then, there is something that God cannot do, and if there is something that he cannot do then he cannot be omnipotent.
One response the paradox of omnipotence is to attempt to dissolve the problem. GB Keene argued that statements such as “God cannot create a stone so heavy that he cannot lift it”, despite their superficial linguistic structure, affirm rather than deny God’s power.
The most common theistic response to the problem, however, rests on the thought that omnipotence is limited by logical possibility. An omnipotent being, it is suggested, is one that can bring about any logically possible state of affairs. The existence of a rock so heavy that God cannot lift it, though, is arguably a logically impossible state of affairs. God’s inability to create such a rock, it is claimed, therefore does not count against his being omnipotent.

… answer : i’ll give a few examples in answer : take a consecrated communion wafer or host , that is god , and put a little rock on it , and you’ll see that god cannot lift it , but if god performs a miracle he can lift it , sounds funny but true ,

… we see in jesus’ life here he was unable to do things being restricted by the laws of physics , but when he wanted he could do anything miraculously , and not be restricted by the laws of physics , it is not unreasonable to assume jesus could not lift heavy rocks but if he wanted he could perform a miracle and lift the heavy rocks ,

… the ultimate answer to this question is : god can create laws and rules if he wants to , and god can choose to be subject to those laws and rules if he wants to , and no matter what god always remains omnipotent ,

… where all have come unstuck on this problem for millenia is not recognising that it is the laws of physics that govern whether god can lift such a rock or not , and as i say god can choose to be subject to the laws of physics if he wants to or not , and always remains omnipotent no matter what ,

there are other arguments in the same vein like can god create a force so powerful he cannot resist it , the answer is of course he can , as said : the ultimate answer to this question is : god can create laws and rules if he wants to , and god can choose to be subject to those laws and rules if he wants to , and no matter what god always remains omnipotent ,

… hope i’ve been helpful dear friend , good luck too ,

… god bless and love you 👍🙂 ,

… john …

The combined affect of you not using capital letters, unorganised text, and offering an old post, made my reading of it impossible.
 
Now THAT is an interesting quesiton. If I were God (I hope it’s not sacrilege to play pretend 🙂 ) I would put Satan under a rock so heavy not even I could lift it. That would make darn sure he couldn’t lift it to escape. 🙂
Let me ask you this. How is it that something that cannot be lifted is a “weight”?

Unless you can answer that, then the question doesn’t make sense. Thus, there is no question.
 
… my dear friend ,

… you missed my point too i think , i’m giving an answwr that covers all such q’s and pointing out what we’re really talking about is laws and rules or there equivelancies , my answer covers all such scenarios even those in other unkown worlds be they potential or real , and not just our world with the laws of physics for instance , and i explain god is always omnipotent even if he does not fully exercise or partially exercises said omnipotency , but you make a great observation for sure , but what if it’s a very small rock of small weigt and not infinite ??? my answer covers all possible scenarios with these types of q’s dear friend ,think about it ,

… may god bless and love you 👍🙂 ,

… john …
Is there a weight that cannot be lifted? Grammatically, a weight, by definition, can be lifted.

So it has nothing to do with God, omnipotence …etc. It’s just about grammar.
 
No my friend you are mistaken. I will be praying for you.

Why would I want to be educated in the occult to better understand my One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Faith? This sounds something akin to something from the gates of Hell themselves.

Thanks be to God that nothing will triumph over the Catholic Church. Sorry no matter what is done, no matter how badly we are persecuted, nothing, I repeat, NOTHING will overcome the Catholic Church not even the gates of Hell. I would rather be on the winning side [not to mention on God’s side].

God bless.
 
PHYSICS has nothing to do with it.

There is no weight that necessarily cannot be lifted.

That’s it. It has nothing to do with god or laws or physics.
How can that be !!!, here is a question for you:

Are spirits bound by our own physics law (can you through a rock on a spirit and hurt it)?

GOD is the only one who can bind spirits to the physics law, for example, when He creates us, our spirits are bound to our fleshes, and when JESUS took His flesh body He became subject to physics law such as gravity, pain, etc, and when JESUS forced the bad spirits into the pigs then drowned into the sea.
 
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